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Posted: 10/17/2018 8:51:41 PM EDT
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I got a recruitment phone call from Harvard when I was in high school (1400 SAT). The girl on the other end was SHOCKED when I told her that it was not on my list of possible schools and I wasn’t interested. “You don’t want to go to Harvard?!” The arrogance. I had always wanted to go to UT-Austin, which I got an almost entirely free ride to in any case. It is a shitty thing the best schools do. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 8:59:10 PM EDT
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Affirmative Action is legalized descrimination. Making it legal doesn't make it right. The USSC is going to shut it down in coming years and it will be long overdue. Glad I got 1600 back in the day. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:01:05 PM EDT
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Take a look at these graphs and stats. It's quite clear that this is happening across the board even all the way to med school.
OOO pretty graphs Some highlights to piss you off. MCAT of 24-26 and GPA of 3.20 to 3.39 Acceptance rate Asian 5.9% White 8.0% HISPANIC 30.5% BLACK 56.4% MCAT of 30-32 and GPA of 3.60 to 3.79 Acceptance rate Asian 57.5% White 63.0% HISPANIC 83.4% BLACK 93.7% You cannot explain that without race entering the equation. And then by definition... In my school lets just say there were certain groups that got a chance to take summer school and be taught subject matter that would be repeated for the upcoming school year. The fun part of this was other groups of people weren't even offered this chance. The absolute irony was that the courses were taken on a pass/fail basis, and those students seemed to still managed to fail the subjects when it counted. Of course that didn't matter since those groups had different standard on what was considered passing. This is a bit of a problem. Before I had kids I'd say I understand somewhat that we need to give minorities more of a chance. Now?...no, higher education should be about the best, race honestly shouldn't even be on the application. And I'm not even talking about a check box, I'm talking about being a blind application, no names etc. Just scores. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:18:02 PM EDT
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Serious question here.
How does Harvard define race? If I had applied as an African would they have held it against me that I have blue eyes and blond hair? If I checked off the "African", box would they have let me in? Or would they have kicked me out later for being too white? Why did they consider Elizabeth Warren to be a person of color when she's white like me? |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:22:56 PM EDT
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Bad week for Harvard, between this admissions scandal and the Pocahontas farce.
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:24:45 PM EDT
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Ok, Harvard turns into a pure meritocracy. It would be mostly Asian and Jewish. Few legacies either. Besides the loss of billions from alumni, they also lose placing all the top minority kids into industry. Then there is the whailing and gnashing of teeth from half the country that Harvard is racist and non Asian minorities are being locked out of the power factory. If you do not see how that would harm Harvard (or most any school). OK. You disagree. The world is a pretty nuanced place. Good luck. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I cannot help but express extreme dubiety at such a claim. Do you have some sort of evidence to back that up? Besides the loss of billions from alumni, they also lose placing all the top minority kids into industry. Then there is the whailing and gnashing of teeth from half the country that Harvard is racist and non Asian minorities are being locked out of the power factory. If you do not see how that would harm Harvard (or most any school). OK. You disagree. The world is a pretty nuanced place. Good luck. Some fortune 500 company needs to hire some fast tracking young executive. They want some people from minority group X and demographic Y. They know they're going to discriminate against the best qualified. They take the best of a relatively noncompetitive group. To make it easy to assuage their confidence, Harvard reaches down and does some of the same thing. But the SJW people who deligitimize the hiring process didnt realize that the university's already did it. The Harvard diploma is meaningless since the graduate didnt deserve it in the first place If no Ivy league pulled this crap then the best person from demographic X still gets the job, it would just be someone with a degree form State U. Its the same guy...artificially reaching into the ivies for a diploma made no difference at all. In exchange for making the corruption less obvious, a Harvard grad gets the job, and the cash, and funnels it back in as an alumni to Cambridge. As long as he/she/it doesnt become a doctor or someone who kills someone through incompetence, Harvard can pocket the cash and look the other way. Money laundering is a crime. Resume laundering isnt. Its legal and pays better, if your alumni do their part. Doesnt make it right. The universities support the corruption of the SJWs as they get their chunk of the cash. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:29:48 PM EDT
