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Posted: 6/2/2021 8:33:59 AM EDT
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Just the fact that super secret scumbag Brennan says it may be alien's prove to me that it us not Alien's.
The only time Brennan is not fibbing is when his mouth is shut. |
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Posted: 6/2/2021 8:50:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just the fact that super secret scumbag Brennan says it may be alien's prove to me that it us not Alien's. The only time Brennan is not fibbing is when his mouth is shut. What if the “aliens” are not here with ultimate good intentions or scientific curiosity, but have deceived some to believe that. But in fact coming here for some nefarious reasons. I could see Brennan as a willing accomplice on their part. |
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Posted: 6/2/2021 9:01:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What if the “aliens” are not here with ultimate good intentions or scientific curiosity, but have deceived some to believe that. But in fact coming here for some nefarious reasons. I could see Brennan as a willing accomplice on their part. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just the fact that super secret scumbag Brennan says it may be alien's prove to me that it us not Alien's. The only time Brennan is not fibbing is when his mouth is shut. What if the “aliens” are not here with ultimate good intentions or scientific curiosity, but have deceived some to believe that. But in fact coming here for some nefarious reasons. I could see Brennan as a willing accomplice on their part. I suppose anything is possible. I just think it’s unlikely that anything that technologically advanced, coming here with nefarious intent, would bother finding some suits to tell them about it and try to make a deal so to speak. Achieve nefarious adjective and bounce the fuck out. With or without wiping out everyone before they do. At some point if someone visited here you would have to assume they have that ability. |
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Posted: 6/2/2021 9:06:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol those guys never consider that possibility. They would take any generic proof of intelligent design as proof positive of the literal truth of the bible, even though lots of other religions have similar creation myths. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: God destroyed all living creatures in the Great Flood All but Noah and his family - He destroyed it because of the creatures that inhabited the earth in those days, Their fallen seed had mingled with mankind and the results were pure evil. They’ve never gone away- they simply step in -and out It’s difficult for the average agnostic/atheist to grasp this because it turns their belief system on its head. As someone who considers themself aligned with others in that group you mentioned, Im open minded enough to absolutely consider that as a possibility. It really wouldn’t affect my belief system at all. The opposite in fact as I believe we could have very well been created by something. But I would ask you, would your (others who believe in God) belief system be turned on its head if “God” turns out to be something other than what is depicted in the Bible? lol those guys never consider that possibility. They would take any generic proof of intelligent design as proof positive of the literal truth of the bible, even though lots of other religions have similar creation myths. Your last sentence is why I don’t consider a creation theory being totally impossible. I have my theories about religion, but maybe the similarities between them are a reason to not completely rule out a scenario where people were built rather than evolved. I think there are a lot of things that point toward evolution but I’m not dense enough to claim I know for sure. |
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Posted: 6/2/2021 9:07:01 AM EDT
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I would totally think they are ours, except for the depictions and descriptions of similar things buried in historical paintings, stories etc etc.
