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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:24:54 PM EDT
[#1]
You may be missing the point of the IRS.
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:25:41 PM EDT
[#2]
Aside from the mathematical issues that make it a nonstarter, it doesn’t work well at all for businesses, you haven’t made it clear that you’re going to extend it to nonprofits, and they can call ways accuse you of lying about your income.
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:25:49 PM EDT
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no, it wouldn't. you still have to deal with the businesses that expense stuff
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:26:01 PM EDT
[#4]
How would it be different that way?
Not that flat tax is a bad idea. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:26:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: Forgot any other pros and cons. If everyone payed the exact same percentage of their income in Fed taxes, wouldn't it make it impossible to use the IRS to target enemies of any administration? No. The problems all come from calculating income for people that aren't all W2. If you want a tax that can't be weaponized (easily at least) then look at the land tax. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:28:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. The problems all come from calculating income for people that aren't all W2. If you want a tax that can't be weaponized (easily at least) then look at the land tax. A tax that discourages property ownership? Fine institute that then tie voting rights to it. Unless you own real property (as an individual) and pay the tax on it you do not get to vote in local/state/national elections. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:30:17 PM EDT
[#7]
National sales tax.
Stop taxing productivity. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:30:52 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: National sales tax. Stop taxing productivity. If your major goal is having a smaller economy that’s a good one. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:33:36 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You may be missing the point of the IRS. And the control & fear that it wields... |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:34:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:34:43 PM EDT
[#11]
Without taxes what would the politicians talking points be when they run for office? All part of the fucking game
these cocksuckers play. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:35:19 PM EDT
[#12]
FairTax was an interesting idea but it would be fought against tooth and nail...
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:35:57 PM EDT
[#13]
National sales tax locked in forever at 8%. Nothing else, ever.
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:36:13 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryAgain, that’s the easy way to have a smaller economy. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:36:16 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If your major goal is having a smaller economy that’s a good one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: National sales tax. Stop taxing productivity. If your major goal is having a smaller economy that’s a good one. No, not really. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:36:22 PM EDT
[#16]
You are always going to have some percentage of people that lie or refuse to remit no matter what the structure is. National sales tax shrinks the number of remitters significantly but a flat tax with no deductions in theory should be easier to live with policywise.
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:37:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:37:26 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: National sales tax locked in forever at 8%. Nothing else, ever. How are you going to reduce federal spending to 1/8th it’s current rate? |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:38:09 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, not really. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: National sales tax. Stop taxing productivity. If your major goal is having a smaller economy that’s a good one. No, not really. Would you buy more things or fewer things with a 23% sales tax? |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:38:28 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted: Forgot any other pros and cons. If everyone payed the exact same percentage of their income in Fed taxes, wouldn't it make it impossible to use the IRS to target enemies of any administration? The tax laws are written to allow deductions and loopholes for the "haves", not the "have nots". The elites have no interest in a flat tax that makes them pay a full percentage, with no way of getting out of it. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:39:25 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A tax that discourages property ownership? Fine institute that then tie voting rights to it. Unless you own real property (as an individual) and pay the tax on it you do not get to vote in local/state/national elections. I think we lost the right to do this—brilliant as it may be—when Lee failed to take the high ground on June 1, 1863 at Gettysburg. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:39:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would you buy more things or fewer things with a 23% sales tax? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: National sales tax. Stop taxing productivity. If your major goal is having a smaller economy that’s a good one. No, not really. Would you buy more things or fewer things with a 23% sales tax? More, because I’d be paying less in income taxes, not to mention property taxes, existing sales taxes, capital gains taxes, etc. I’d come out ahead net net. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:39:41 PM EDT
[#23]
Laughs in Laffer Curve
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:39:59 PM EDT
[#24]
No. We should end the taxation of personal income altogether, and reduce the size and scope of government to something more like what the founding by fathers envisioned.
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:40:41 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A tax that discourages property ownership? Fine institute that then tie voting rights to it. Unless you own real property (as an individual) and pay the tax on it you do not get to vote in local/state/national elections. There is no deadweight loss from land taxes. Except the actual cost of collection. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:41:59 PM EDT
[#26]
Percentage is irrelevant. Reported income is another matter.
Sales tax would probably be the best way but i bet lots of people would skate on that. The only real way to solve the problem is no taxes at all. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:42:33 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How are you going to reduce federal spending to 1/8th it’s current rate? Mandatory balanced budget. If you don’t have the money, tuff shit. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:42:58 PM EDT
[#28]
Flat tax rate is wrong wrong wrong. Whenever you get away from everyone paying the same AMOUNT, you are embracing socialism.