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That would be discrimination. Glad I got 1600 back in the day. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:32:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, at least you're honest about it. Some fortune 500 company needs to hire some fast tracking young executive. They want some people from minority group X and demographic Y. They know they're going to discriminate against the best qualified. They take the best of a relatively noncompetitive group. To make it easy to assuage their confidence, Harvard reaches down and does some of the same thing. But the SJW people who deligitimize the hiring process didnt realize that the university's already did it. The Harvard diploma is meaningless since the graduate didnt deserve it in the first place If no Ivy league pulled this crap then the best person from demographic X still gets the job, it would just be someone with a degree form State U. Its the same guy...artificially reaching into the ivies for a diploma made no difference at all. In exchange for making the corruption less obvious, a Harvard grad gets the job, and the cash, and funnels it back in as an alumni to Cambridge. As long as he/she/it doesnt become a doctor or someone who kills someone through incompetence, Harvard can pocket the cash and look the other way. Money laundering is a crime. Resume laundering isnt. Its legal and pays better, if your alumni do their part. Doesnt make it right. The universities support the corruption of the SJWs as they get their chunk of the cash. The other thing is average do not give any individual reality. It is entirely possible that The single smartest person is from a minority that, on average, scores less than other demographics. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:34:10 PM EDT
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Maybe those that don't make the cut should start caring about their education enough to.....compete on equal footing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If college admissions are made colorblind, blacks and hispanics will virtually disappear from the university system in the US. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:34:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That would be discrimination. Glad I got 1600 back in the day. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:36:26 PM EDT
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It would be nice if this led to the end of affirmative action, racist policy that it is. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:37:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, Harvard turns into a pure meritocracy. It would be mostly Asian and Jewish. Few legacies either. Besides the loss of billions from alumni, they also lose placing all the top minority kids into industry. Then there is the whailing and gnashing of teeth from half the country that Harvard is racist and non Asian minorities are being locked out of the power factory. If you do not see how that would harm Harvard (or most any school). OK. You disagree. The world is a pretty nuanced place. Good luck. As for the wailing and gnashing of teeth, serious, who GAF? No university should. If someone doesn't like it because it doesn't comport with their SJW sensibilities, they can fuck off. That's not an excuse for this policy at all. "Well, some people expect us to have racist policies like this and would be very angry if we didn't, so we have to." Give me a break. Not seeing these things as serious issues does not inherently entail a lack of nuanced thought. It's a good way to try to frame things in a more favourable light to yourself, though, as fallacious as such a method of reasoning is. The only issue that is a legitimate concern is the alumni legacy issue, but that can be resolvred without these racist policies. Reserve some space for legacy candidates, within reason (if they totally suck, they should still not be allowed in), but make everything else based on academic merit, resorting to character (good or bad), using traditional Western views of virtue and character, to break ties if necessary to make such differentiations. There is simply no justification that I have seen so far which withstands scrutiny in principle for this sort of policy. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:40:27 PM EDT
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Shit I'm 20 points behind my race. Fuck me.
