Federal Court Strikes Down NFA Registration on "untaxed" firearms (Page 186 of 194)
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Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: https://media2.giphy.com/media/9PAIhJvcQ35hdZPUir/200.webp?cid=8dc8958cg25xoueqo7gtbbu5kuibb1i70oaa7hssnhmc25ug&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200.webp&ct=g Nope. Now you need more of the muzzle devices at $80 each, another ASR mount, and 5.56 low back pressure can.  Yep  24 plan b muzzle devices so far. Short on 1/2 x28 ones too. It will break you. Moving forward with OTC 4473 cans I’m buying dedicated cans for guns. I’ll probably own 10 polonium’s/Ks by the time I’m done. I’ll just rocksett them to the gun and leave it |
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Originally Posted By HKH: Yep 24 plan b muzzle devices so far. Short on 1/2 x28 ones too. It will break you. Moving forward with OTC 4473 cans I’m buying dedicated cans for guns. I’ll probably own 10 polonium’s/Ks by the time I’m done. I’ll just rocksett them to the gun and leave it Originally Posted By HKH: Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: https://media2.giphy.com/media/9PAIhJvcQ35hdZPUir/200.webp?cid=8dc8958cg25xoueqo7gtbbu5kuibb1i70oaa7hssnhmc25ug&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200.webp&ct=g Nope. Now you need more of the muzzle devices at $80 each, another ASR mount, and 5.56 low back pressure can. Yep 24 plan b muzzle devices so far. Short on 1/2 x28 ones too. It will break you. Moving forward with OTC 4473 cans I’m buying dedicated cans for guns. I’ll probably own 10 polonium’s/Ks by the time I’m done. I’ll just rocksett them to the gun and leave it Going dedicated and just leaving them on there makes life and shooting so much more enjoyable lol |
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Originally Posted By Tn_Huntaholic: I wish I could figure out how to post that Mel Gibson clip from Bravehearrt with him riding his horse and shouting FREEDOM! I cant, so all I can say is I never thought Id see the day when I could walk in, buy a suppressor, and walk out in less than 5 minutes! WELCOME TO TENNESSEE, THE PATRON STATE OF SHOOTING STUFF QUIETLY! 
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Originally Posted By Glocked: Going dedicated and just leaving them on there makes life and shooting so much more enjoyable lol Once we get on a little more solid legal ground I'm probably going to dedicate a full year of "gun stuff" budget to getting cans for things that need them and supporting ammo/accessories to make it all work. Also I have a sudden and mighty need to see how quiet a .45-70 lever gun can get. Never know when you'll need to do some discreet pest control on an invasive crocodile or errant buffalo or something 
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Anyone in KY doing 4473 transfers yet? Preferably Louisville area. Sling Point Firearms in Georgetown, Ky Just did mine. In and out in 5 minutes. Did not ask for my GOA Membership Number. Transfer fee was $0. They are Silencer Shop ONLY. Doesn’t matter about brand, just that the return address is from SS. |
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Originally Posted By HKH: Moving forward with OTC 4473 cans I’m buying dedicated cans for guns. I’ll probably own 10 polonium’s/Ks by the time I’m done. You should have been doing that since January, since a Form 4 and a Form 4473 cost exactly the same.  |
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First 4473 Suppressor for me, total of 15 min and out the door. I love my free state. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Soxfan: First 4473 Suppressor for me, total of 15 min and out the door. I love my free state. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/198919/IMG_9300_jpeg-3825915.JPG Freedom cans |
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Originally Posted By HKH: More taxes to exercise a right But it’s better than nothing I reckon Follow T/C's lead in pay the tax then sue for reimbursement under Grosjean v. American Press Co. for a tax on an enumerated right and Bruen that suppressors are in common use. Maybe an easy win for our new GOAdzilla.
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Originally Posted By CZRider: Once we get on a little more solid legal ground I'm probably going to dedicate a full year of "gun stuff" budget to getting cans for things that need them and supporting ammo/accessories to make it all work. Also I have a sudden and mighty need to see how quiet a .45-70 lever gun can get. Never know when you'll need to do some discreet pest control on an invasive crocodile or errant buffalo or something  
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Originally Posted By M4Madness: You should have been doing that since January, since a Form 4 and a Form 4473 cost exactly the same. I’ve got 13 now….I know it’s slacking. Problem is I need two more 8.6 if I’m gonna slave them to every host. I’ve been using certain 30 cal cans in my main 556 guns due to the absolute quiet nature and flow through. for general 556 work you can’t beat a POLO nor the cost. It’s just a bit gassy BTW 8.6 352gn expanders do the darndest things to a coyotes face.
