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Posted: 5/20/2020 12:46:59 PM EDT
The definitive story of Hermann Göring's special armoured train codenamed 'Asien', its make-up, operation and fate, including lots of archival footage never publicly seen before.  Failed To Load Title The US Mission to Capture Hitler's No. 2  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 12:50:51 PM EDT
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I bet he knew all kinds of things about special trains. And bathhouses.
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Posted: 5/20/2020 12:54:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NOVA1234: I bet he knew all kinds of things about special trains. And bathhouses. US operation to capture Nazi “wonder weapons” is STILL “classified” as of today, and it’s called Operation Paperclip. I bet he knew all the secrets. BTW - one of the jet fighters they were developing - the Horton - has been proven to have stealth capability designed into it (in the 1940s). Wonder what’s still classified ?? |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 1:07:11 PM EDT
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It’s always interesting to see how armored trains were used throughout WWII. The closest relic would be the Peacekeeper Rail Garriaon ICBM that was never put into operation. Gone the way of the battleship.
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Posted: 5/20/2020 1:10:10 PM EDT
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Hope he enjoyed the ride.
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Posted: 5/20/2020 1:11:40 PM EDT
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Smells like watersports, pervitin, and heroin on there i bet.
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Posted: 5/20/2020 1:14:26 PM EDT
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Fat fuck.
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Posted: 5/20/2020 1:15:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crownvic96: Smells like watersports, pervitin, and heroin on there i bet. a bit of meth too. Kharn |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 1:16:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's always interesting to see how armored trains were used throughout WWII. The closest relic would be the Peacekeeper Rail Garriaon ICBM that was never put into operation. Gone the way of the battleship. @krecon1, you need to read up on the Krajina Express and its use during the break up of Yugoslavia. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 1:27:59 PM EDT
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I THINK this is car I saw as a younster .... probably in early 50s. It was on tour in a semi trailer and parked in front of the local library.I think it cost 25 cents to walk through.Somewhere I have a postcard my Mom bought at the time.
https://images.app.goo.gl/LXDMRifypGRd3u5j9 |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 1:32:11 PM EDT
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He had his own canning company for artificial crab meat
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Posted: 5/20/2020 1:36:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 9divdoc: He had his own canning company for artificial crab meat But I bet a lot of touching was required. A lot of it... |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 1:36:47 PM EDT
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Hitler had a pimp train too. Supposedly he used two of the gorgeous streamlined DRB 01.10 class steam express locomotives for his highly publicized trip to conquered Paris. I gather they weren't too reliable, the boilers were made of inferior steel, and the streamlined cladding made maintenance more difficult so he probably used mundane locomotives most of the time.
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Posted: 5/20/2020 1:38:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Hitler had a pimp train too. Supposedly he used two of the gorgeous streamlined DRB 01.10 class steam express locomotives for his highly publicized trip to conquered Paris. I gather they weren't too reliable, the boilers were made of inferior steel, and the streamlined cladding made maintenance more difficult so he probably used mundane locomotives most of the time. https://i.servimg.com/u/f44/15/64/85/54/o1_1010.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c3/c3/42/c3c342cb4dd292827717329156f5b5bd--trens-steam-locomotive.jpg That really is gorgeous. Almost steam-punkish, but drop-dead gorgeous. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 1:40:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: @krecon1, you need to read up on the Krajina Express and its use during the break up of Yugoslavia. I have not heard of that one - I’ll check it out. There were also some efforts by Russia to bring back their rail ICBMs, but seems that program is either on hold or cancelled. Also some limited use of improvised trains in the Donbass region. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 1:41:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SIASL: That really is gorgeous. Almost steam-punkish, but drop-dead gorgeous. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SIASL: Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Hitler had a pimp train too. Supposedly he used two of the gorgeous streamlined DRB 01.10 class steam express locomotives for his highly publicized trip to conquered Paris. I gather they weren't too reliable, the boilers were made of inferior steel, and the streamlined cladding made maintenance more difficult so he probably used mundane locomotives most of the time. https://i.servimg.com/u/f44/15/64/85/54/o1_1010.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c3/c3/42/c3c342cb4dd292827717329156f5b5bd--trens-steam-locomotive.jpg That really is gorgeous. Almost steam-punkish, but drop-dead gorgeous. Nazi's were assholes... but no one can deny that they were not gorgeously designed while being assholes.....planes, trains, uniforms... they were aesthetically pleasing... |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 1:47:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: @krecon1, you need to read up on the Krajina Express and its use during the break up of Yugoslavia. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By krecon1: It's always interesting to see how armored trains were used throughout WWII. The closest relic would be the Peacekeeper Rail Garriaon ICBM that was never put into operation. Gone the way of the battleship. @krecon1, you need to read up on the Krajina Express and its use during the break up of Yugoslavia. Is that the one that had a M18 Hellcat on it? |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 1:48:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: US operation to capture Nazi "wonder weapons" is STILL "classified" as of today, and it's called Operation Paperclip. I bet he knew all the secrets. BTW - one of the jet fighters they were developing - the Horton - has been proven to have stealth capability designed into it (in the 1940s). Wonder what's still classified ?? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I bet he knew all kinds of things about special trains. And bathhouses. US operation to capture Nazi "wonder weapons" is STILL "classified" as of today, and it's called Operation Paperclip. I bet he knew all the secrets. BTW - one of the jet fighters they were developing - the Horton - has been proven to have stealth capability designed into it (in the 1940s). Wonder what's still classified ?? |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 1:50:39 PM EDT
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Is it just me, or is it ironic Hitler's train was code named Amerika?