In Highschool, I knew kids that had the exact same background as me. However, since they were Mexican and I was Asian, they were rewarded and got letters of recommendations for getting scores under mine. ... at the same time, a lot of my friends who were actually low income/ immigrants were white and Asian. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:44:28 PM EDT
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You're joking right? Never. Gonna. Happen. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:47:58 PM EDT
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What positive things do you think would come from the vast majority of non Asian minorities being locked out of the best schools? You can turn schools into meritocracies. That does not turn off the reality that there are a lot of minorities and political powers that stay in power because of them. I am not a fan of affirmative action but turning 100 or more million people, that form pretty cohesive groups, into even more of a hopeless underclass, is not the kind of thing that is good for a nation. As a libertarian, I would like to see public schools be meritocracies and private schools be able to do what they want. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You have made a lot of claims which do not appear to inherently express the reality of things and which require evidence to be accepted as such. You can turn schools into meritocracies. That does not turn off the reality that there are a lot of minorities and political powers that stay in power because of them. I am not a fan of affirmative action but turning 100 or more million people, that form pretty cohesive groups, into even more of a hopeless underclass, is not the kind of thing that is good for a nation. As a libertarian, I would like to see public schools be meritocracies and private schools be able to do what they want. Abandoning the traditional functions of higher educational institutions (which many, if not the majority have done to some extent, even absent these racist policies) does far more harm to individuals and society than admitting those who are less qualified or unqualified for the sake of their race, while keeping out those who are more qualified, again, because of their race. It is not a good thing for the nation. The reason why these people find themselves at the bottom has nothing to do with education, and won't significantly be fixed by it. Culture is the problem, and it is a problem that to a large extent has to be fixed from within. They condemn themselves into being an underclass, to the extent that such is an accurate description. And sure, legally, private institutions should do what they want, but society should not give them a free pass for their behaviour, and they should be shunned. Harvard seems to have really done a number on you, which I think says more about Harvard than I ever could. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:49:28 PM EDT
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Sounds like they need their federal funding taken away. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:49:36 PM EDT
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As a hispanic, it disgusts me. I want the best and brightest to have these sorts of opportunities. I want the best lawyer or the best doctor and I don't care if they're all asian or white. People should be admitted based on their academic merits, it should be a "colorblind" process. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:49:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Explain that. And if the top minority kids end up being inferior to others, why is this a bad thing? Also, the purpose of education shouldn't be job placement, so that makes me see it as a problem even less. As for the wailing and gnashing of teeth, serious, who GAF? No university should. If someone doesn't like it because it doesn't comport with their SJW sensibilities, they can fuck off. That's not an excuse for this policy at all. "Well, some people expect us to have racist policies like this and would be very angry if we didn't, so we have to." Give me a break. Not seeing these things as serious issues does not inherently entail a lack of nuanced thought. It's a good way to try to frame things in a more favourable light to yourself, though, as fallacious as such a method of reasoning is. The only issue that is a legitimate concern is the alumni legacy issue, but that can be resolvred without these racist policies. Reserve some space for legacy candidates, within reason (if they totally suck, they should still not be allowed in), but make everything else based on academic merit, resorting to character (good or bad), using traditional Western views of virtue and character, to break ties if necessary to make such differentiations. There is simply no justification that I have seen so far which withstands scrutiny in principle for this sort of policy. You and I are not likely to agree on much. For those calling them out, you are calling out the single most wealthy and successful, in terms of results, school in the world. That doesn’t make you wrong but in all the world, no one is doing better. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:51:56 PM EDT
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So...can we follow Li-a-watha's lead, and cheat on our DNA tests?
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:53:22 PM EDT
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Just about every school has different standards for blacks and Hispanics. In America, black and Hispanic success comes at Asian and white expense. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:54:07 PM EDT
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Good, my kids are half Asian and get great grades.