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Originally Posted By Soxfan: First 4473 Suppressor for me, total of 15 min and out the door. I love my free state. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/198919/IMG_9300_jpeg-3825915.JPG Where’s shop mang? I’ve been to the Armory in Chattanooga and Smoky Knife works in Sevierville for my two |
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Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Not a great pic, but….GOA member here https://i.imgur.com/eXrUBP6.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/SojRZfE.jpeg AAC 300 upper on a MARS-L nicely done. |
 Breaking - The ATF Has Published New Guidance On Silencers ?? Also...
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Originally Posted By CZRider: Once we get on a little more solid legal ground I'm probably going to dedicate a full year of "gun stuff" budget to getting cans for things that need them and supporting ammo/accessories to make it all work. Also I have a sudden and mighty need to see how quiet a .45-70 lever gun can get. Never know when you'll need to do some discreet pest control on an invasive crocodile or errant buffalo or something A 45-70 would definitely take the wind out of a home intruder. |
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Originally Posted By NoImpactNoIdea: I am curious if you would share the name of this shop...many people stuck here are interested. @NoImpactNoIdea Ran down the rumor another couple levels, still nothing first hand, but I am believing it because I can see several ways around the state law. If nothing else it kind of resets the state situation to 15 years ago where ownership was fine, use was not. Or there is a pretty good argument that “registered and owned in accordance with federal law” can be interpreted as- Feds don’t require the registration anymore for those lawsuit member groups, so it is in accordance with federal law…. Anyhow, if I was looking at the situation in the field, I sure the hell would not touch it on making an arrest, and a smart DA would not touch it either for prosecution. But I have seen an academy instructor tell students that a Mossberg Cruiser (18”) was an SBS, so you know how that goes sometimes…..(yes I pitched a bitch and interrupted scenario training to unfuck the academy instructor on that- they were my agency’s trainees after all. And he also had no idea what a 14” Shockwave or Tac-14 was). Anyhow- Sporting Systems in Vancouver, 4473 via the WSP background system is what I heard…. Folks need to keep in mind that this just means someone ends up on a backdoor WA registry, with a $36 dollar background fee, which takes 2 weeks minimum, versus a zero dollar federal registration that takes maybe 3 days. Plus with a form 4 copy you are GTG for LE interactions, vs needing to seriously educate someone on the issue for a 4473’d can with no paperwork. Regardless- it is a good first step. But like I said, I think this is the year to stock up….can’t trust the majority party state politicians at all not to go after suppressors…. |
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| can some one please explain to me how a court ruling can nullify laws and regulations for a certain class and not everyone. if the regulations were found to be unconstitutional that should apply to all legal citizens not just members of a group that sued. while i am 100% happy we got what we got i just can't wrap my head around this. |
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Anyone in KY doing 4473 transfers yet? Preferably Louisville area. Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Anyone in KY doing 4473 transfers yet? Preferably Louisville area. I've been doing them for about a month now, but we're on the TN line about 2 hours from Louisville. Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: can some one please explain to me how a court ruling can nullify laws and regulations for a certain class and not everyone. if the regulations were found to be unconstitutional that should apply to all legal citizens not just members of a group that sued. while i am 100% happy we got what we got i just can't wrap my head around this. They can only rule for the plaintiff group. The SC ruled on this a few months ago, but it basically put a stop to the random Federal judges issuing broad injunctions for the whole country. Overall, it's a good thing and will stop activist judges from trying to undermine Trump's platform. But for this case, it will require a follow up suit to expand the plaintiff group nationwide, which may take a few months. |
| TBS, I believe it has to do with a court at a certain level not being able to make a nationwide injunction, and is limited only to the plaintiffs. It will be up to a higher court to make it effective nationwide, though I don't know that it's on the case's merits, but rather an equal protection under law basis. |
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Originally Posted By Glocked: Going dedicated and just leaving them on there makes life and shooting so much more enjoyable lol Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By HKH: Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: https://media2.giphy.com/media/9PAIhJvcQ35hdZPUir/200.webp?cid=8dc8958cg25xoueqo7gtbbu5kuibb1i70oaa7hssnhmc25ug&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200.webp&ct=g Nope. Now you need more of the muzzle devices at $80 each, another ASR mount, and 5.56 low back pressure can. Yep 24 plan b muzzle devices so far. Short on 1/2 x28 ones too. It will break you. Moving forward with OTC 4473 cans I’m buying dedicated cans for guns. I’ll probably own 10 polonium’s/Ks by the time I’m done. I’ll just rocksett them to the gun and leave it Going dedicated and just leaving them on there makes life and shooting so much more enjoyable lol I just picked up a griffin gate lok hub mount, attempting to use it with 36 cal huxworx as my suppress the rest combo. A2s are cheap |