Unless of course they are ours, and also have the ability to time travel.... |
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Posted: 6/2/2021 9:08:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Of course there is option 3 which is the simulation is just fucking with us. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/5ddc336bfd9db244c913783d-460.gif  Is 2021 A Simulation? Elon Musk Says Yes |
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Posted: 6/2/2021 2:03:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What if the “aliens” are not here with ultimate good intentions or scientific curiosity, but have deceived some to believe that. But in fact coming here for some nefarious reasons. I could see Brennan as a willing accomplice on their part. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just the fact that super secret scumbag Brennan says it may be alien's prove to me that it us not Alien's. The only time Brennan is not fibbing is when his mouth is shut. What if the “aliens” are not here with ultimate good intentions or scientific curiosity, but have deceived some to believe that. But in fact coming here for some nefarious reasons. I could see Brennan as a willing accomplice on their part. While if the aliens came out and made unfriendly demands of us, they'd find no shortage of willing enthusiastic collaborators among existing DC politicians and senior career bureaucrats ready to gaslight the human population of the world, I don't think that has happened yet. |
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Posted: 6/2/2021 2:06:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your last sentence is why I don’t consider a creation theory being totally impossible. I have my theories about religion, but maybe the similarities between them are a reason to not completely rule out a scenario where people were built rather than evolved. I think there are a lot of things that point toward evolution but I’m not dense enough to claim I know for sure. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: God destroyed all living creatures in the Great Flood All but Noah and his family - He destroyed it because of the creatures that inhabited the earth in those days, Their fallen seed had mingled with mankind and the results were pure evil. They’ve never gone away- they simply step in -and out It’s difficult for the average agnostic/atheist to grasp this because it turns their belief system on its head. As someone who considers themself aligned with others in that group you mentioned, Im open minded enough to absolutely consider that as a possibility. It really wouldn’t affect my belief system at all. The opposite in fact as I believe we could have very well been created by something. But I would ask you, would your (others who believe in God) belief system be turned on its head if “God” turns out to be something other than what is depicted in the Bible? lol those guys never consider that possibility. They would take any generic proof of intelligent design as proof positive of the literal truth of the bible, even though lots of other religions have similar creation myths. Your last sentence is why I don’t consider a creation theory being totally impossible. I have my theories about religion, but maybe the similarities between them are a reason to not completely rule out a scenario where people were built rather than evolved. I think there are a lot of things that point toward evolution but I’m not dense enough to claim I know for sure. It's just an example of convergent evolution. It happens all the time. Flies and birds evolved wings independent of each other. Fish and dolphins evolved elongated and finned body shapes not because one is descended from the other, but because that's what works in water. This is actually a very good reason to assume the aliens might not be that different from us. They probably have DNA or RNA, bones, blood, eyes, etc. |
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Posted: 6/3/2021 12:40:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What if the “aliens” are not here with ultimate good intentions or scientific curiosity, but have deceived some to believe that. But in fact coming here for some nefarious reasons. I could see Brennan as a willing accomplice on their part. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just the fact that super secret scumbag Brennan says it may be alien's prove to me that it us not Alien's. The only time Brennan is not fibbing is when his mouth is shut. What if the “aliens” are not here with ultimate good intentions or scientific curiosity, but have deceived some to believe that. But in fact coming here for some nefarious reasons. I could see Brennan as a willing accomplice on their part. The groups come down to "Faith", everybody has faith. Some believe in a God or gods, some feel certain that nothing else exists because Math works (until reaching very small or very large systems). They have 100% "Faith" that math explains everything back to milliseconds after a 'big bang'. They then stop, they do not question how that material in the big bang came into existence, nor are they sure what triggered that unknown even to create the big bang. The math all points to that being an explanation, but the math stops and the faith starts when at galactic or quantum levels with "Dark Matter" and "It just IS" when their science can't explain a new phenomenon. The people aware of possible other entities will be more likely to avoid the dangerous ones, while the atheists and anti-theists will follow anybody that can explain the math and entropy from the Big Bang with conviction if enough people say it. They still don't accept the findings and they call it 'debunked' but never mention it again, demand people stop talking about something they do not like, and actively/aggressively change the topic when it is brought up. The antitheists have similar Faith in the scientists who told him things are how they are, as at some point, everybody needs to Believe something, whether it is old writings or guys in lab coats with pocket protectors, or a talking head on the news, they have Faith they know the correct answer - no more discussion. Example - Oil comes for dinosaur dead pool and it is nearly gone entirely (back in the 70s), man caused global warming will kill us by 2020 ( or freeze us by 1980 going to earlier propaganda), continental sized rifts of plastic drifting across the ocean (80s-90s), the news swearing up and down for years that Trump was a Russian spy (2015-), it turns out they were wrong and telling a bald faced lie. For 3 years, they had absolute Faith that we were set up by The Russians, all from that blind trust, rather than finding out things for themselves and really keeping an open mind to all possibilities, not just 'all possibilities I believe can happen'. |
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Posted: 6/3/2021 12:50:59 AM EDT
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This is Sasquatch level delusions. When you see 100 debunked Big Foot videos but you're still 100% sure the next one is gonna totally be real... you're being a dunbass.
