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Posted: 10/21/2019 11:13:02 AM EDT
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Hey all! First real thread . . . WOOT! With the new limitations on the free version of Fusion 360 coming has anyone though about other CAD/CAM tools for the home builder? I've played with Rhinocad and SolidWorks but both are $$$$$$$. What's out there that's free AND has a good CAM workflow? Although, so far, the limitations on fusion aren't hindering anything much. Collaboration and not being able to read some specialty files may hurt some open source projects, but for a hobbyist, I don't know that it's a big deal. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 11:16:28 AM EDT
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Every time I log in that damn program tells me they want me to update the level of subscription.
What is the deadline? |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 11:16:42 AM EDT
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I don't know of another decent cad/cam all in one. I've considered going back to freecad and there's estlcam that I could pair with it. But freecad's ui drives me crazy. Although, so far, the limitations on fusion aren't hindering anything much. Collaboration and not being able to read some specialty files may hurt some open source projects, but for a hobbyist, I don't know that it's a big deal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hey all! First real thread . . . WOOT! With the new limitations on the free version of Fusion 360 coming has anyone though about other CAD/CAM tools for the home builder? I've played with Rhinocad and SolidWorks but both are $$$$$$$. What's out there that's free AND has a good CAM workflow? Although, so far, the limitations on fusion aren't hindering anything much. Collaboration and not being able to read some specialty files may hurt some open source projects, but for a hobbyist, I don't know that it's a big deal. For making my own stuff, I am not hindered at all. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 11:17:02 AM EDT
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I'd pay for Fusion, it's worth it. I'm still on my free first year
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Posted: 10/21/2019 11:17:33 AM EDT
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My fear is that it's going to be continually cut back to try to drive folks towards the paid version. I'd hate to build entire projects and then lose capabilities because of a decision at Autodesk. Since it's a web app there's really no way to work around it.
Plus there might be 2A issues in the future . . . just sayin'. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 11:18:00 AM EDT
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Every time I log in that damn program tells me they want me to update the level of subscription. What is the deadline? Did you setup as a hobbyist or use the free year for anybody. I setup as a hobbyist and don't see that. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 11:19:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't get that at all. Did you setup as a hobbyist or use the free year for anybody. I setup as a hobbyist and don't see that. They've taken away the hobbyist/startup license and have gone to a paid subscription for everything. There's a free version but it takes away a good bit of stuff although I've not been able to figure out exactly what is missing. It might be that the free version still does everything I'd want it to. Guess I'll find out when my hobby subscription is up. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 11:19:42 AM EDT
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I'd pay for Fusion, it's worth it. I'm still on my free first year But if you sign up as a hobbyist I don't think there is a time limit, but the hobbyist thing was harder to find. apparently this is out of date, even though I just did this a month ago. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 11:21:29 AM EDT
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It's coming. I got an email about it a while back. They've taken away the hobbyist/startup license and have gone to a paid subscription for everything. There's a free version but it takes away a good bit of stuff although I've not been able to figure out exactly what is missing. It might be that the free version still does everything I'd want it to. Guess I'll find out when my hobby subscription is up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I don't get that at all. Did you setup as a hobbyist or use the free year for anybody. I setup as a hobbyist and don't see that. They've taken away the hobbyist/startup license and have gone to a paid subscription for everything. There's a free version but it takes away a good bit of stuff although I've not been able to figure out exactly what is missing. It might be that the free version still does everything I'd want it to. Guess I'll find out when my hobby subscription is up. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 11:23:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: well shit. I started using it a month ago and really like it, but I am not paying hundreds of dollars for it. Might be the new free still does most of what you need, if not, cough up the cashes or find an alternative. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 11:39:19 AM EDT
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Your hobby license will remain valid but once the renewal period is up you'll have to switch to one of the new plans. Might be the new free still does most of what you need, if not, cough up the cashes or find an alternative. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: well shit. I started using it a month ago and really like it, but I am not paying hundreds of dollars for it. Might be the new free still does most of what you need, if not, cough up the cashes or find an alternative. Decent free CAD programs are pretty easy to find. CAM programs not so much . . . |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 12:19:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't get that at all. Did you setup as a hobbyist or use the free year for anybody. I setup as a hobbyist and don't see that. I can very likely use a .edu email to go forward as a student thanks to continued work required courses. But number one thing that worries me is this whole "cloud credits" crap that is required for doing cloud based rendering and is based off of polygons. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 3:01:10 PM EDT
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I'm going to stay with ArtCam. This is just a hobby for me. It doesn't justify spending $1600-$6000 for the latest software.
