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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:16:05 PM EDT
Stumbled in to this.
I think its supposed to be about the defense of Nanking in 1937. Lotta Sten Mk5s, M3 grease guns, that weren't around for another 6 or 7 years. Japanese soldiers all have flags on their rifles (which look wrong, maybe Gew98s). Best part is subtitles reads "Sun of Beach" multiple times.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:29:46 PM EDT
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Easy to get away with stuff when you can jail critics.
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:31:35 PM EDT
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Michael Bay....
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:33:56 PM EDT
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Are you saying they didn't have plastic chinstrap buckles?
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:35:27 PM EDT
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I want to know how the soldiers on both sides stay so clean even during the battle.
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:36:27 PM EDT
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Plastic clasp chin strap at 31 seconds.
Super authentication comrade's!! |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:39:51 PM EDT
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They can make good ones when they put their minds to it.
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:41:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you saying they didn't have plastic chinstrap buckles? |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:43:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They can make good ones when they put their minds to it.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VG1DrvN4rESaving Private Chang 
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:43:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plastic clasp chin strap at 31 seconds. Super authentication comrade's!! Who's to say they weren't making substandard sh*t in the '30s.
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:44:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you saying they didn't have plastic chinstrap buckles?  |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:45:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also saw that Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are you saying they didn't have plastic chinstrap buckles? I mean, I still thought the STENs and Greaseguns were funnier, basically all the Chinese seemed to have an SMG. I assume it was standard Japanese practice to line up all of your mortars, in broad view of the enemy, side by side too. |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:45:30 PM EDT
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At least it’s an acknowledgment the Guomindang forces did something other than run away or surrender. That’s a surprisingly substantial evolution.
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:50:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They can make good ones when they put their minds to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VG1DrvN4rEDid you see City of Life and Death? |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:51:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At least it's an acknowledgment the Guomindang forces did something other than run away or surrender. That's a surprisingly substantial evolution. The really hilarious subtitles are only on it if you watch it at youtube, not here. I missed "merde" the first time. |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:55:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: . Did you see City of Life and Death? Yes, another good one.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:55:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They had kick ass gymnast moves with the worlds lightest dynamite apparently too. The really hilarious subtitles are only on it if you watch it at youtube, not here. I missed "merde" the first time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: At least it's an acknowledgment the Guomindang forces did something other than run away or surrender. That's a surprisingly substantial evolution. The really hilarious subtitles are only on it if you watch it at youtube, not here. I missed "merde" the first time. Cheesy to be sure, but interesting from a political perspective considering how the subject was treated in the past. |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:55:52 PM EDT
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So the chinese used nazi/german helmets.........interesting, didn't know that, they were copying way back in the day.
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:56:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you saying they didn't have plastic chinstrap buckles? Maybe on those M42 stahlhelm....they would've been using the beaded edge M35 in '37. |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:57:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: . Did you see City of Life and Death? Yes, another good one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q90R13aMwbAI like it as well, I can’t make up my mind if I would prefer color over B/W tho |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:58:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Saving Private Chang |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:58:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the chinese used nazi/german helmets.........interesting, didn't know that, they were copying way back in the day. They did, but the vid shows a later model. They got the decals right at least. Chinese also had contracts for Kar98k rifles. |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 5:00:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the chinese used nazi/german helmets.........interesting, didn't know that, they were copying way back in the day. Manufactured in Germany. http://www.chinaww2.com/2014/11/07/a-helmet-for-the-chinese-ii/?fdx_switcher=true |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 5:02:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At least it's an acknowledgment the Guomindang forces did something other than run away or surrender. That's a surprisingly substantial evolution. That Communist Chinese Bruce Willis movie was also about the heroic Nationalist Air Force vs. Japanese. The good guys' fighters even prominently carry the blue sky and sun Guomindang roundel, which the ROCAF still uses. I think the theme being pushed is "what unites us is our desire to kill more Japanese". |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 5:03:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the chinese used nazi/german helmets.........interesting, didn't know that, they were copying way back in the day. The Nationalists had clones of the Gew88 and K98k, Maxim MGs in 8mm, copies of the german stick grenade, you name it.  |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 5:09:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the chinese used nazi/german helmets.........interesting, didn't know that, they were copying way back in the day. Hans von Seeckt (creator of the 100k man Reichswehr) and von Falkenhausen along with other Germans went to China in the '30s to train the KMT army. The goal was to train up to 800,000 men.  I think this is Madame Chang Kai Shek:  Pak 37 
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Posted: 12/17/2020 5:15:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At least it’s an acknowledgment the Guomindang forces did something other than run away or surrender. That’s a surprisingly substantial evolution. Certainly Curious if a Taiwan or Mainland made "Chinese" film... |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 5:17:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That Communist Chinese Bruce Willis movie was also about the heroic Nationalist Air Force vs. Japanese. The good guys' fighters even prominently carry the blue sky and sun Guomindang roundel, which the ROCAF still uses. I think the theme being pushed is "what unites us is our desire to kill more Japanese". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: At least it's an acknowledgment the Guomindang forces did something other than run away or surrender. That's a surprisingly substantial evolution. That Communist Chinese Bruce Willis movie was also about the heroic Nationalist Air Force vs. Japanese. The good guys' fighters even prominently carry the blue sky and sun Guomindang roundel, which the ROCAF still uses. I think the theme being pushed is "what unites us is our desire to kill more Japanese". Agreed, that and a reconciliation with the truth. The CCP winning the Anti-Japanese War narrative was laughable and everyone knew it. |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 5:18:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the chinese used nazi/german helmets.........interesting, didn't know that, they were copying way back in the day. The Germans were Military advisors and suppliers to the Chinese armed forces until Hilter, Mussolini & the Japanese signed the Tripartite Pact in 1940. The Chinese air force even had several He-111s (the early models with the "stepped" cockpits / nose). Chinese Troops had Stalhelms, K-98 Mauser Rifles, Mauser 1896 Pistols, and many German Military Advisors ... |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 5:19:11 PM EDT
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Double tap...