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Posted: 6/3/2021 12:57:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not a chance. Lock-Mart, Boeing et al all live to bleed the taxpayers dry. They’re not about building super hot rods for our military. They are all about pushing projects just far enough they are too costly to cancel then going to Uncle Sugar and demanding more cheddar to get it to the finish line... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I still think they are ours. I also think they were not developed through traditional defense/aviation companies and I am more willing to believe that there is a component of our government that operates outside the bounds of even intel committee people. What is more plausible? A black project not developed by one of the regular defense contractors outside the purview of of the political side of the intel world or little green men visiting us? And I also believe it is "non human technology". They are not piloted by humans, they are UAVs/drones. Not a chance. Lock-Mart, Boeing et al all live to bleed the taxpayers dry. They’re not about building super hot rods for our military. They are all about pushing projects just far enough they are too costly to cancel then going to Uncle Sugar and demanding more cheddar to get it to the finish line... You'd be surprised by the stuff behind the curtains. However, most of the video is junk editing, nothing more than diversions. . |
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Posted: 6/3/2021 12:58:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is Sasquatch level delusions. When you see 100 debunked Big Foot videos but you're still 100% sure the next one is gonna totally be real... you're being a dunbass. It is NOT about "Real" or not, they're all 'real' videos in that we can watch and see about the same thing in pixels, the content is sometimes questioned. Different ideas and an open mind thinking of what it may be are discussed. If you dislike the topic, Don't even look at thread and especially stay out of the threads and away from those discussions. |
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Posted: 6/3/2021 1:16:12 AM EDT
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From 2013, hadn't seen this China(?)/Russian? one before (English Subtitled):
 Sun Shili and Lachezar Filipov ''Aliens Among Us'' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfwh376S_30 |
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Posted: 6/3/2021 1:21:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is NOT about "Real" or not, they're all 'real' videos in that we can watch and see about the same thing in pixels, the content is sometimes questioned. Different ideas and an open mind thinking of what it may be are discussed. If you dislike the topic, Don't even look at thread and especially stay out of the threads and away from those discussions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is Sasquatch level delusions. When you see 100 debunked Big Foot videos but you're still 100% sure the next one is gonna totally be real... you're being a dunbass. It is NOT about "Real" or not, they're all 'real' videos in that we can watch and see about the same thing in pixels, the content is sometimes questioned. Different ideas and an open mind thinking of what it may be are discussed. If you dislike the topic, Don't even look at thread and especially stay out of the threads and away from those discussions. I don't dislike the topic, I dislike being irrational about it. People who believe in aliens and want the evidence to show that use quite narrow minded thinking. |
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Posted: 6/3/2021 1:26:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The groups come down to "Faith", everybody has faith. Some believe in a God or gods, some feel certain that nothing else exists because Math works (until reaching very small or very large systems). They have 100% "Faith" that math explains everything back to milliseconds after a 'big bang'. They then stop, they do not question how that material in the big bang came into existence, nor are they sure what triggered that unknown even to create the big bang. The math all points to that being an explanation, but the math stops and the faith starts when at galactic or quantum levels with "Dark Matter" and "It just IS" when their science can't explain a new phenomenon. The people aware of possible other entities will be more likely to avoid the dangerous ones, while the atheists and anti-theists will follow anybody that can explain the math and entropy from the Big Bang with conviction if enough people say it. They still don't accept the findings and they call it 'debunked' but never mention it again, demand people stop talking about something they do not like, and actively/aggressively change the topic when it is brought up. The antitheists have similar Faith in the scientists who told him things are how they are, as at some point, everybody needs to Believe something, whether it is old writings or guys in lab coats with pocket protectors, or a talking head on the news, they have Faith they know the correct answer - no more discussion. Example - Oil comes for dinosaur dead pool and it is nearly gone entirely (back in the 70s), man caused global warming will kill us by 2020 ( or freeze us by 1980 going to earlier propaganda), continental sized rifts of plastic drifting across the ocean (80s-90s), the news swearing up and down for years that Trump was a Russian spy (2015-), it turns out they were wrong and telling a bald faced lie. For 3 years, they had absolute Faith that we were set up by The Russians, all from that blind trust, rather than finding out things for themselves and really keeping an open mind to all possibilities, not just 'all possibilities I believe can happen'. Humanism is a religion unto itself. |