Maybe they won't be screwed on getting in a good college because they either claim white and/or asian. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:55:51 PM EDT
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If college admissions are made colorblind, blacks and hispanics will virtually disappear from the university system in the US. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:56:14 PM EDT
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Your argument is the way you think it should work. My statements are about the way it works and that no one else has better results. You and I are not likely to agree on much. For those calling them out, you are calling out the single most wealthy and successful, in terms of results, school in the world. That doesn’t make you wrong but in all the world, no one is doing better. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Explain that. And if the top minority kids end up being inferior to others, why is this a bad thing? Also, the purpose of education shouldn't be job placement, so that makes me see it as a problem even less. As for the wailing and gnashing of teeth, serious, who GAF? No university should. If someone doesn't like it because it doesn't comport with their SJW sensibilities, they can fuck off. That's not an excuse for this policy at all. "Well, some people expect us to have racist policies like this and would be very angry if we didn't, so we have to." Give me a break. Not seeing these things as serious issues does not inherently entail a lack of nuanced thought. It's a good way to try to frame things in a more favourable light to yourself, though, as fallacious as such a method of reasoning is. The only issue that is a legitimate concern is the alumni legacy issue, but that can be resolvred without these racist policies. Reserve some space for legacy candidates, within reason (if they totally suck, they should still not be allowed in), but make everything else based on academic merit, resorting to character (good or bad), using traditional Western views of virtue and character, to break ties if necessary to make such differentiations. There is simply no justification that I have seen so far which withstands scrutiny in principle for this sort of policy. You and I are not likely to agree on much. For those calling them out, you are calling out the single most wealthy and successful, in terms of results, school in the world. That doesn’t make you wrong but in all the world, no one is doing better. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:56:28 PM EDT
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Affirmative Action is legalized descrimination. Making it legal doesn't make it right. The USSC is going to shut it down in coming years and it will be long overdue. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:56:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To the first, why should it matter? If someone does not make the cut, they don't make the cut. It's not the purpose of the university to concern itself with such things. Its purpose is to curate, pass down, and synthesize knowledge of the liberal arts, sciences, applied sciences, and professions. Such a purpose depends heavily on merit for its furtherance. To water things down so that the demographics match a certain desired outcome is detrimental to the core function of a university. Lowering the standards for racial reasons lowers the bar for everyone. I've seen this effect. The students who shouldn't have been there brought everyone else down closer to their level. The policy is not only morally wrong, but detrimental to proper academic function. And ensuring the best quality education for those most capable of receiving it, and promoting the best, is inherently beneficial to the purpose of advancing, maintaining, and passing down knowledge, which I would certainly consider a "positive thing". Abandoning the traditional functions of higher educational institutions (which many, if not the majority have done to some extent, even absent these racist policies) does far more harm to individuals and society than admitting those who are less qualified or unqualified for the sake of their race, while keeping out those who are more qualified, again, because of their race. It is not a good thing for the nation. The reason why these people find themselves at the bottom has nothing to do with education, and won't significantly be fixed by it. Culture is the problem, and it is a problem that to a large extent has to be fixed from within. They condemn themselves into being an underclass, to the extent that such is an accurate description. And sure, legally, private institutions should do what they want, but society should not give them a free pass for their behaviour, and they should be shunned. Harvard seems to have really done a number on you, which I think says more about Harvard than I ever could. And once again, you are literally saying to the wealthiest and most successful school in the world that they are doing it wrong. As for what Harvard did to me, you cant even begin to imagine the doors it opened. That is what the wealthiest and most successful school does for a person. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:58:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For reasons that seem to have little to do with education. It's all about building networks with the powerful, as someone mentioned. Whether those people who achieve because of this actually came out better educated or better people overall is at the very least rather questionable. I judge an educational institution based on what it has taught and ingrained into its alumni. That is, after all, what the university is supposed to be about. The rest should just be happy bonuses. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 9:59:29 PM EDT
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HOLY crap, 1310 can get you considered for Harvard?!??!?! WTF I had a 1250 and was hung over when i took the SAT my junior year. Extra curriculars like crazy, (captain for football team, track team, and youth volunteer of year for local community), If i had taken the SAT my senior year i could have a legit shot at going to Harvard?!?!?!? WTF. holy crap... |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 10:00:29 PM EDT
