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Posted: 2/19/2022 4:12:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/19/2022 4:15:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/19/2022 4:32:31 PM EDT
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Sad all parts and checks from the lowest bidder in a race to be the first.
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Posted: 2/19/2022 4:33:07 PM EDT
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Gus Grissom was very critical of the Apollo program. Not long before this incident, he had speared a lemon on a coat hanger and hung it from a model of the CSM. He was very skeptical about the abilties of a lot of the hardware. He even told his wife (paraphrasing here) "Don't be surprised if I end up dead" His (Grissom's) son always suspected foul play with regard to the fire of Apollo I.
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Posted: 2/19/2022 4:35:16 PM EDT
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The audio of the fire and voice transmissions is out there. It's tough to listen to.
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Posted: 2/19/2022 4:38:00 PM EDT
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Sad read.
I believe NASA still has the capsule in storage somewhere. |
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Posted: 2/19/2022 4:42:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The audio of the fire and voice transmissions is out there. It's tough to listen to. Chafee can be heard screaming "we're burning up" right before the audio goes silent. Grissom's last words kind of go along with my post above. It was a complaint about some hardware (comms not working correctly in this case) |
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Posted: 2/19/2022 4:44:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Chafee can be heard screaming "we're burning up" right before the audio goes silent. Grissom's last words kind of go along with my post above. It was a complaint about some hardware (comms not working correctly in this case) They'd had a problem with the comms all day during that test. The article I posted said it sounded like someone's mike was open all the time. |
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Posted: 2/19/2022 6:05:01 PM EDT
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 Apollo 1 Audio - 27 January, 1967 Audio of fire begins at the 30-minute mark. |
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Posted: 2/19/2022 8:23:18 PM EDT
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The man who headed the investigation (and his whole family, IIRC) died in a tragic car/train accident shortly after he had investigated and was ready to report the findings of the Apollo I fire, IIRC......................
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Posted: 2/20/2022 10:50:43 AM EDT
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Big hit for my family: My best friend's father was a retired USAF Test Pilot. He graduated from ther USAF Flight Test Pilot class with Gus Grissom. Class 57B IRC. Anyone have a pic of Gus Grissom's Test Pilot class?
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:01:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sad read. I believe NASA still has the capsule in storage somewhere. Yes, it's stored in a missile silo at Canaveral/Kennedy. Challenger and Columbia are stored there as well. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:04:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The man who headed the investigation (and his whole family, IIRC) died in a tragic car/train accident shortly after he had investigated and was ready to report the findings of the Apollo I fire, IIRC...................... Another example of incompetence being used to imply a conspiracy. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:09:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, it's stored in a missile silo at Canaveral/Kennedy. Challenger and Columbia are stored there as well. I think it's still in a warehouse at NASA Langley |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:14:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it's still in a warehouse at NASA Langley Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes, it's stored in a missile silo at Canaveral/Kennedy. Challenger and Columbia are stored there as well. I think it's still in a warehouse at NASA Langley https://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley/news/researchernews/rn_apollo1.html#:~:text=The%20Apollo%201%20capsule%20was,being%20stored%20at%20NASA%20Langley. Several years ago they showed the hatches at Kennedy. https://www.space.com/35477-apollo1-new-nasa-hatches-exhibit.html |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:18:39 PM EDT
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Locked in with no way out with an almost pure oxygen environment filled with electrical connections.
No way to escape due to Apollo 1 not having explosive safety latches on the hatch. Very brave men indeed to enter that. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:20:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another example of incompetence being used to imply a conspiracy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The man who headed the investigation (and his whole family, IIRC) died in a tragic car/train accident shortly after he had investigated and was ready to report the findings of the Apollo I fire, IIRC...................... Another example of incompetence being used to imply a conspiracy. Are you implying that what I said was not true? You can take it anyway you want, who cares? |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:40:17 PM EDT
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In Last Man on the Moon they interview Chaffee’s widow. It’s pretty rough to watch.
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:50:16 PM EDT
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I remember that day well even though I was just shy of 9 years old. I was a major space flight buff. I can still recite their names from memory.