As it is, we need to cap the amount that people pay taxes on or at least reduce the rate with increasing income. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:43:00 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: National sales tax. Stop taxing productivity. This. The rich would pay more, the poor would pay less. Undocumented workers would pay taxes. Tourists would pay taxes. Drug dealers would pay taxes. Meanwhile, the IRS, which costs how many billions to keep running, would no longer be needed. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:43:08 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How are you going to reduce federal spending to 1/8th it’s current rate? Fire them all |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:43:29 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: More, because I’d be paying less in income taxes, not to mention property taxes, existing sales taxes, capital gains taxes, etc. I’d come out ahead net net. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: National sales tax. Stop taxing productivity. If your major goal is having a smaller economy that’s a good one. No, not really. Would you buy more things or fewer things with a 23% sales tax? More, because I’d be paying less in income taxes, not to mention property taxes, existing sales taxes, capital gains taxes, etc. I’d come out ahead net net. You pay most of those other taxes to state, county, municipality and other jurisdictions. They aren’t going away. We know from places that have the VAT that people reduce their consumer spending, increase their savings, and the economies tend to be smaller. So it 1% growth is for you, by all means. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:43:30 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: More, because I’d be paying less in income taxes, not to mention property taxes, existing sales taxes, capital gains taxes, etc. I’d come out ahead net net. The only people that pay that rate are the top 0.1%. But if that's you then I could see why you'd want to shift the tax burden off you and onto people that work for a living. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:43:55 PM EDT
[#33]
Repeal the 16th A.
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:44:04 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The tax laws are written to allow deductions and loopholes for the "haves", not the "have nots". The elites have no interest in a flat tax that makes them pay a full percentage, with no way of getting out of it. The full 10% or whatever? That would be a huge tax cut for the 1% and a huge tac increase for basically everyone else. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:44:27 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No. We should end the taxation of personal income altogether, and reduce the size and scope of government to something more like what the founding by fathers envisioned. An interesting philosophical enterprise but you’d struggle to get 10% of Americans aboard. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:44:58 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You may be missing the point of the IRS. Concur. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:45:03 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mandatory balanced budget. If you don’t have the money, tuff shit. What hard choices are you willing to make and how are you going to keep the people who will literally starve to death from stopping you? |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:45:33 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You may be missing the point of the IRS. No shit! 
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:45:37 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. The rich would pay more, the poor would pay less. Undocumented workers would pay taxes. Tourists would pay taxes. Drug dealers would pay taxes. Meanwhile, the IRS, which costs how many billions to keep running, would no longer be needed. Bullshit. A 25% sales tax would hit about 90% of people harder and the only people that would benefit are people that invest their money rather than consume it. The IRS was only like $14B last year. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:45:37 PM EDT
[#40]
Taxation is theft.
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:45:45 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fire them all Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How are you going to reduce federal spending to 1/8th it’s current rate? Fire them all Fire grandma from her social security? |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:46:24 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Would you buy more things or fewer things with a 23% sales tax? If that was the ONLY tax paid, I’d come out ahead |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:46:43 PM EDT
[#43]
taxation is theft.
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:46:50 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only people that pay that rate are the top 0.1%. But if that's you then I could see why you'd want to shift the tax burden off you and onto people that work for a living. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: More, because I’d be paying less in income taxes, not to mention property taxes, existing sales taxes, capital gains taxes, etc. I’d come out ahead net net. The only people that pay that rate are the top 0.1%. But if that's you then I could see why you'd want to shift the tax burden off you and onto people that work for a living. Add up what you pay in federal, state, sales tax, property tax, capital gains, etc. You may be surprised. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:47:45 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Flat tax rate is wrong wrong wrong. Whenever you get away from everyone paying the same AMOUNT, you are embracing socialism. As it is, we need to cap the amount that people pay taxes on or at least reduce the rate with increasing income. Can you afford to pay $24,000 for yourself and each member of your family? Or assuming spending is halved, and you afford to pay $12,000 each? |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:48:52 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If that was the ONLY tax paid, I’d come out ahead It wouldn’t be. You’d still owe all your state and local taxes. Do you pay more than 23% of your income to the federal government? Very few people do. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:49:32 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fire grandma from her social security? Ss aint that big a chunk and probably gets wasted on administration. 
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:49:37 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Add up what you pay in federal, state, sales tax, property tax, capital gains, etc. You may be surprised. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: More, because I’d be paying less in income taxes, not to mention property taxes, existing sales taxes, capital gains taxes, etc. I’d come out ahead net net. The only people that pay that rate are the top 0.1%. But if that's you then I could see why you'd want to shift the tax burden off you and onto people that work for a living. Add up what you pay in federal, state, sales tax, property tax, capital gains, etc. You may be surprised. Why are you assuming that a new federal tax structure will replace taxes you pay to your municipality, county and water district? |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:49:55 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The full 10% or whatever? That would be a huge tax cut for the 1% and a huge tac increase for basically everyone else. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The tax laws are written to allow deductions and loopholes for the "haves", not the "have nots". The elites have no interest in a flat tax that makes them pay a full percentage, with no way of getting out of it. The full 10% or whatever? That would be a huge tax cut for the 1% and a huge tac increase for basically everyone else. I don't believe that it would stop at 10%. According to the data, the top 50% pay at least 16%, and they also pay 96.9% of all taxes paid. A 10% tax would be a cut for the entire top half, and it would NOT create as much tax revenue as we currently take in. You and I both know that .gov ain't gonna go without its money, so if we wanted a flat tax that matched current revenue, the tax rate would have to be at least 20%, if not higher. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:50:02 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What hard choices are you willing to make and how are you going to keep the people who will literally starve to death from stopping you? Vastly reduce useless government programs and employees. Reduce representative pay by 50%. Death penalty for taking a bribe or kickback. No one will starve. The amount of money the government wastes is insane. |
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