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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:24:49 PM EDT
Its a short video so just watch it.
The GOA caused the ATF to make some changes to the new "rule" https://youtu.be/xov8nJznVks?feature=shared |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:29:23 PM EDT
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11 minutes is not a short video
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:31:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TargetTime: 11 minutes is not a short video We ain't got no time for gun Rights. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:32:51 PM EDT
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Proper hotlink
 Here's What Our Lawyers Found In ATF's New Rule OP need to post a summary  |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:33:59 PM EDT
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Tagarooni for later
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:36:01 PM EDT
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Which "rule"? The ATF has issued all sorts of rules. Context would be nice.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:45:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWIRE: Which "rule"? The ATF has issued all sorts of rules. Context would be nice. good video btw. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:46:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: It's all about trying to make individuals be treated as FFLs when selling a firearm. good video btw. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: Originally Posted By SWIRE: Which "rule"? The ATF has issued all sorts of rules. Context would be nice. good video btw. Ok, the gun control that some Republicans helped pass late last year and opened the door for the ATF to do this. Since the legislature opened the door I do not think this will end up well for us...just like Obamacare. I hope it does go our way but I wouldn't hold my breath on this one. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:50:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWIRE: Ok, the gun control that some Republicans helped pass late last year and opened the door for the ATF to do this. Since the legislature opened the door I do not think this will end up well for us...just like Obamacare. I hope it does go our way but I wouldn't hold my breath on this one. When the ATF was doing deliberate misinterpretations of long standing GCA '68 law after 50 years of having the opposite interpretation, it was easy to say "bzzzt, wrong". When the ATF is developing original regulations to interpret fresh Bipartisan Fuck Your Rights legislation, it's a lot harder to overrule the new regs. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 1:20:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PepePewPew: When the ATF was doing deliberate misinterpretations of long standing GCA '68 law after 50 years of having the opposite interpretation, it was easy to say "bzzzt, wrong". When the ATF is developing original regulations to interpret fresh Bipartisan Fuck Your Rights legislation, it's a lot harder to overrule the new regs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PepePewPew: Originally Posted By SWIRE: Ok, the gun control that some Republicans helped pass late last year and opened the door for the ATF to do this. Since the legislature opened the door I do not think this will end up well for us...just like Obamacare. I hope it does go our way but I wouldn't hold my breath on this one. When the ATF was doing deliberate misinterpretations of long standing GCA '68 law after 50 years of having the opposite interpretation, it was easy to say "bzzzt, wrong". When the ATF is developing original regulations to interpret fresh Bipartisan Fuck Your Rights legislation, it's a lot harder to overrule the new regs. Exactly, the Dems and establishment Republicans in the legislatures said "Yes ATF, you can have more leeway in determining regulations". The courts can still intervein but it is now almost at the level where they would be telling Congress no and that is rare. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 1:21:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bellows1: We ain't got no time for gun Rights. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bellows1: Originally Posted By TargetTime: 11 minutes is not a short video We ain't got no time for gun Rights. Wait we’re supposed to talk about guns? |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 2:57:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TargetTime: 11 minutes is not a short video Good lord, how far we've fallen.  11 minutes is now "not short." It is SO easy to hide information in plain sight right under people's noses now. If it's not "OW, MY BALLS" nobody pays attention. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 3:04:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: Proper hotlink  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xov8nJznVksOP need to post a summary I wonder how secession would be viewed if you told everyone you wouldn't have to deal with the atf, fbi, or irs...  After waching the video ... I'm happy they got some decent revisions, but at this point it's like being happy that the bear only bit off one of your arms instead of both. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 3:13:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Good lord, how far we've fallen. 11 minutes is now "not short." It is SO easy to hide information in plain sight right under people's noses now. If it's not "OW, MY BALLS" nobody pays attention. 
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Posted: 5/9/2024 3:34:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWIRE: Exactly, the Dems and establishment Republicans in the legislatures said "Yes ATF, you can have more leeway in determining regulations". The courts can still intervein but it is now almost at the level where they would be telling Congress no and that is rare. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWIRE: Originally Posted By PepePewPew: Originally Posted By SWIRE: Ok, the gun control that some Republicans helped pass late last year and opened the door for the ATF to do this. Since the legislature opened the door I do not think this will end up well for us...just like Obamacare. I hope it does go our way but I wouldn't hold my breath on this one. When the ATF was doing deliberate misinterpretations of long standing GCA '68 law after 50 years of having the opposite interpretation, it was easy to say "bzzzt, wrong". When the ATF is developing original regulations to interpret fresh Bipartisan Fuck Your Rights legislation, it's a lot harder to overrule the new regs. Exactly, the Dems and establishment Republicans in the legislatures said "Yes ATF, you can have more leeway in determining regulations". The courts can still intervein but it is now almost at the level where they would be telling Congress no and that is rare. Aycshully, the problem is that the Supreme Court already settled this in 2022. In Bruen, it became the government's burden to prove that their law fits within the text of the 2a, is constant with other similar or analogous gun control from the time of adoption, AND that is aligns with America's firearm tradition. 3 out of 3 are required, but they score a 0. Yet they still shove it through. And of course we have w. VA vs epa more specifically reeling in rogue bureaucratic rule making. In short, even if Congress passed a bill labeling every person a firearms dealer, it would be invalid via the 2a and further obliterated with Bruen. That's what it says on paper anyway. |
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