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You are romanticising “traditional education” as something it never was. It has always been a place for privilege, nepotism and experimentation. Even when it was largely for the clergy. It has never been pure. And once again, you are literally saying to the wealthiest and most successful school in the world that they are doing it wrong. As for what Harvard did to me, you cant even begin to imagine the doors it opened. That is what the wealthiest and most successful school does for a person. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: To the first, why should it matter? If someone does not make the cut, they don't make the cut. It's not the purpose of the university to concern itself with such things. Its purpose is to curate, pass down, and synthesize knowledge of the liberal arts, sciences, applied sciences, and professions. Such a purpose depends heavily on merit for its furtherance. To water things down so that the demographics match a certain desired outcome is detrimental to the core function of a university. Lowering the standards for racial reasons lowers the bar for everyone. I've seen this effect. The students who shouldn't have been there brought everyone else down closer to their level. The policy is not only morally wrong, but detrimental to proper academic function. And ensuring the best quality education for those most capable of receiving it, and promoting the best, is inherently beneficial to the purpose of advancing, maintaining, and passing down knowledge, which I would certainly consider a "positive thing". Abandoning the traditional functions of higher educational institutions (which many, if not the majority have done to some extent, even absent these racist policies) does far more harm to individuals and society than admitting those who are less qualified or unqualified for the sake of their race, while keeping out those who are more qualified, again, because of their race. It is not a good thing for the nation. The reason why these people find themselves at the bottom has nothing to do with education, and won't significantly be fixed by it. Culture is the problem, and it is a problem that to a large extent has to be fixed from within. They condemn themselves into being an underclass, to the extent that such is an accurate description. And sure, legally, private institutions should do what they want, but society should not give them a free pass for their behaviour, and they should be shunned. Harvard seems to have really done a number on you, which I think says more about Harvard than I ever could. And once again, you are literally saying to the wealthiest and most successful school in the world that they are doing it wrong. As for what Harvard did to me, you cant even begin to imagine the doors it opened. That is what the wealthiest and most successful school does for a person. Wealth is not the measure of a good educational institution. And if you are a typical example of what Harvard is producing, I certainly wouldn't want people from Harvard being part of any endeavours in which I may engage. It clearly corrupts the mind. And yeah, like I said, the point of Harvard now is networking, not education. Cerrtainly by that measure, it is successful. By any proper measure of a university, that is of minimal relevance. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 10:13:58 PM EDT
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That's the newer 2000 point scale too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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HOLY crap, 1310 can get you considered for Harvard?!??!?! WTF I had a 1250 and was hung over when i took the SAT my junior year. Extra curriculars like crazy, (captain for football team, track team, and youth volunteer of year for local community), If i had taken the SAT my senior year i could have a legit shot at going to Harvard?!?!?!? WTF. holy crap... Kharn |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 10:18:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're not a fan of affirmative action but you think affirmative action is good for the nation? Oh ok. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 10:22:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All human institutions have some measure of corruption. It is inherent in human nature. But to make it inherent in the system to a higher degree or make it the basis for the institution altogether is another story. Wealth is not the measure of a good educational institution. And if you are a typical example of what Harvard is producing, I certainly wouldn't want people from Harvard being part of any endeavours in which I may engage. It clearly corrupts the mind. And yeah, like I said, the point of Harvard now is networking, not education. Cerrtainly by that measure, it is successful. By any proper measure of a university, that is of minimal relevance. Again, you are taking a swing at the champ. The champ does not always win but lying about his performance is absurd. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 10:23:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is absurd to call out Harvard when the topic is production of luminaries. Be it is science, politics, industry, entertainment, the arts....whatever. Harvard, like almost every other university, is a left leaning circle jerk of a place. But it is insane to take swings at their results. You can parse them. You can argue reasons. You can point out a few areas of comparative weakness....but at the end of the day, they are the champs. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 10:24:43 PM EDT
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“Harvard never considers an applicant’s race to be a negative,”
Some animals are more equal than others... |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 10:25:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No he thinks whatever action or stance Harvard has taken is automatically good, because if it wasn't good Harvard wouldn't have taken it. It is a shitty game. Harvard is the best at playing it. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 10:27:18 PM EDT
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This blatant racism:
- oh why isn't ANTIFA organizing demonstrations to fight such bigotry?? 
(Oh right - ANTIFA approves of bigotry like this). |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 10:29:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure they're going to remain at the forefront of science with a policy of preferring melanin over brains. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 10:47:48 PM EDT
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How about only admitting the smartest people with the best grade point averages?
This of course doesn't include athletes and such. Seriously. This isn't hard. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 10:55:00 PM EDT
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Lol, in this thread GD feigns outrage.