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Posted: 10/21/2019 3:24:08 PM EDT
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fyi, it is free with a .edu address.
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Posted: 10/21/2019 4:01:24 PM EDT
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I have been trying to teach myself Fusion360 for a few months, because it was free. Now with this, I am going to look for something else, on general principles. I am not going to invest another minute in the possibility that they could decide to photobucket me.
Yeah yeah, their company and all that, but I disagree with that business model- starts out free then your stuff is hostage if you don't pay, so I chose to avoid it. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 4:50:59 PM EDT
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Can always register an LLC in your state and get the FULL FEATURED package under the "startup" licence.
In MN, its about $140 for the LLC, keep it as long as you renew yearly (free online renewal, takes 4 minutes). |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 5:19:41 PM EDT
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It doesn't sound like they are limiting much.
Fusion 360 hobbyist/startup subscribers: Action is required by the end of your term! Effective today, the prior hobbyist/startup subscription type is no longer available for renewal or new subscriptions. By the end of your existing term, you'll need to choose from the subscription types below: Fusion 360 for personal use (new) For non-commercial use only. You'll have access to everything you need for personal projects including all the design, engineering, documentation, and manufacturing capabilities included in a current Fusion 360 commercial subscription.
Access to collaboration, data management capabilities, and commercial software translators (NX, Catia, Solidworks, Creo, and Inventor) is not included. Also, support is provided through our community forums for this subscription type. If you'd like to continue with Fusion 360 for personal use, please follow these instructions to convert to the new offering. Data management capabilities - No clue what this means. Commercial software translators - This sucks if you get a file in one of those formats. Am I missing something? Looks like I will still be able to create and 3D print my stuff. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 5:22:17 PM EDT
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It doesn't sound like they are limiting much. Access to collaboration - I've only use this once with a friend. I guess will be emailing files instead. Data management capabilities - No clue what this means. Commercial software translators - This sucks if you get a file in one of those formats. Am I missing something? Looks like I will still be able to create and 3D print my stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted:
It doesn't sound like they are limiting much. Fusion 360 hobbyist/startup subscribers: Action is required by the end of your term! Effective today, the prior hobbyist/startup subscription type is no longer available for renewal or new subscriptions. By the end of your existing term, you'll need to choose from the subscription types below: Fusion 360 for personal use (new) For non-commercial use only. You'll have access to everything you need for personal projects including all the design, engineering, documentation, and manufacturing capabilities included in a current Fusion 360 commercial subscription.
Access to collaboration, data management capabilities, and commercial software translators (NX, Catia, Solidworks, Creo, and Inventor) is not included. Also, support is provided through our community forums for this subscription type. If you'd like to continue with Fusion 360 for personal use, please follow these instructions to convert to the new offering. Data management capabilities - No clue what this means. Commercial software translators - This sucks if you get a file in one of those formats. Am I missing something? Looks like I will still be able to create and 3D print my stuff. Nothing is for certain, I would just keep using Fusion360 |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 6:07:17 PM EDT
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Carveco.com is offering a new version of Artcam. It was rumored that they were going to offer a low or no cost version for non commercial users. But I can not find anything that confirms that to be true.
