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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:26:30 PM EDT
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With this SCOTUS?
Probably. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:30:21 PM EDT
[#2]
Not gonna happen without a lot of steps first. I'm not worried about it.
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:31:46 PM EDT
[#3]
They never owned them to begin with.
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:32:42 PM EDT
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They never owned them to begin with. 
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:32:58 PM EDT
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Not gonna happen without a lot of steps first. I'm not worried about it. If you paid a tax for something, can the government come back and take it away, for no other reason than they don't want you to have it anymore? |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:33:07 PM EDT
[#6]
Come and take it.
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:33:36 PM EDT
[#7]
The resulting civil war will take priority over answering that question.
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:36:20 PM EDT
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Small brain: lawyers arbitrarily make shit happen
Medium brain: lawyers navigate and exploit complex rulesets to serve their clients and balance civic interests Galaxy brain: see pt 1 |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:36:43 PM EDT
[#9]
The thing about governments, they can do what ever their citizens let them.
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:38:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmmm, off to make a meme.
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:39:48 PM EDT
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I'm curious hypothetically. If you paid a tax for something, can the government come back and take it away, for no other reason than they don't want you to have it anymore? Hell bumpstocks even. I don't these fuckers care about taxes in this way. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:44:45 PM EDT
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What about state level bans where people paid sales tax? Hell bumpstocks even. I don't these fuckers care about taxes in this way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm curious hypothetically. If you paid a tax for something, can the government come back and take it away, for no other reason than they don't want you to have it anymore? Hell bumpstocks even. I don't these fuckers care about taxes in this way. The sales tax is a minute cost. 6%? 8%? But, if you take a rifle that was $800 to build, and you pay a $200 tax on that rifle, that's a 25% cost. Then again, it's probably immaterial. They probably don't give a fuck one way or another, and it's doubtful that the judges to either. Totalitarian governments that seize property aren't going to be restrained by the fact that they're robbing you of your tax dollars. Hell, all of these fuckers are running on the platform of robbing you of your tax dollars. |
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:49:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/1/2019 11:53:08 PM EDT
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I'm curious hypothetically. If you paid a tax for something, can the government come back and take it away, for no other reason than they don't want you to have it anymore? |
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Posted: 7/2/2019 12:02:53 AM EDT
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You may measure the corruption of a government by the number of laws that are ignored by its citizenry.
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Posted: 7/2/2019 12:03:29 AM EDT
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I'm curious hypothetically. If you paid a tax for something, can the government come back and take it away, for no other reason than they don't want you to have it anymore? |
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Posted: 7/2/2019 12:08:11 AM EDT
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The Dims. would have to take over Congress and write some legislation to enact the ban, appropriate funds for the buy back, and amend the NFA. Then the lawyers would get paid to litigate whether or not the new legislation is constitutional WRT the 2nd amdt. GD would start 87 threads about how C.J. Roberts is going to fuck us. ATF stops selling stamps. Transfers stop. Your $20k transferable is now worth $0.87.
80% lowers become unobtainium. Something like that. |
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Posted: 7/2/2019 12:24:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Far from a legal expert, but if they can eminent domain your property, I have a feeling they don't care too much about a tax stamp. Govt can do pretty much whatever they want to do, if they want to, bad enough. They've already proven they're willing to force you to buy something. It's not a far leap to force you to sell something. 
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Posted: 7/2/2019 12:31:53 AM EDT
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You have a tax stamp in hand authorizing you to own that weapon. Can they just up and revoke that? I mean, at BEST they'd give your $200 back. But I doubt they'd even do that. |
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Posted: 7/2/2019 12:48:57 AM EDT
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If they ban everything, everything can be NFA
Why limit yourself when open-bolt FA is easier to make than closed-bolt SA, and shorter barrels are also easier to make? It's all illegal so why not go big? |
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Posted: 7/2/2019 12:53:58 AM EDT
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Just imagine for a second of all the riots in the history of the Earth where the populace was not Armed to the Teeth like current Americans are...... It will be one fucking shit show for sure, and lots of politicians may be taken out by lots of 2nd amendment supporters, errr i meant lots of American Citizens.
No time in the past has the populace been armed to the point where the Government has a chance to loose except in the USA, and i doubt that the .Gov will use Nukes against it's own people. |
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Posted: 7/2/2019 12:55:03 AM EDT
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With so many states thumbing their noses at Federal Law, I don't see how they can confiscate anything as long as a State makes it legal. Pot is Federally illegal but 20 or so states have made it legal. Seems like free states can just pass a law making Federally banned guns and mags legal and tell .gov to go fuck themselves. Hell, maybe that's what will get this party started.
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Posted: 7/2/2019 1:00:48 AM EDT
[#23]
The precedent may correlate to alcohol and tax stamps.
