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Posted: 11/30/2018 9:58:18 PM EDT

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2018/11/29/reports-israel-strikes-iran-linked-targets-in-syria/F16

Posted: 11/30/2018 10:10:46 PM EDT

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Israel adds ECM to the dorsal instead slapping an ALQ on the centerline. They need 3 bags to reach their enemies without tanking. Their ECM is proprietary.

Posted: 11/30/2018 10:10:48 PM EDT

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Looks like an ECM spine.

Posted: 11/30/2018 10:17:16 PM EDT

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ECM and a shitload of gas

Posted: 12/1/2018 7:13:56 PM EDT

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What everyone else said. It looks like this jet is just being delivered from the US.

Posted: 12/1/2018 9:30:37 PM EDT

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Shitload...for a Viper.

Posted: 12/1/2018 10:50:29 PM EDT

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Think of how much more gas you could have had in E without that NAV in the back!

Posted: 12/1/2018 11:52:05 PM EDT

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Posted: 12/2/2018 12:03:22 AM EDT

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F-16I Sufa. The guy in the back is necessary to operate the sensor and weapons systems. Targeting pods are usually carried on the sides of the intake. Usually, they also carry comfortable fuel tanks (CFT) on the upper fuselage on either side of the spine.

Posted: 12/2/2018 12:44:54 AM EDT

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The CFTs increase fuel capacity by 43 percent with very little negative effect on flight characteristics. Add three big drop tanks and total fuel capacity is more than double that of a clean F-16. Drop tank capacities are 300 (centerline) and 370 (wing) gallons per tank. Multiply by 6.9 to get capacity in pounds. An F-16's fuel capacity on internal stores is 7000 pounds.

1040 x 6.9 = 7176 pounds fuel in 3 drop tanks. That's double the range not yet counting what CFTs add. They're good for another 3050 pounds of fuel.

So that's a grand total (possibly) of about 17226 pounds of fuel, more or less.

The max ferry range of an F-16 is...2450 miles, so sayeth the internet, but not specifying the aircraft configuration.

I would BELIEVE that a max fuel configuration (3 drop tanks plus CFTs) would be enough to fly across the US east to west. It'll have some legs.

I'd love for our resident "been there done that" experts to chime in and provide helpful corrections and clarifications.

Posted: 12/2/2018 1:11:37 AM EDT

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It's an Iran load. They can make it. Might be the buddy tanker.

Posted: 12/2/2018 4:54:21 AM EDT

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The CFTs increase fuel capacity by 43 percent with very little negative effect on flight characteristics. Add three big drop tanks and total fuel capacity is more than double that of a clean F-16. Drop tank capacities are 300 (centerline) and 370 (wing) gallons per tank. Multiply by 6.9 to get capacity in pounds. An F-16's fuel capacity on internal stores is 7000 pounds.

1040 x 6.9 = 7176 pounds fuel in 3 drop tanks. That's double the range not yet counting what CFTs add. They're good for another 3050 pounds of fuel.

So that's a grand total (possibly) of about 17226 pounds of fuel, more or less.

The max ferry range of an F-16 is...2450 miles, so sayeth the internet, but not specifying the aircraft configuration.

I would BELIEVE that a max fuel configuration (3 drop tanks plus CFTs) would be enough to fly across the US east to west. It'll have some legs.

I'd love for our resident "been there done that" experts to chime in and provide helpful corrections and clarifications.

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Don't the izzies hang 600's on the wing stations?

Posted: 12/2/2018 5:05:45 AM EDT

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Posted: 12/2/2018 5:11:53 AM EDT

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F-16I Sufa. The guy in the back is necessary to operate the sensor and weapons systems. Targeting pods are usually carried on the sides of the intake. Usually, they also carry ~~comfortable~~ conformal fuel tanks (CFT) on the upper fuselage on either side of the spine.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/IAF-F-16I-2016-12-13.jpg/785px-IAF-F-16I-2016-12-13.jpg

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Posted: 12/2/2018 5:16:31 AM EDT

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That’s an angry looking viper.

Posted: 12/2/2018 9:21:14 AM EDT

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That’s an angry looking viper.

So Ugly that it's Beautiful!

Looks like an "Osiris" load out...

Hellloooooooooo Iran!!!!!

Posted: 12/2/2018 9:55:44 AM EDT

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Looks like a travel pod on the outboard starboard station. So, in addition to the ECM gear and gas, I'd also guess an overnight bag and some golf clubs. . .