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Posted: 5/20/2020 1:51:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: US operation to capture Nazi "wonder weapons" is STILL "classified" as of today, and it's called Operation Paperclip. I bet he knew all the secrets. BTW - one of the jet fighters they were developing - the Horton - has been proven to have stealth capability designed into it (in the 1940s). Wonder what's still classified ?? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I bet he knew all kinds of things about special trains. And bathhouses. US operation to capture Nazi "wonder weapons" is STILL "classified" as of today, and it's called Operation Paperclip. I bet he knew all the secrets. BTW - one of the jet fighters they were developing - the Horton - has been proven to have stealth capability designed into it (in the 1940s). Wonder what's still classified ??  
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Posted: 5/20/2020 1:57:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThrustMyStoma: they had a deliverable nuke before we did. Not convinced of that. HOWEVER: their nuke program was a hell of a lot more advanced than we have been lead to believe. - their Norwegian “heavy water” program was advanced when we arranged for Norwegian resistance to sink their boat; - their U boat U-233 or 235 was carrying a lot of refined uranium when it surrendered to the Canadians - an Austrian bunker complex was sealed shut with explosives in 1945, but still shows very high radiation levels. Plus, they test-launched a V-2 rocket at sea in the 1940s after it had been towed behind a U boat underwater. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 2:00:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: US operation to capture Nazi “wonder weapons” is STILL “classified” as of today, and it’s called Operation Paperclip. I bet he knew all the secrets. BTW - one of the jet fighters they were developing - the Horton - has been proven to have stealth capability designed into it (in the 1940s). Wonder what’s still classified ?? Their contact with aliens is still classified. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 2:04:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BENLPN: Nazi's were assholes... but no one can deny that they were not gorgeously designed while being assholes.....planes, trains, uniforms... they were aesthetically pleasing... Yep. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 2:12:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Hitler had a pimp train too. Supposedly he used two of the gorgeous streamlined DRB 01.10 class steam express locomotives for his highly publicized trip to conquered Paris. I gather they weren't too reliable, the boilers were made of inferior steel, and the streamlined cladding made maintenance more difficult so he probably used mundane locomotives most of the time. https://i.servimg.com/u/f44/15/64/85/54/o1_1010.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c3/c3/42/c3c342cb4dd292827717329156f5b5bd--trens-steam-locomotive.jpg He parked one of his armored trains just on the German side of the border ( annexed Czechoslovakia) for the invasion of Poland. That was his ride to the Fuhrer headquarters in the East. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 2:14:40 PM EDT
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There were other special trains (Sonderzüge in German) used by prominent German officials;[6][7]
Ministerzug (Ministers' Train), used by Joachim von Ribbentrop and Heinrich Himmler Sonderzug "Afrika" (also called "Braunschweig"), used by the chief of the Armed Forces High Command (Oberkommando der Wehrmacht (OKW)) Sonderzug "Asien" (also called "Pommern"), used by Hermann Göring Sonderzug "Atlantik" (also called "Auerhahn"), used by the supreme commander of the Navy (Kriegsmarine) Sonderzug "Atlas" (also called "Franken"), a command train used by the Armed Forces Operations Staff (Wehrmachtführungsstabes) Sonderzug "Enzian", a command train used by the chief of the Intelligence branch of the Luftwaffe (Nachrichtenwesens der Luftwaffe) Sonderzug "Ostpreußen" (also called "Sonderzug 4"), used by the Army General Staff (Oberkommando des Heeres (OKH)) Sonderzug "Robinson 1", used by the chief of the Command Staff of the Luftwaffe Sonderzug "Robinson 2", used by the chief of the General Staff of the Luftwaffe Sonderzug "Steiermark" (also called "Heinrich" and "Transport 44"), used by Heinrich Himmler Sonderzug "Westfalen", used by Joachim von Ribbentrop Sonderzug "Württemberg", used by the Army General Staff (Gen. St.d. H. – Generalstabs des Heeres) |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 2:21:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: @krecon1, you need to read up on the Krajina Express and its use during the break up of Yugoslavia. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By krecon1: It's always interesting to see how armored trains were used throughout WWII. The closest relic would be the Peacekeeper Rail Garriaon ICBM that was never put into operation. Gone the way of the battleship. @krecon1, you need to read up on the Krajina Express and its use during the break up of Yugoslavia. Was that the mobile artillery train ? |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 2:25:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThrustMyStoma: they had a deliverable nuke before we did. If they had a deliverable nuke before we did, then how come it wasn't delivered? |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 2:28:59 PM EDT
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They can also divide by zero.