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Posted: 2/20/2022 1:22:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is. https://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley/news/researchernews/rn_apollo1.html#:~:text=The%20Apollo%201%20capsule%20was,being%20stored%20at%20NASA%20Langley. Several years ago they showed the hatches at Kennedy. https://www.space.com/35477-apollo1-new-nasa-hatches-exhibit.html Huh. I didn't know it was at Langley. Last I read it was in a missile silo. Glad to see they moved it to a better facility. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 1:31:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Huh. I didn't know it was at Langley. Last I read it was in a missile silo. Glad to see they moved it to a better facility. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It is. https://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley/news/researchernews/rn_apollo1.html#:~:text=The%20Apollo%201%20capsule%20was,being%20stored%20at%20NASA%20Langley. Several years ago they showed the hatches at Kennedy. https://www.space.com/35477-apollo1-new-nasa-hatches-exhibit.html Huh. I didn't know it was at Langley. Last I read it was in a missile silo. Glad to see they moved it to a better facility. https://www.space.com/29794-space-shuttles-challenger-columbia-debris-exhibit.html |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 1:38:46 PM EDT
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My father worked in the space program so even though I was a kid I followed it closely. I remember this vividly.
At that time we were really pushing the envelope of technology, and when you’re operating on that thin edge bad things can happen quickly. That’s why we had incidents like the loss of the Thresher, our deepest diving submarine, and B-58 Hustler bombers disintegrating in mid air while flying at Mach 2. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 1:47:48 PM EDT
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When I was a little kid, my parents took me to a parade honoring Gus Grissom after his Mercury flight. I still remember him sitting the the back of a convertible and waving at the crowd.
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:03:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sad all parts and checks from the lowest bidder in a race to be the first. No, not really |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:07:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, not really Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sad all parts and checks from the lowest bidder in a race to be the first. No, not really |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:11:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:11:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GD things everything is LPTA in the government acquisition world. I gave up trying to correct it every time I see that fucking statement. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sad all parts and checks from the lowest bidder in a race to be the first. No, not really Best value isn't much better once the KO's eyes glaze over and they stop understanding the engineers. Kharn |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:44:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Best value isn't much better once the KO's eyes glaze over and they stop understanding the engineers. Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sad all parts and checks from the lowest bidder in a race to be the first. No, not really Best value isn't much better once the KO's eyes glaze over and they stop understanding the engineers. Kharn https://history.nasa.gov/SP-4102/ch4.htm |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 6:25:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of Challenger is stored in old missile silos at Canaveral. Colombia is mostly stored at the VAB for researchers to access. https://www.space.com/29794-space-shuttles-challenger-columbia-debris-exhibit.html Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It is. https://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley/news/researchernews/rn_apollo1.html#:~:text=The%20Apollo%201%20capsule%20was,being%20stored%20at%20NASA%20Langley. Several years ago they showed the hatches at Kennedy. https://www.space.com/35477-apollo1-new-nasa-hatches-exhibit.html Huh. I didn't know it was at Langley. Last I read it was in a missile silo. Glad to see they moved it to a better facility. https://www.space.com/29794-space-shuttles-challenger-columbia-debris-exhibit.html |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 6:27:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gus Grissom was very critical of the Apollo program. Not long before this incident, he had speared a lemon on a coat hanger and hung it from a model of the CSM. He was very skeptical about the abilties of a lot of the hardware. He even told his wife (paraphrasing here) "Don't be surprised if I end up dead" His (Grissom's) son always suspected foul play with regard to the fire of Apollo I. He is the namesake of my high school in Huntsville. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 6:32:29 PM EDT
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That's the stuff of nightmares for your last words to be 'We're burnin up!"
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Posted: 2/20/2022 7:43:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another example of incompetence being used to imply a conspiracy. Well since about 75% of the conspiracy theories I know have been proven to be fact I don’t doubt anything anymore. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 9:11:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He is the namesake of my high school in Huntsville. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Gus Grissom was very critical of the Apollo program. Not long before this incident, he had speared a lemon on a coat hanger and hung it from a model of the CSM. He was very skeptical about the abilties of a lot of the hardware. He even told his wife (paraphrasing here) "Don't be surprised if I end up dead" His (Grissom's) son always suspected foul play with regard to the fire of Apollo I. He is the namesake of my high school in Huntsville. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 9:15:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well since about 75% of the conspiracy theories I know have been proven to be fact I don’t doubt anything anymore. There are real conspiracies in every major undertaking that has ever happened at any point in history. Lies are told, shit is covered up, etc, etc. It's just how things work. With regard to Apollo I, there was some very questionable things, whether through gross negligence or intentional, but lies and cover-ups surely ensued as a result. How far and wide is anybody's guess. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 9:25:37 PM EDT
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Not to derail topic but related.