If we asked about Asian H-1B visa holders in another thread, half the posters would say not to admit them and claim it is because they lack the exact same “personal” factors Harvard cites for not admitting Asians. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 11:02:07 PM EDT
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How about only admitting the smartest people with the best grade point averages? This of course doesn't include athletes and such. Seriously. This isn't hard. Harvard's ultimate positions is "People are more than grades and test scores." Kind of like half of this place, that attacks higher education because people are more than grades and test scores. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 11:05:30 PM EDT
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The real bitch of the black admissions is it isn’t the downtrodden getting in. It is the suburban kids using the quota system.
Justice Thoroughood Marshall’s son got into law school on a racial quota. He shouldn’t have needed anything like this as his father was powerful. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 11:08:14 PM EDT
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How about only admitting the smartest people with the best grade point averages? This of course doesn't include athletes and such. Seriously. This isn't hard. 2. College admissions has never been a strict meritocracy. Plenty of kids from families with good donor records get an edge too. 3. If we're talking academic meritocracy, why exclude athletes? 4. Why shouldn't private schools like Harvard be able to admit whoever they want? |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 11:12:05 PM EDT
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I'll be accused of being a white supremacist for saying this (which would be idiotic since this indicates that Asians have the lead), but if true, it seems that Harvard is admitting a genetic link to intelligence.
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Posted: 10/17/2018 11:15:41 PM EDT
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I'll be accused of being a white supremacist for saying this (which would be idiotic since this indicates that Asians have the lead), but if true, it seems that Harvard is admitting a genetic link to intelligence. |
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Posted: 10/18/2018 12:07:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are motivated and involved in HS you can get accepted to a lot of places. My story is much like yours, although I never took the SAT. I took the ACT while probably still measurably drunk from the night before. I got letters from a lot of places including MIT. None of which I would ever entertain thoughts of attending but I did find it funny. |
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Posted: 10/18/2018 12:31:14 AM EDT
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Asian Americans are not the equality they want.
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Posted: 10/18/2018 12:38:28 AM EDT
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lol no Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll be accused of being a white supremacist for saying this (which would be idiotic since this indicates that Asians have the lead), but if true, it seems that Harvard is admitting a genetic link to intelligence. |
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Posted: 10/18/2018 12:43:25 AM EDT
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As an Asian, I concur. Give me the best regardless of race. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a hispanic, it disgusts me. I want the best and brightest to have these sorts of opportunities. I want the best lawyer or the best doctor and I don't care if they're all asian or white. People should be admitted based on their academic merits, it should be a "colorblind" process. |
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Posted: 10/18/2018 12:54:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Grades and test scores doesnt always equate to the best leaders/students. Most research points to high school grades being the best indicator of college success. Test scores only correlate slightly to performance. That makes sense. Grades include the component of long term work. Tests do not. The world is full of smart people that do not accomplish shit and average people who grind their way to success. A guy with top grades is likely smart and hard working. |
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Posted: 10/18/2018 12:56:55 AM EDT
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Where was my recruitment letter for my 1425 SAT, 34 ACT?
Ahhh, white male, I'm not allowed to be smart. |
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Posted: 10/18/2018 1:03:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, if true, they certainly seem to be operating from that premise. By and large when I was growing up there was a large group of us in the neighborhood that would get together and play. Black, white, Indian (couple dots and 1 feather). A mixing pot for sure. We had 3 Asian kids, 2 girls and a boy. 1 of the girls and the boy came out much later (if at all) cause they had "extra" homework, be it a school assigned one or more likely one by their parents. They were always pressured to do better, and they were already top of the class. I happened to be in class with the girl. Straight As, a bunch of extra curricular stuff, all of it. I've never in my life seen any other demographic that pushed their kids as hard. It can leads to very successful adults, but some inevitably and unfortunately break along the way. Mind you, the boy and girl had first gen traditional Asians parents. The other girl had more Americanized parents that were much more lenient with such things. |
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