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Posted: 5/20/2020 2:30:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: US operation to capture Nazi “wonder weapons” is STILL “classified” as of today, and it’s called Operation Paperclip. I bet he knew all the secrets. BTW - one of the jet fighters they were developing - the Horton - has been proven to have stealth capability designed into it (in the 1940s). Wonder what’s still classified ?? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: Originally Posted By NOVA1234: I bet he knew all kinds of things about special trains. And bathhouses. US operation to capture Nazi “wonder weapons” is STILL “classified” as of today, and it’s called Operation Paperclip. I bet he knew all the secrets. BTW - one of the jet fighters they were developing - the Horton - has been proven to have stealth capability designed into it (in the 1940s). Wonder what’s still classified ?? Interesting |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 2:30:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that the one that had a M18 Hellcat on it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's always interesting to see how armored trains were used throughout WWII. The closest relic would be the Peacekeeper Rail Garriaon ICBM that was never put into operation. Gone the way of the battleship. @krecon1, you need to read up on the Krajina Express and its use during the break up of Yugoslavia. Is that the one that had a M18 Hellcat on it? |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 2:30:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @krecon1, you need to read up on the Krajina Express and its use during the break up of Yugoslavia.  Manevarska municija - Voz Krajina Ekspres In combat:  Bojni vlak tzv.krajina express , TV Beograd 1991 This comment also led me to a video tour of a disabled armored train at Gradacac:  Chris Tarrant: Extreme Railway Journeys 'ARMOURED TRAIN' |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 2:40:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThrustMyStoma: they had a deliverable nuke before we did. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThrustMyStoma: Originally Posted By Dominion21: Originally Posted By NOVA1234: I bet he knew all kinds of things about special trains. And bathhouses. US operation to capture Nazi "wonder weapons" is STILL "classified" as of today, and it's called Operation Paperclip. I bet he knew all the secrets. BTW - one of the jet fighters they were developing - the Horton - has been proven to have stealth capability designed into it (in the 1940s). Wonder what's still classified ?? You guys just parrot shit like that to tweak the other amateur historians....  It works.. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 2:45:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: US operation to capture Nazi “wonder weapons” is STILL “classified” as of today, and it’s called Operation Paperclip. I bet he knew all the secrets. BTW - one of the jet fighters they were developing - the Horton - has been proven to have stealth capability designed into it (in the 1940s). Wonder what’s still classified ?? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: Originally Posted By NOVA1234: I bet he knew all kinds of things about special trains. And bathhouses. US operation to capture Nazi “wonder weapons” is STILL “classified” as of today, and it’s called Operation Paperclip. I bet he knew all the secrets. BTW - one of the jet fighters they were developing - the Horton - has been proven to have stealth capability designed into it (in the 1940s). Wonder what’s still classified ?? Haunebu II, Die Glocke......2 of the “rumored” advanced aircraft the Germans developed |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 2:50:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn: a bit of meth too. Kharn Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn: Originally Posted By crownvic96: Smells like watersports, pervitin, and heroin on there i bet. a bit of meth too. Kharn Pervitin was meth |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 2:56:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they had a deliverable nuke before we did, then how come it wasn't delivered? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: they had a deliverable nuke before we did. If they had a deliverable nuke before we did, then how come it wasn't delivered? |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 3:02:12 PM EDT
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Nazis made great advances in aerospace, (Missiles, swept wings, concepts), small arms, camoflage, crash helmets, submarines and systems ... a lot of Soviet and US research over the next 15 years stemmed from this work.