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Posted: 6/3/2021 8:05:26 AM EDT
[#16]
ETA- wrong post quoted
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Posted: 6/3/2021 8:49:03 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryThat's an example of being so open minded, your brains fall out. They are making a good case for God though. |
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Posted: 6/3/2021 12:08:28 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's an example of being so open minded, your brains fall out. They are making a good case for God though. The truth is that no matter how open minded you are, the rabbit hole runs deeper and darker. I have learned that from my experience investigating the Sasquatch phenomenon and it equally applies to this subject. Not all ideas are true, but the truth is so far out of our understanding that having an open mind is not enough. |
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Posted: 6/3/2021 1:21:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is Sasquatch level delusions. When you see 100 debunked Big Foot videos but you're still 100% sure the next one is gonna totally be real... you're being a dunbass. What about all the members here who state they have clearly seen Bigfoot or a UFO that clearly was nothing our government claims to possess and exhibited technology beyond anything we appear to have? |
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Posted: 6/3/2021 1:38:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The truth is that no matter how open minded you are, the rabbit hole runs deeper and darker. I have learned that from my experience investigating the Sasquatch phenomenon and it equally applies to this subject. Not all ideas are true, but the truth is so far out of our understanding that having an open mind is not enough. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's an example of being so open minded, your brains fall out. They are making a good case for God though. The truth is that no matter how open minded you are, the rabbit hole runs deeper and darker. I have learned that from my experience investigating the Sasquatch phenomenon and it equally applies to this subject. Not all ideas are true, but the truth is so far out of our understanding that having an open mind is not enough. The longer I’ve thought about it, and I’ve thought about it my whole life, it comes back around in my mind that there is a creator, there are rules, you can follow them or not, there is a whole hidden universe of eternity behind all the things, we understand a little and don’t comprehend a lot, and there is a part of us that is eternal that survives this period of struggle. It’s all laid out for us, but we are often contrarian and don’t want to see it as that simple, with an answer handed to us. |
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Posted: 6/3/2021 2:00:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The longer I’ve thought about it, and I’ve thought about it my whole life, it comes back around in my mind that there is a creator, there are rules, you can follow them or not, there is a whole hidden universe of eternity behind all the things, we understand a little and don’t comprehend a lot, and there is a part of us that is eternal that survives this period of struggle. It’s all laid out for us, but we are often contrarian and don’t want to see it as that simple, with an answer handed to us. Brother I am with you on that view 100%. |
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Posted: 6/3/2021 2:07:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: pics, video, charts of radar/sonar returns? or are you taking the funding hungry govts word for it? big ole LOL. So the most advanced radars and tech don't have glitches/bugs? How that Zimwalt and F35 doin'? A guy posted in one of the many UFO threads here about how he worked on sensor systems and 100% of unknown anomalies generated over the years were traced down to other flying aircraft emissions. His post was largely ignored. Those green men still coming? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Faking radar returns on the most advanced AESA radars in the world too? The US has Sonar data from these objects as well. Prepare to become a believer. pics, video, charts of radar/sonar returns? or are you taking the funding hungry govts word for it? big ole LOL. So the most advanced radars and tech don't have glitches/bugs? How that Zimwalt and F35 doin'? A guy posted in one of the many UFO threads here about how he worked on sensor systems and 100% of unknown anomalies generated over the years were traced down to other flying aircraft emissions. His post was largely ignored. Those green men still coming? It is going to turn out to be interference between systems on the same (or other nearby) platforms. As you throw more and more electronics on a single platform the interference between the systems gets more and more ridiculous. |