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Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: can some one please explain to me how a court ruling can nullify laws and regulations for a certain class and not everyone. if the regulations were found to be unconstitutional that should apply to all legal citizens not just members of a group that sued. while i am 100% happy we got what we got i just can't wrap my head around this. After the raft of activist judges issuing nationwide injunctions against various Trump policies, the Supreme Court placed limits on the District courts in Trump v. CASA. The Court in this case made the ruling as broad as it could, but was limited to acting upon the parties before it. |
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Originally Posted By lokt: TBS, I believe it has to do with a court at a certain level not being able to make a nationwide injunction, and is limited only to the plaintiffs. It will be up to a higher court to make it effective nationwide, though I don't know that it's on the case's merits, but rather an equal protection under law basis. I asked this exact question in another thread, and yes, it's a direct result of Trump v Casa, and the restrictions on nationwide injunctions that case placed on lower courts. Lower courts are now restricted to ruling only for the plaintiffs/defendants before them, and no one else. That does set up an "unequal protection under the law" scenario, it's almost guaranteed to go before the USSC for resolution. Being in the not-covered state of OH, I volunteer as tribute. |
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Originally Posted By HKH: Where’s shop mang? I’ve been to the Armory in Chattanooga and Smoky Knife works in Sevierville for my two Armory guns in Chatt. Hendersonville has one now which is closer for me. And now I can’t get this freaking keymo muzzle device off for direct thread. Going to try the soaking in water trick for now |
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Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: can some one please explain to me how a court ruling can nullify laws and regulations for a certain class and not everyone. if the regulations were found to be unconstitutional that should apply to all legal citizens not just members of a group that sued. while i am 100% happy we got what we got i just can't wrap my head around this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_v._CASA,_Inc. https://alec.org/article/universal-injunctions-no-more-how-the-federal-judiciary-has-been-fundamentally-changed/ |
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Originally Posted By Advance: Also...
This generally applies to items that would be AOW's, but are either antiques, collectibles, or other niche firearms. Things like line throwers, antique palm pistols, and the humane horse killer pistols come to mind. They're firearms, and would typically meet the definitions of an NFA item, but the ATF basically said they're exempt on a case by case basis. This clause really has nothing to do with removing suppressors from the NFRTR. |
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Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: can some one please explain to me how a court ruling can nullify laws and regulations for a certain class and not everyone. if the regulations were found to be unconstitutional that should apply to all legal citizens not just members of a group that sued. while i am 100% happy we got what we got i just can't wrap my head around this. The ruling is only final for the plaintiffs unless the gov't appeals before the 5th I believe is the date. If the gov't enters into a consent decree or settlement agreement saying the court is right, they could make this ruling apply to everyone. |
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Originally Posted By tac556: @NoImpactNoIdea Ran down the rumor another couple levels, still nothing first hand, but I am believing it because I can see several ways around the state law. If nothing else it kind of resets the state situation to 15 years ago where ownership was fine, use was not. Or there is a pretty good argument that “registered and owned in accordance with federal law” can be interpreted as- Feds don’t require the registration anymore for those lawsuit member groups, so it is in accordance with federal law…. Anyhow, if I was looking at the situation in the field, I sure the hell would not touch it on making an arrest, and a smart DA would not touch it either for prosecution. But I have seen an academy instructor tell students that a Mossberg Cruiser (18”) was an SBS, so you know how that goes sometimes…..(yes I pitched a bitch and interrupted scenario training to unfuck the academy instructor on that- they were my agency’s trainees after all. And he also had no idea what a 14” Shockwave or Tac-14 was). Anyhow- Sporting Systems in Vancouver, 4473 via the WSP background system is what I heard…. Folks need to keep in mind that this just means someone ends up on a backdoor WA registry, with a $36 dollar background fee, which takes 2 weeks minimum, versus a zero dollar federal registration that takes maybe 3 days. Plus with a form 4 copy you are GTG for LE interactions, vs needing to seriously educate someone on the issue for a 4473’d can with no paperwork. Regardless- it is a good first step. But like I said, I think this is the year to stock up….can’t trust the majority party state politicians at all not to go after suppressors…. I did some googling and came up with them, unfortunately they are a long ways from me...and like you said the WSP background check part. As much as I hate the Form 4 sillyness at least this seems to have shortened up the wait times considerably. |
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Originally Posted By graysonp: This generally applies to items that would be AOW's, but are either antiques, collectibles, or other niche firearms. Things like line throwers, antique palm pistols, and the humane horse killer pistols come to mind. They're firearms, and would typically meet the definitions of an NFA item, but the ATF basically said they're exempt on a case by case basis. This clause really has nothing to do with removing suppressors from the NFRTR. Originally Posted By graysonp: Originally Posted By Advance: Also...