Despite the heroic efforts of Norwegian and UK commandos, the Nazi atomic program was shit and never even had a working reactor due to poor design, fire and lack of support. They were never even close to a respectable start; compare the scale and effort it took in the US to deploy three working bombs by summer 1945. Their aircraft designs were super cool (technical term) but were not stealth: https://airandspace.si.edu/collections/horten-ho-229-v3/about/is-it-stealth.cfm No nukes, no secret nukes, no radioactive trains, no moon bases, no Saucer, Glocke, time travel...no Red Skull, no working invocations of Odin... Hitler couldn’t get past bomber Me-262s and bolt action rifles until it was too late. Their actual technical achievements are interesting enough. That’s what happens when you let an uneducated terminal corporal vegetarian run your country while high on meth. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 3:02:26 PM EDT
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My grandfather guarded him at Nuremberg during the pretrial proceedings (they changed the guard at the beginning of the actual public trials). Lots of stories about him, including interactions with Bill Donovan and the like. That guy did a lot of drugs and stole a whole lot of stuff.
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Posted: 5/20/2020 3:22:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lonesome_Dave: If they had a deliverable nuke before we did, then how come it wasn't delivered? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lonesome_Dave: Originally Posted By ThrustMyStoma: they had a deliverable nuke before we did. If they had a deliverable nuke before we did, then how come it wasn't delivered? I have read something large was detonated on the eastern front as the soviets pushed forward but any device from that time would be highly dirty and leave a tell tell signature. The most difficult component of a basic atom bomb is the detonator. We made two bombs each being detonated in a different manner to see which one worked best. The urchin compression system won out in the end. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 3:25:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Hitler had a pimp train too. Supposedly he used two of the gorgeous streamlined DRB 01.10 class steam express locomotives for his highly publicized trip to conquered Paris. I gather they weren't too reliable, the boilers were made of inferior steel, and the streamlined cladding made maintenance more difficult so he probably used mundane locomotives most of the time. https://i.servimg.com/u/f44/15/64/85/54/o1_1010.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c3/c3/42/c3c342cb4dd292827717329156f5b5bd--trens-steam-locomotive.jpg Wow that looks like something a Third Stage Guild Navigator would travel in. Like this: 
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Posted: 5/20/2020 3:31:07 PM EDT
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Tag for later viewing
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Posted: 5/20/2020 4:24:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow that looks like something a Third Stage Guild Navigator would travel in. Like this: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/_2uqu0r4aR3NbSa8fg32vIKsiGTGys5LsBf-BHMdSQezYN9iBIrSXenY54tDURmcBj1RS77AkoLW7Fn6eywJC6pgRtIjt-2YisYfNBClS1R_ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hitler had a pimp train too. Supposedly he used two of the gorgeous streamlined DRB 01.10 class steam express locomotives for his highly publicized trip to conquered Paris. I gather they weren't too reliable, the boilers were made of inferior steel, and the streamlined cladding made maintenance more difficult so he probably used mundane locomotives most of the time. https://i.servimg.com/u/f44/15/64/85/54/o1_1010.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c3/c3/42/c3c342cb4dd292827717329156f5b5bd--trens-steam-locomotive.jpg Wow that looks like something a Third Stage Guild Navigator would travel in. Like this: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/_2uqu0r4aR3NbSa8fg32vIKsiGTGys5LsBf-BHMdSQezYN9iBIrSXenY54tDURmcBj1RS77AkoLW7Fn6eywJC6pgRtIjt-2YisYfNBClS1R_  Attached File Attached File  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 4:39:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: US operation to capture Nazi “wonder weapons” is STILL “classified” as of today, and it’s called Operation Paperclip. I bet he knew all the secrets. BTW - one of the jet fighters they were developing - the Horton - has been proven to have stealth capability designed into it (in the 1940s). Wonder what’s still classified ?? Die Glocke to start. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 7:32:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/20/2020 7:37:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lonesome_Dave: If they had a deliverable nuke before we did, then how come it wasn't delivered? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lonesome_Dave: Originally Posted By ThrustMyStoma: they had a deliverable nuke before we did. If they had a deliverable nuke before we did, then how come it wasn't delivered? Police dispatchers entered in the coordinates for Atlantis instead of America, which is why a lot of stuff is still classified. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 7:46:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lonesome_Dave: If they had a deliverable nuke before we did, then how come it wasn't delivered? They were waiting until things started to look desperate. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 8:10:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a pretty interesting book about all the https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/44277/Screen_Shot_2020-05-20_at_6_31_15_PM_png-1425560.JPG |
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