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Posted: 6/3/2021 2:10:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The groups come down to "Faith"...snip... rather than finding out things for themselves and really keeping an open mind to all possibilities, not just 'all possibilities I believe can happen'. With respect: I think you don't get the purpose of these topics. Some call it trolling, but it's really diversion. |
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Posted: 6/3/2021 3:48:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The longer I’ve thought about it, and I’ve thought about it my whole life, it comes back around in my mind that there is a creator, there are rules, you can follow them or not, there is a whole hidden universe of eternity behind all the things, we understand a little and don’t comprehend a lot, and there is a part of us that is eternal that survives this period of struggle. It’s all laid out for us, but we are often contrarian and don’t want to see it as that simple, with an answer handed to us. Very well stated. +1 |
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Posted: 6/3/2021 9:52:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I find it hard to believe that the FLIR video of an F18 is not classified, yet is was released and former F18 pilots are talking about it on national TV. I find it very unusual and would expect they would not do it without being told to or at least having gotten permission to. Fravor and Dietrich were cleared to do the interviews |
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Posted: 6/4/2021 11:40:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fravor and Dietrich were cleared to do the interviews Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I find it hard to believe that the FLIR video of an F18 is not classified, yet is was released and former F18 pilots are talking about it on national TV. I find it very unusual and would expect they would not do it without being told to or at least having gotten permission to. Fravor and Dietrich were cleared to do the interviews by who and how do you know that if so then they a PART of the "disclosure" and not just talking freely because reasons. they are part of the organized what ever is going on. |
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Posted: 6/4/2021 12:02:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: by who and how do you know that if so then they a PART of the "disclosure" and not just talking freely because reasons. they are part of the organized what ever is going on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I find it hard to believe that the FLIR video of an F18 is not classified, yet is was released and former F18 pilots are talking about it on national TV. I find it very unusual and would expect they would not do it without being told to or at least having gotten permission to. Fravor and Dietrich were cleared to do the interviews by who and how do you know that if so then they a PART of the "disclosure" and not just talking freely because reasons. they are part of the organized what ever is going on. There’s a third possibility. |
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Posted: 6/4/2021 12:18:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The longer I’ve thought about it, and I’ve thought about it my whole life, it comes back around in my mind that there is a creator, there are rules, you can follow them or not, there is a whole hidden universe of eternity behind all the things, we understand a little and don’t comprehend a lot, and there is a part of us that is eternal that survives this period of struggle. It’s all laid out for us, but we are often contrarian and don’t want to see it as that simple, with an answer handed to us. Or perhaps this is only our parietal cortex fooling us into thinking that we can find answers for physical phenomena in the spiritual realm. |
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Posted: 6/4/2021 1:17:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: by who and how do you know that if so then they a PART of the "disclosure" and not just talking freely because reasons. they are part of the organized what ever is going on. I know Fravor personally |
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Posted: 6/4/2021 3:06:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know Fravor personally Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: by who and how do you know that if so then they a PART of the "disclosure" and not just talking freely because reasons. they are part of the organized what ever is going on. I know Fravor personally In before he says you don’t. Must have been someone else. That seems to be the common theme in this thread amongst a few of our fellow gun enthusiasts. |
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Posted: 6/25/2021 11:48:05 AM EDT
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This is the best discussion I've seen on this subject.
The video is Ward Carroll, the well known F-14 video pilot youtube guy.  The Truth Behind the Super Hornet UFO Encounters this is supposed to be a photo from one of those encounters: 
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