Posted: 12/2/2018 12:28:04 PM EDT

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So what is the largest external tank that an F-16 can carry? (Standard approved types, not what some desert rednecks welded together and put attachment fittings on it out of expediency)

Posted: 12/2/2018 12:44:15 PM EDT

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that's a metric fuck-ton of EW gear

Posted: 12/2/2018 1:14:27 PM EDT

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The CFTs increase fuel capacity by 43 percent with very little negative effect on flight characteristics. Add three big drop tanks and total fuel capacity is more than double that of a clean F-16. Drop tank capacities are 300 (centerline) and 370 (wing) gallons per tank. Multiply by 6.9 to get capacity in pounds. An F-16's fuel capacity on internal stores is 7000 pounds.

1040 x 6.9 = 7176 pounds fuel in 3 drop tanks. That's double the range not yet counting what CFTs add. They're good for another 3050 pounds of fuel.

So that's a grand total (possibly) of about 17226 pounds of fuel, more or less.

The max ferry range of an F-16 is...2450 miles, so sayeth the internet, but not specifying the aircraft configuration.

I would BELIEVE that a max fuel configuration (3 drop tanks plus CFTs) would be enough to fly across the US east to west. It'll have some legs.

I'd love for our resident "been there done that" experts to chime in and provide helpful corrections and clarifications.

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I was reading this post, then looked up to see your screenname and remembered just seeing you in the aspergers thread.

Posted: 12/3/2018 8:58:43 AM EDT

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Think of how much more gas you could have had in E without that NAV in the back!

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About 200#.

...and a capability reduced down to a Viper level

Posted: 12/3/2018 6:36:23 PM EDT

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Looks like a travel pod on the outboard starboard station. So, in addition to the ECM gear and gas, I'd also guess an overnight bag and some golf clubs. . .

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I'll bet those Israeli pilots make a lot of cross country golfing trips

Posted: 12/3/2018 7:09:09 PM EDT

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Doubling the fuel doesn’t double the range, if it’s in external tanks. If a “clean” aircraft can carry 7000 lbs of fuel internally and can go 1000 miles, it isn’t true that adding 7000 more pounds of fuel in external tanks add another 1000 miles. Tanks add drag, so it takes more fuel to go the same distance at the same speed as a clean aircraft. Tanks do increase range, but it’s not as direct as doubling the fuel doubles the range. Also, part of the range increase usually assumes that the tanks get dropped along the way when they are empty to reduce the drag.

Posted: 12/3/2018 10:42:22 PM EDT

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About 200#.

Sweet...more gas!

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...and a capability reduced down to a Viper level

and you'd be fly a fighter the way it was meant to be...single seat!

Posted: 12/4/2018 10:18:13 PM EDT

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Man the viper sure has come a long way from its original inexpensive day/vfr dogfighter role.

Posted: 12/6/2018 3:59:04 PM EDT

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F-16I Sufa. The guy in the back is necessary to operate the sensor and weapons systems. Targeting pods are usually carried on the sides of the intake. Usually, they also carry comfortable fuel tanks (CFT) on the upper fuselage on either side of the spine.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/IAF-F-16I-2016-12-13.jpg/785px-IAF-F-16I-2016-12-13.jpg

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That's good. I hate it when fuel the tanks are uncomfortable

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Posted: 12/6/2018 4:30:45 PM EDT

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Israel adds ECM to the dorsal instead slapping an ALQ on the centerline. They need 3 bags to reach their enemies without tanking. Their ECM is proprietary.

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That ones not using conformals.

Posted: 12/6/2018 10:28:34 PM EDT

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That ones not using conformals.

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It's a D, not an I.

Posted: 12/9/2018 1:20:36 PM EDT

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and you'd be fly a fighter the way it was meant to be...single seat!

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Tell me more...

Posted: 12/12/2018 11:12:41 PM EDT

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Posted: 12/13/2018 11:04:51 PM EDT

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David McCampbell

9 Japanese planes on one day. 7 on another day.

Posted: 12/14/2018 3:09:37 PM EDT

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Curiously few Vipers in all that.

Posted: 12/15/2018 7:04:38 PM EDT

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The Israeli F-16I dorsal spine also houses additional chaff & flare dispensers, SATCOM antennae, DIRCM, as well as Israel-specific Wild Weasel avionics.

Their nation-specific ECM/ECCM gear goes without saying, and you can also see their unusually-large RWR antennae on the nose, sides, and bottom of the intake.

They have stolen and integrated a lot of the various planned ASPJ and ECM/ECCM systems developed in the US, along with systems from the French, Germans, and Brits, with programmable features that deal with a lot of region-specific threats around them.