This generally applies to items that would be AOW's, but are either antiques, collectibles, or other niche firearms. Things like line throwers, antique palm pistols, and the humane horse killer pistols come to mind. They're firearms, and would typically meet the definitions of an NFA item, but the ATF basically said they're exempt on a case by case basis. This clause really has nothing to do with removing suppressors from the NFRTR. He's getting clicks and making money. Who cares about the facts? |
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Originally Posted By graysonp: This generally applies to items that would be AOW's, but are either antiques, collectibles, or other niche firearms. Things like line throwers, antique palm pistols, and the humane horse killer pistols come to mind. They're firearms, and would typically meet the definitions of an NFA item, but the ATF basically said they're exempt on a case by case basis. This clause really has nothing to do with removing suppressors from the NFRTR. Originally Posted By graysonp: Originally Posted By Advance: Also...
This generally applies to items that would be AOW's, but are either antiques, collectibles, or other niche firearms. Things like line throwers, antique palm pistols, and the humane horse killer pistols come to mind. They're firearms, and would typically meet the definitions of an NFA item, but the ATF basically said they're exempt on a case by case basis. This clause really has nothing to do with removing suppressors from the NFRTR. Factory Winchester SBRs and the like have also been removed from the registry using the same procedure. |
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Originally Posted By NoImpactNoIdea: I did some googling and came up with them, unfortunately they are a long ways from me...and like you said the WSP background check part. As much as I hate the Form 4 sillyness at least this seems to have shortened up the wait times considerably. I even found my efile password and updated my info. |
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Finally  Picked up from the dealer in Springfield, MO and on my way back home with my can! I'd post a picture bbut that seems impossible on here. They show up when I preview the post and degrade into a link when I submit. I guess I'm too stupid. |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: Remember the joke about the Hawaii Judge being able to overrule the President Trump through nationwide injunctions? Well Trump won his case against one such instance and now universal nationwide injunctions are out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_v._CASA,_Inc. https://alec.org/article/universal-injunctions-no-more-how-the-federal-judiciary-has-been-fundamentally-changed/ Originally Posted By D_Man: Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: can some one please explain to me how a court ruling can nullify laws and regulations for a certain class and not everyone. if the regulations were found to be unconstitutional that should apply to all legal citizens not just members of a group that sued. while i am 100% happy we got what we got i just can't wrap my head around this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_v._CASA,_Inc. https://alec.org/article/universal-injunctions-no-more-how-the-federal-judiciary-has-been-fundamentally-changed/ Yeah, it's less that the judge can declare laws unconstitutional for a certain class and more that the judge can't extend relief in the form of an injunction outside the scope of the plaintiffs before him. So the judge can give the opinion that the law is unconstitutional and I'm sure he would tell you that unconstitutional for one means unconstitutional for all, but he cannot actually extend any legally enforceable protection beyond the scope of his district, because some dipshit in Hawaii kept trying to use the Aloha spirit to say Trump couldn't deport illegal gang-bangers or something. Thanks, Hawaii. |
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Id like to see more barrels come machined with the Q-taper. It seems to me to be a great idea. Muzzle adapters can easily be made to work with the taper. Probably wouldnt need a crush washer. Direct thread silencers will be more secure. Q-taper direct thead adapters would be cheap. If you want better adapters and QD nothing changes. A simple cheap adapter allows MD's with 90deg shoulders. What's not to like? |
