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Posted: 4/12/2021 3:52:38 PM EDT
I ask for a quote for a few parts to build uppers, barrels, upper receivers, bcg's about 10 each, the distributer (will keep it under raps for now) call the feds saying my request was strange, and they called me saying if I was going to build uppers, I needed a Manufacturer's license.... after 9 minutes conversation he told me that he was satisfied and was not going to pursue the case... WTF? do I need a license to put uppers together? as far as I know only firearms require a license are they considering uppers as firearms now?
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They are just getting in some practice before the EO that any gun part is a gun.
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Why the super secret squirrel shit on the vendor. I'd like to know who NOT to do business with
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very popular here, don't want to say anything before speaking to an attorney...
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Popular or not, if this is how they do business..... I'd hope we wouldn't support them!
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I suspect the employee was new and not versed in gun law. Call to Gmen was out of ignorance.
Lawyer? How were you harmed? Generally can't bring a case without harm being demonstrated. |
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Quoted: I suspect the employee was new and not versed in gun law. Call to Gmen was out of ignorance. Lawyer? How were you harmed? Generally can't bring a case without harm being demonstrated. View Quote Want to know if I did anything wrong ( I don't believe so) I just want to hear from a professional.. |
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That's the type of response that warrants dropping the name of that vendor / distributor.
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Guys you are missing the point of my question
"do I need a license to put uppers together? as far as I know only firearms require a license are they considering uppers as firearms now?" and yes I'm pretty mad at those fuckers, but I won't say the name until I speak with an attorney. |
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You don't need a FFL to assemble uppers.
Fed was dumb so was the company. |
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Quoted: Guys you are missing the point of my question "do I need a license to put uppers together? as far as I know only firearms require a license are they considering uppers as firearms now?" and yes I'm pretty mad at those fuckers, but I won't say the name until I speak with an attorney. View Quote From the ATF website: An individual who is licensed to engage in the business of manufacturing, importing and/or dealing in firearms. Persons must be licensed by ATF to engage in the business of firearms. That's not you, based on what you posted. Upper receiver groups aren't firearms. Technically neither are lower receivers. |
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No, AR15 uppers are not firearms and you don't need a license to build them or order them over the internet.
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What exactly is a lawyer gonna tell you? Your not making the parts, your assembling them. Vendor was a douche.
Don't get not ratting out the vendor. They basically redflagged you. I'd sure the fuck would want to know who it was. |
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You’re in the clear.
Tagged for the name of the vendor so that they never receive a red cent from me. What lunacy. |
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Quoted: You are going to pay an attorney for what exactly? View Quote as soon as the officer start going over the list of items of my quote, I stop him and said those are not firearms, he agreed but said it was a grey area, since I was putting them together it would be best to just apply for a manufacturer license, he went as far as telling me the cost of the license and that it would last for 3 years, I don't believe I did anything wrong but I just want to be sure.... that's why I'm willing to pay for an attorneys advise.. |
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Quoted: Guys you are missing the point of my question "do I need a license to put uppers together? as far as I know only firearms require a license are they considering uppers as firearms now?" and yes I'm pretty mad at those fuckers, but I won't say the name until I speak with an attorney. View Quote If you really cared you wouldn’t be posting this shit on ARFCOM. Maybe check with your lawyer first? |
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NAME THE DAMN VENDOR OP.
AT LEAST that will give them a chance to respond, as it may very well be as simple as a case of gun law illiterate employee. Then vendor has chance to remedy the situation without unnecessarily taking a hit for an otherwise bad decision that might in this case be a one off event due to said illiterate employee. On the other hand, if this vendor has a history of doing this kind of shit, then may the fleas of a 1000 camels infest their collective manginas. |
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WTF? Everything about this seems off. Why the hell would a vendor call the feds about a guy buying upper receiver parts? Why would feds give a shit about a guy building uppers?
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If the vendor doesn't need to ship the parts to an FFL, then you don't need a license to buy them, possess them or assemble them.
You MIGHT need a business license in your state to sell them. |
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If you're not going to name the vendor, I'm going to call this attention seeking bullshit.
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He's not going to name the vendor, because his order is still in process.
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I wonder if there is a lot more to the conversation between OP and the vendor that he didn’t describe? There are plenty of people on this site who have bought it unregulated parts in bulk.
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Maybe they were inquiring about the child porn instead of the uppers?
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Quoted: as soon as the officer start going over the list of items of my quote, I stop him and said those are not firearms, he agreed but said it was a grey area, since I was putting them together it would be best to just apply for a manufacturer license, he went as far as telling me the cost of the license and that it would last for 3 years, I don't believe I did anything wrong but I just want to be sure.... that's why I'm willing to pay for an attorneys advise.. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: You are going to pay an attorney for what exactly? as soon as the officer start going over the list of items of my quote, I stop him and said those are not firearms, he agreed but said it was a grey area, since I was putting them together it would be best to just apply for a manufacturer license, he went as far as telling me the cost of the license and that it would last for 3 years, I don't believe I did anything wrong but I just want to be sure.... that's why I'm willing to pay for an attorneys advise.. You ordering parts for 10 upper builds made them think you are building firearms to resell them. I don't know the law in this "grey area" as he put it but it was a shit move on the part of who every you placed the order with. In for the name. |
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Quoted: I ask for a quote for a few parts to build uppers, barrels, upper receivers, bcg's about 10 each, the distributer (will keep it under raps for now) call the feds saying my request was strange, and they called me saying if I was going to build uppers, I needed a Manufacturer's license.... after 9 minutes conversation he told me that he was satisfied and was not going to pursue the case... WTF? do I need a license to put uppers together? as far as I know only firearms require a license are they considering uppers as firearms now? View Quote Who ratted you out? |
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Quoted: Guys you are missing the point of my question "do I need a license to put uppers together? as far as I know only firearms require a license are they considering uppers as firearms now?" and yes I'm pretty mad at those fuckers, but I won't say the name until I speak with an attorney. View Quote Why? |
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Quoted: I wonder if there is a lot more to the conversation between OP and the vendor that he didn’t describe? There are plenty of people on this site who have bought it unregulated parts in bulk. View Quote This right here. You think with the volume of orders a company big enough to be a site sponsor has, some lowly sales rep has a spare moment to stop and scratch his head at 10 BCGs and some assorted upper parts? |
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