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Posted: 7/2/2019 1:19:39 AM EDT
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I'm curious hypothetically. If you paid a tax for something, can the government come back and take it away, for no other reason than they don't want you to have it anymore? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not gonna happen without a lot of steps first. I'm not worried about it. If you paid a tax for something, can the government come back and take it away, for no other reason than they don't want you to have it anymore? Bump stocks were taxed. Albeit at a lower rate, still illegal. |
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Posted: 7/2/2019 1:31:13 AM EDT
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A couple questions Brothers,
Since every democrat has come out and admitted that they will ban semi autos, how can you justify voting for or supporting them in any way? What kind of mental gymnastics are you guys using to not do everything you can to oppose them including supporting our currently elected President?(Albeit he's not perfect, but I think he learns from his mistakes.) ETA: President Trump is not a "gun guy." Hell, I doubt he knows the difference between a "real assault rifle" and an "AR15". He does what his advisers tell him to. He is a wheeler dealer. His advisers told him bump stocks were no big thing. He looked at it as a pawn that could be sacrificed. He quickly found out he was wrong. He does not like to be wrong so he back peddled. This is what we want, a polititian that listens and reacts to the people. Of course the democraps weren't satisfied. They are democraps, pieces of shit! Show me just one pro 2nd amendment democrap. It is imperative that they never gain any more ground. Just look at all the shit they have stirred up when they stole the house. We need to retake the house, retain the senate, and kick these anti americans out of our government. How? I'll leave that to smarter people than me, but I don't want to fight a left vs right revolution in our country. (I suggest everyone pick up some of those blue odd shaped pieces of metal that help make freedom glitter) |
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Posted: 7/2/2019 1:34:54 AM EDT
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They would have to repeal the NFA first
Second start learning to sling sparkly pieces of freedom. 
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Posted: 7/2/2019 1:36:21 AM EDT
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With so many states thumbing their noses at Federal Law, I don't see how they can confiscate anything as long as a State makes it legal. Pot is Federally illegal but 20 or so states have made it legal. Seems like free states can just pass a law making Federally banned guns and mags legal and tell .gov to go fuck themselves. Hell, maybe that's what will get this party started. |
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Posted: 7/2/2019 1:37:59 AM EDT
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I have no doubt that some here will not vote for Trump
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Posted: 7/2/2019 1:42:45 AM EDT
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Just imagine for a second of all the riots in the history of the Earth where the populace was not Armed to the Teeth like current Americans are...... It will be one fucking shit show for sure, and lots of politicians may be taken out by lots of 2nd amendment supporters, errr i meant lots of American Citizens. No time in the past has the populace been armed to the point where the Government has a chance to loose except in the USA, and i doubt that the .Gov will use Nukes against it's own people. He did that just because they banned mags and a few other reasons, back then most of the people didn't have the info they did today. And them add another 10-100 killdozers and pics of slain patriots on Facebook, Twitter and the MSM. Even If I was a senator and hated guns, their is no way I would ban them as I know how bad Shit will hit the fan if you push gun owners in a corner. |
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Posted: 7/2/2019 1:43:48 AM EDT
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I'm curious hypothetically. If you paid a tax for something, can the government come back and take it away, for no other reason than they don't want you to have it anymore? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not gonna happen without a lot of steps first. I'm not worried about it. If you paid a tax for something, can the government come back and take it away, for no other reason than they don't want you to have it anymore? Does the fact that it's a firearm really have anything to do with it? Yes, I get the firearm is the poster child for this argument with the specific gun control acts and tax stamps and proof required on .gov side and citizen side, but it could be something else that meets those criteria. |
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Posted: 7/2/2019 2:13:48 AM EDT
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Depends on the text of the bill. Generally, Title I (Non-NFA) guns are regulated in a vacuum relative to TITLE II (NFA) firearms. For example, the AWB in Maryland doesn’t touch machine guns, only semi-auto, Title I firearms. Therefore, it’s perfectly legal to buy an M16A1, but an SP1 is a felony.
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Posted: 7/2/2019 2:30:11 AM EDT
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Depends on the text of the bill. Generally, Title I (Non-NFA) guns are regulated in a vacuum relative to TITLE II (NFA) firearms. For example, the AWB in Maryland doesn’t touch machine guns, only semi-auto, Title I firearms. Therefore, it’s perfectly legal to buy an M16A1, but an SP1 is a felony. |
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Posted: 7/2/2019 2:52:15 AM EDT
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Money talks. The rich will have their legal Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Depends on the text of the bill. Generally, Title I (Non-NFA) guns are regulated in a vacuum relative to TITLE II (NFA) firearms. For example, the AWB in Maryland doesn’t touch machine guns, only semi-auto, Title I firearms. Therefore, it’s perfectly legal to buy an M16A1, but an SP1 is a felony. |
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Posted: 7/2/2019 6:27:01 AM EDT
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If/when those A-Holes take power it will get very ugly very fast. Opposition will be crushed, in the "name of the law and social order" quickly, by any means "necessary".
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Posted: 7/2/2019 6:30:55 AM EDT
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Did I make it in before the people who do not ever want to see the NFA repealed, in order to "protect their investment?"
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Posted: 7/2/2019 7:23:00 AM EDT
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I'm so sick of politicians attempting to "think". It seems that their solution is to always call a plumber to fix a missing button on a shirt at five times the price.
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Posted: 7/2/2019 7:56:03 AM EDT
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Doesn't take a, "legal eagle," to know that government can take actions that are contrary to our constitutional rights and not in our best interests. It's being done now and it will get worse when Democrats hold a majority in congress.
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Posted: 7/2/2019 8:00:22 AM EDT
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What you really need to be asking is at what point, EXACTLY what point in history, should have European Jews (and others) stopped following the law and started fighting for their lives.
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Posted: 7/2/2019 8:01:43 AM EDT
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NFA items becomes"previously legal" along with all the other property that was "previously legal" before it no longer was.
BTW: "buying back" something which .gov never owned in the first place is Orwellian newspeak for "seizing them". |
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Posted: 7/2/2019 8:12:04 AM EDT
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The problem, of course, is all legal nfa items are registered. This makes for a tidy list the government can use to collect then. Title 1 firearms don't have the same issue.
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Posted: 7/2/2019 8:15:10 AM EDT
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The folks doing the "buying bacK" (NOT the folks selling) are putting big targets on their chest and back.
You know it won't be the Reps or Senators who voted for it, or the communist President who "authorizes it".
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