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Posted: 10/3/2023 3:32:10 PM EDT
Fifty-five Chinese sailors are feared dead after their nuclear submarine 'got caught in a trap intended to ensnare British sub-surface vessels in the Yellow Sea'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12589593/Fifty-five-Chinese-sailors-feared-dead-nuclear-submarine-got-caught-trap-intended-ensnare-British-sub-surface-vessels-Yellow-Sea.html



Fifty-five Chinese sailors are feared dead after their nuclear submarine apparently got caught in a trap intended to ensnare British sub-surface vessels in the Yellow Sea.

According to a secret UK report the seamen died following a catastrophic failure of the submarine's oxygen systems which poisoned the crew.

The captain of the Chinese PLA Navy submarine '093-417' is understood to be among the deceased, as are 21 other officers.
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Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:33:09 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:34:58 PM EDT
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Good, one less we will have to deal with.  No tears here.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:35:19 PM EDT
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Lots of the Yellow Sea is shallow....

I wonder if we paid a visit....
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:35:43 PM EDT
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So... Booby trapped their front door then went through said door.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:35:52 PM EDT
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We had a thread on this a few weeks back after a big OSINT guy tweeted and then retracted his tweet.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:37:14 PM EDT
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I'm a bit confused after reading that - did the sub surface after everyone died?
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:37:50 PM EDT
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Thomas Dolby - Sole Inhabitant Podcast (#2 One of Our Submarines)
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:38:55 PM EDT
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You can't see the tears are real, I'm crying
(Yes I'm crying)
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:39:20 PM EDT
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I'm a bit confused after reading that - did the sub surface after everyone died?
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That's what I want to know, also nowhere in the article is the normal crew compliment mentioned.  I guess I could Google it.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:41:26 PM EDT
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Is this the same sub we had a thread about a few weeks ago? The one where the story just kind of died and faded away?

Also, the Chinese put a net under water to fuck with other ships, only to get hung up in it themselves? LOL!
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:43:45 PM EDT
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Are we allowed to cheer for the death of our enemy here, or are they off limits?
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:44:29 PM EDT
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They died in their own trap?
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:45:30 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:46:20 PM EDT
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Oh, I saw that cartoon!

Except it had some bird and a mangy dog in it?
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:47:50 PM EDT
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So they got killed by their own trap, they don't have these 'traps' on their charts?
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:47:57 PM EDT
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Something else that I don't have to give a fuck about.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:47:58 PM EDT
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I don't believe it was designed to catch British subs.

But it seems like it works
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:51:28 PM EDT
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I thought we have a treaty expressly not to do that? To weaponize the sea floor?
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:51:34 PM EDT
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These things happen.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:52:57 PM EDT
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That’s a pretty hardcore way to test your own trap.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:53:10 PM EDT
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Yep, looks like he was on to something although I beleive it was originally reported in area between China and Taiwan. I watched marine traffic for a few days but didn't see any notable differences in the area.

I think it ended up being further North of there in between China and North Korea.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:53:21 PM EDT
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So they’re caught in a trap.
They can’t walk out?
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:54:24 PM EDT
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Is this the same sub we had a thread about a few weeks ago? The one where the story just kind of died and faded away?

Also, the Chinese put a net under water to fuck with other ships, only to get hung up in it themselves? LOL!
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Makes me want to follow the dude who brought this up then had to dismiss it when nothing followed
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:55:36 PM EDT
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That's what I was thinking.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:56:52 PM EDT
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In my mind, I'm picturing a submarine sized Chinese finger trap.

Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:56:53 PM EDT
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Good, one less we will have to deal with.  No tears here.
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Reads like they saved the sub but lost half the crew - must have let them asphyxiate in some compartments?
They only have about 600 million more screaming chinamen to replace them with.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 3:59:37 PM EDT
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I would think it would be a big no-no to mine or booby-trap international waters.

(Whether China overreaches and considers them to not be International waters is not relevant if everyone else says they are.)
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:00:01 PM EDT
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Because they love you long time baby.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:00:23 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:00:45 PM EDT
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Oh well guess they paid the price.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:01:04 PM EDT
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Lots of the Yellow Sea is shallow....