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Originally Posted By CZRider: Once we get on a little more solid legal ground I'm probably going to dedicate a full year of "gun stuff" budget to getting cans for things that need them and supporting ammo/accessories to make it all work. Also I have a sudden and mighty need to see how quiet a .45-70 lever gun can get. Never know when you'll need to do some discreet pest control on an invasive crocodile or errant buffalo or something Originally Posted By CZRider: Originally Posted By Glocked: Going dedicated and just leaving them on there makes life and shooting so much more enjoyable lol Once we get on a little more solid legal ground I'm probably going to dedicate a full year of "gun stuff" budget to getting cans for things that need them and supporting ammo/accessories to make it all work. Also I have a sudden and mighty need to see how quiet a .45-70 lever gun can get. Never know when you'll need to do some discreet pest control on an invasive crocodile or errant buffalo or something I’ve run all kinds of 45-70 suppressed You can’t trade subs for supers and get the performance 45-70 is known for . |
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Originally Posted By SLRBoy: I've run all kinds of 45-70 suppressed You can't trade subs for supers and get the performance 45-70 is known for . Originally Posted By SLRBoy: Originally Posted By CZRider: Originally Posted By Glocked: Going dedicated and just leaving them on there makes life and shooting so much more enjoyable lol Once we get on a little more solid legal ground I'm probably going to dedicate a full year of "gun stuff" budget to getting cans for things that need them and supporting ammo/accessories to make it all work. Also I have a sudden and mighty need to see how quiet a .45-70 lever gun can get. Never know when you'll need to do some discreet pest control on an invasive crocodile or errant buffalo or something I've run all kinds of 45-70 suppressed You can't trade subs for supers and get the performance 45-70 is known for . |
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Originally Posted By hushpuppy26: Finally Picked up from the dealer in Springfield, MO and on my way back home with my can! I'd post a picture bbut that seems impossible on here. They show up when I preview the post and degrade into a link when I submit. I guess I'm too stupid. |
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Originally Posted By Cypher214: .45ACP-level performance is nothing to sneeze at, as long as it's close range. Originally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By SLRBoy: Originally Posted By CZRider: Originally Posted By Glocked: Going dedicated and just leaving them on there makes life and shooting so much more enjoyable lol Once we get on a little more solid legal ground I'm probably going to dedicate a full year of "gun stuff" budget to getting cans for things that need them and supporting ammo/accessories to make it all work. Also I have a sudden and mighty need to see how quiet a .45-70 lever gun can get. Never know when you'll need to do some discreet pest control on an invasive crocodile or errant buffalo or something I've run all kinds of 45-70 suppressed You can't trade subs for supers and get the performance 45-70 is known for . lol. You shoot a lot of 400+ grain bullets in your 45's? https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/rifle/45-70-government-gr-sub-x# |
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: lol. You shoot a lot of 400+ grain bullets in your 45's? https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/rifle/45-70-government-gr-sub-x# Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By SLRBoy: Originally Posted By CZRider: Originally Posted By Glocked: Going dedicated and just leaving them on there makes life and shooting so much more enjoyable lol Once we get on a little more solid legal ground I'm probably going to dedicate a full year of "gun stuff" budget to getting cans for things that need them and supporting ammo/accessories to make it all work. Also I have a sudden and mighty need to see how quiet a .45-70 lever gun can get. Never know when you'll need to do some discreet pest control on an invasive crocodile or errant buffalo or something I've run all kinds of 45-70 suppressed You can't trade subs for supers and get the performance 45-70 is known for . lol. You shoot a lot of 400+ grain bullets in your 45's? https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/rifle/45-70-government-gr-sub-x# I do in my 44mag. well not a lot they are expensive.
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Originally Posted By Oldgold: Been a member for three years. Mine hasn’t shown up yet. Originally Posted By Oldgold: Originally Posted By VacaDuck: GOA membership card finally came in. Took 38 days. Been a member for three years. Mine hasn’t shown up yet. Mine literally arrived today, about 30 days or so |
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Originally Posted By Soxfan: Mine literally arrived today, about 30 days or so Originally Posted By Soxfan: Originally Posted By Oldgold: Originally Posted By VacaDuck: GOA membership card finally came in. Took 38 days. Been a member for three years. Mine hasn't shown up yet. Mine literally arrived today, about 30 days or so |
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