 The Story of Astronaut Who Fell From Space! |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 9:27:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Locked in with no way out with an almost pure oxygen environment filled with electrical connections. No way to escape due to Apollo 1 not having explosive safety latches on the hatch. Very brave men indeed to enter that. They didn't have explosive bolts on the first Apollos because they had an unexpected explosion on Grissom's Mercury splashdown. It just went off and the capsule was lost in the water. The engineers didn't want to take chances of it happening again in space, so they took them off. As far as a lot of the technical issues with the capsule and the final fire, Borman said in front of some Congressional committee that it was a "failure of imagination" and they just didn't think about some of those things going bad. In a way it was good that Apollo 1 burned up. It forced NASA and the contractors to go back and fix a lot of problems before it killed more astronauts. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 9:42:09 PM EDT
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If this accident had happened in orbit, or in fact at any time after lift-off, it may well have ended the project.
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Posted: 2/20/2022 9:59:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the stuff of nightmares for your last words to be 'We're burnin up!" Quick death though. When my times comes, I hope it is as fast......... |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 10:58:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sad all parts and checks from the lowest bidder in a race to be the first. That is just plain stupid… |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 11:11:04 PM EDT
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Until changes were made to Apollo , some people were going to die. Be it on the launch pad or in orbit, someone was gonna die.
I’m amazed that our space program went as long as it did with so few deaths. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 11:14:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If this accident had happened in orbit, or in fact at any time after lift-off, it may well have ended the project. Quite possibly. If not for the safe return of the 13 crew, it might've ended there. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 11:25:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2022 11:50:44 PM EDT
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I remember it well. I was not even 7 years old. I might still have the time magazine around here with them on the cover.
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Posted: 2/21/2022 12:05:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI wish I could go back in time and issue a warning to them. They probably wouldn't listen to a retard like me anyhow.......
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Posted: 2/21/2022 11:29:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If this accident had happened in orbit, or in fact at any time after lift-off, it may well have ended the project. Not likely. Between St. JFK's promise to put a man on the moon by 1970 and the threat of a Red Moon if the Russians beat us, not to mention all the pork and jobs NASA meant across the country, all the Walter Mondales in Congress weren't going to kill Apollo. |
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Posted: 2/21/2022 11:57:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GD things everything is LPTA in the government acquisition world. I gave up trying to correct it every time I see that fucking statement. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sad all parts and checks from the lowest bidder in a race to be the first. No, not really That statement also implies the highest, or higher bidders, are the more competent parties to perform the job. As a general contractor, I can firmly tell you that is false. |
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Posted: 2/21/2022 12:00:16 PM EDT
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If you are ever in southern Indiana and you are near the town of Mitchell Indiana, go to Spring Mill State Park and visit the Gus Grissom Museum there. It's a really great little museum with a lot of space memorabilia in it.
Mitchell, Indiana and Lawrence County gave the United States three astronauts. Gus Grissom, Kenneth D. Bowersox and Charles D. Walker |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 12:11:17 PM EDT
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I think I read that Deke Slayton wanted to be in the capsule that day, laying at their feet, so he could more closely monitor the systems, but Grissom didn't let him.
Also, if it weren't for Apollo 1, Apollo 13 probably wouldn't have made it back. All the extra insulation and potting on the electronics helped prevent shorts when they powered the CM back on, because there was condensed moisture on everything. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 2:42:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think I read that Deke Slayton wanted to be in the capsule that day, laying at their feet, so he could more closely monitor the systems, but Grissom didn't let him. Also, if it weren't for Apollo 1, Apollo 13 probably wouldn't have made it back. All the extra insulation and potting on the electronics helped prevent shorts when they powered the CM back on, because there was condensed moisture on everything. Slayton stressed that he didn't have some kind of death wish. He said that he was close enough to the fire that he could have deployed an extinguisher and put it out before it got out of hand. |
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