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Posted: 12/17/2020 5:20:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Certainly Curious if a Taiwan or Mainland made "Chinese" film... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: At least it’s an acknowledgment the Guomindang forces did something other than run away or surrender. That’s a surprisingly substantial evolution. Certainly Curious if a Taiwan or Mainland made "Chinese" film... That’s an excellent point, I was thinking PRC but it may be Taiwan |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 5:23:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: Stumbled in to this. I think its supposed to be about the defense of Nanking in 1937. Lotta Sten Mk5s, M3 grease guns, that weren't around for another 6 or 7 years. Japanese soldiers all have flags on their rifles (which look wrong, maybe Gew98s). Best part is subtitles reads "Sun of Beach" multiple times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmzsFQ0oQwMNo, it is "later war". The Allies gave (Lend Lease) lots of .45 Thompsons & M-3 Grease Guns, 9mm Canadian made STENS, 9mm Browning High Powers Pistols & Bren Guns (in 8mm mauser), not to mention .30.06 BARS, M-1917 Enfields & 1919 machineguns along with .30 M-1 Carbines too. The Japanese continued to use their old tanks in China, because the Chinese didn't have any real Anti-tank ability other than suicide bombing. |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 5:23:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want to know how the soldiers on both sides stay so clean even during the battle. I always wondered about that. |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 5:25:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s an excellent point, I was thinking PRC but it may be Taiwan I think it's PRC. It's supposed to be promoting Chinese nationalism and anti-Japanese. |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 5:26:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want to know how the soldiers on both sides stay so clean even during the battle. 0330 Reveille 0345 Hygiene 0415 First formation 0440 Police Call 0450 Chow etc etc |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 5:40:13 PM EDT
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Arfcom linked a really brutal Youtube from a rape of Nanking movie a few months back: the surrendering Chinese soldiers were herded into a building, which was burnt; grenades tossed in. Others were just machineguned - even a young boy.
Sad thing is: it probably happened a lot like the video (which was part of a longer film). |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 6:29:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it is "later war". The Allies gave (Lend Lease) lots of .45 Thompsons & M-3 Grease Guns, 9mm Canadian made STENS, 9mm Browning High Powers Pistols & Bren Guns (in 8mm mauser), not to mention .30.06 BARS, M-1917 Enfields & 1919 machineguns along with .30 M-1 Carbines too. The Japanese continued to use their old tanks in China, because the Chinese didn't have any real Anti-tank ability other than suicide bombing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Stumbled in to this. I think its supposed to be about the defense of Nanking in 1937. Lotta Sten Mk5s, M3 grease guns, that weren't around for another 6 or 7 years. Japanese soldiers all have flags on their rifles (which look wrong, maybe Gew98s). Best part is subtitles reads "Sun of Beach" multiple times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmzsFQ0oQwMNo, it is "later war". The Allies gave (Lend Lease) lots of .45 Thompsons & M-3 Grease Guns, 9mm Canadian made STENS, 9mm Browning High Powers Pistols & Bren Guns (in 8mm mauser), not to mention .30.06 BARS, M-1917 Enfields & 1919 machineguns along with .30 M-1 Carbines too. The Japanese continued to use their old tanks in China, because the Chinese didn't have any real Anti-tank ability other than suicide bombing. |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 6:47:40 PM EDT
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 Chinese Panzers also He 111 bomber and MG34, even few flak 88s, the issue is that the Chinese army only had about a dozen of each type. |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 6:48:48 PM EDT
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Not Chinese.
Taiwanese. No WAY the ChiComs would create such a flattering portrayal of the Nationalists. |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 7:01:41 PM EDT
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  ETA: Before I get banned or timed-out for the slur; that's not me, that's one of the pictures my grandfather sent home from the war in Burma. |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 7:10:10 PM EDT
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 The Worst War Film Ever. |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 7:23:14 PM EDT
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The Chinese army wore stahlhelms with fastex buckles in 1937? Fuck! They are more advanced than I though they were.
I, for one, welcome out Han overlords. |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 7:32:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Arfcom linked a really brutal Youtube from a rape of Nanking movie a few months back: the surrendering Chinese soldiers were herded into a building, which was burnt; grenades tossed in. Others were just machineguned - even a young boy. Sad thing is: it probably happened a lot like the video (which was part of a longer film). Ever watch old Chinese Kung-Fu movies set during the war? The Japanese soldiers are shown beating Chinese babies against rocks and throwing them up in the air and catching them on bayonets. |
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Posted: 12/18/2020 9:48:58 PM EDT
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If they produced a movie accurately portraying how horribly ill-equipped they were, nobody would believe it.
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