I wonder if we paid a visit....
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Average depth of 145', max depth of 500' - yep pretty shallow considering the type 93 submarine is like 36' tall.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:01:21 PM EDT
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Yep, looks like he was on to something although I beleive it was originally reported in area between China and Taiwan. I watched marine traffic for a few days but didn't see any notable differences in the area.

I think it ended up being further North of there in between China and North Korea.
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FWIW they happened to also be frantically searching for a submarine right around the time they would have realized the rumored lost one was missing.  Seems to have been unannounced, they said afterwards it was an exercise.

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BEIJING, Aug 31 (Reuters) - China's military said it had recently held intensive anti-submarine exercises in the strategically important South China Sea as part of efforts to hone its capabilities amid rising maritime tensions with its neighbours and their allies.

In an undisclosed area in the South China Sea, more than a dozen flights of anti-submarine patrol aircraft operated non-stop for more than 40 hours searching for submarines and simulating attacks, the Southern Command Theatre of China's People's Liberation Army said in a statement on Monday.

Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:04:22 PM EDT
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I would think it would be a big no-no to mine or booby-trap international waters.

(Whether China overreaches and considers them to not be International waters is not relevant if everyone else says they are.)
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I would think this would be a big deal.  But maybe we already knew they do that?  I dunno.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:04:51 PM EDT
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google says it has a crew compliment of 100 - but hard to say if that is how many were actually onboard.  Sad to see waste of life - but the sub appears to have been salvaged, presumably with little damage.  I assume China has plenty of replacement personnel.  
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:05:28 PM EDT
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As i said in the other thread about this…..GOOD.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:07:12 PM EDT
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I dont fear 50 chinese sailors are dead.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:08:02 PM EDT
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Shame the boat survived.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:08:57 PM EDT
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I would think it would be a big no-no to mine or booby-trap international waters.

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Hell, China pretty much claims everything from midway to Australia to India to Siberia as territorial waters.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:09:12 PM EDT
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So they're caught in a trap.
They can't walk out?
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So they're caught in a trap.
They can't walk out?

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You can't see the tears are real, I'm crying
(Yes I'm crying)


Why can't you see
What you're doing to me


Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:10:14 PM EDT
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China has Egg Foo Young all over it's face on this one.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:17:21 PM EDT
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R i.p, but now I want to listen to some Elvis.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:20:01 PM EDT
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They died in their own trap?
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I believe it's called "hoisted by one's own petard."
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:26:25 PM EDT
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Interesting, what does this trap look like?
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:38:45 PM EDT
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Interesting, what does this trap look like?
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I'm curious how the British and or USA discover these traps. Hats off to the first sonar guy to figure this out.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:47:37 PM EDT
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I'm curious how the British and or USA discover these traps. Hats off to the first sonar guy to figure this out.
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Interesting, what does this trap look like?


I'm curious how the British and or USA discover these traps. Hats off to the first sonar guy to figure this out.


If it's a chain, it likely clinks.

Or they could bust out the HF sonar for mine detection.  Which can be heard by others.  

That shallow, would a blue/green LIDAR work?
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:48:37 PM EDT
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R i.p, but now I want to listen to some Elvis.
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The judges would have also accepted Dwight Yoakum....
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:51:14 PM EDT
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I thought we have a treaty expressly not to do that? To weaponize the sea floor?
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I have no idea, but do you really think China cares or would follow it?
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:56:29 PM EDT
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The article says “22 officers, 7 officer cadets, 9 petty officers, 17 sailors.”
That sounds like a weird crew compliment, VERY too heavy. Can any navy guys say if this is similar in our navy?
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 4:57:32 PM EDT
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I have no idea, but do you really think China cares or would follow it?
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I thought we have a treaty expressly not to do that? To weaponize the sea floor?


I have no idea, but do you really think China cares or would follow it?



Chinese doesn't really recognize any treaties- ex. see also their fishing fleet which ought to be sunk in its entirety, along with the crews and their escort vessels.
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