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Posted: 10/21/2019 8:15:32 PM EDT
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I think the fear is mainly if they neuter it more in the future. Nothing is for certain, I would just keep using Fusion360 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It doesn't sound like they are limiting much. Fusion 360 hobbyist/startup subscribers: Action is required by the end of your term! Effective today, the prior hobbyist/startup subscription type is no longer available for renewal or new subscriptions. By the end of your existing term, you'll need to choose from the subscription types below: Fusion 360 for personal use (new) For non-commercial use only. You'll have access to everything you need for personal projects including all the design, engineering, documentation, and manufacturing capabilities included in a current Fusion 360 commercial subscription.
Access to collaboration, data management capabilities, and commercial software translators (NX, Catia, Solidworks, Creo, and Inventor) is not included. Also, support is provided through our community forums for this subscription type. If you'd like to continue with Fusion 360 for personal use, please follow these instructions to convert to the new offering. Data management capabilities - No clue what this means. Commercial software translators - This sucks if you get a file in one of those formats. Am I missing something? Looks like I will still be able to create and 3D print my stuff. Nothing is for certain, I would just keep using Fusion360 |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 11:37:25 AM EDT
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I am going to move to FreeCAD.
1) it's free, as in free beer 2) it's not a cash cow for some bloated corporation that already has too much money 3) it's fully scritpable - you can make your own commands, and even copy and modify (extend) the built-in ones. 4) it's free |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 12:11:31 PM EDT
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I am going to move to FreeCAD. 1) it's free, as in free beer 2) it's not a cash cow for some bloated corporation that already has too much money 3) it's fully scritpable - you can make your own commands, and even copy and modify (extend) the built-in ones. 4) it's free |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 12:34:20 PM EDT
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Currently it is the "other format " translations that are sticking in my craw the most. I was trying to learn it, and as such downloading free models from anywhere I could get them just to see what could be done. Now if it isn't available in f360 format I might or might not be able to open it.
As others have said, this is a blatant money grab aimed at all of the hobbyists who might make a little money on the side. I support their right to do whatever they like with their software, but I don't have to support them for it. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:25:43 PM EDT
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In all fairness, the capability and built-ins that have been added to Fusion in the last couple years is incredible.
It has grown from a much more basic CAD modeling program to something insanely capable. They have teams of folks who are dedicated to work on the program for updates and new features. For the capability of so much wrapped into one program, I can see how they can't give away the farm for free. Its just so much more than it was years ago. |
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Posted: 11/6/2019 4:42:04 PM EDT
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What is the best format to save Fusion 360 files locally. I want something generic that can be accessed by other CAD programs in the future or for sharing.
I already have CAD drawings going back about 20yrs. As my inventory of tools and skills continue to grow I like to revisit those projects and actually build some. As software gets outdated and replaced, I lose a few files here and there. Would like to somewhat future proof my work. |
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Posted: 11/6/2019 4:53:29 PM EDT
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What is the best format to save Fusion 360 files locally. I want something generic that can be accessed by other CAD programs in the future or for sharing. I already have CAD drawings going back about 20yrs. As my inventory of tools and skills continue to grow I like to revisit those projects and actually build some. As software gets outdated and replaced, I lose a few files here and there. Would like to somewhat future proof my work. .iges .step .stl |
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Posted: 11/6/2019 5:00:41 PM EDT
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For backup, I would export in .iges .step .stl You'll have to forgive my ignorance a bit as I have always used and had access to the same program. Only time I dealt with exporting in a different format has been to farm out waterjetting or cnc machining and I just provided what was asked for. |
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Posted: 11/6/2019 5:04:41 PM EDT
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What are you backing up?
dxf is a 2D drawing format. You should backup the whole model. |
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Posted: 11/6/2019 5:21:56 PM EDT
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What are you backing up? dxf is a 2D drawing format. You should backup the whole model. |
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Posted: 11/6/2019 6:33:36 PM EDT
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You sure can save any drawings you have as dxf, as you should be able to import that into any CAD program.
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