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Posted: 5/18/2018 7:21:39 PM EDT
The constant theory I see here on Arfcom is that we need to flee to Right Aing State and boost our numbers. This is partially correct, but in reality there is nowhere to flee to since demographics is the future and Leftists are growing and taking over key cities. With Reynolds v. Sims and the more recently Evenwel v. Abbott.... we're fucked.

Evenwel v. Abbott states that a voting district can me made up via the total population. Meaning that residents not eligible to vote are counted and factored in the general voting population for Reynolds v. Sims and it's "Person, One Vote" mandate. So California leftist counties for example can petition for more seats in the House come the 2020 census since they can claim the illegals are part of the "One Person, One Vote" formula.

Colorado, Florida, Georgia, etc.... Leftists are doing it as we speak. Flood certain key areas with illegals, criminals, more Leftists etc... in the end, skew the formula for districts and when redistricting comes, they can take seats away from lower populated Conservative areas of the State and solidify power in the State Legislature.



How to we fight that? How do we win that? The only way is by increasing our demographics. This was tried in New Hampshire with the Free State Project where a bunch of Libertarians moved. But in the end, Leftists from Massachusetts are out numbering them in migration.

The problem we face is we're responsible and thus don't breed like rabbits since we have to pay for our own goods and services and at the same time pay the taxes and benefits that allow the Left to breed more or take care of their imported voter base.
Link Posted: 5/18/2018 8:18:15 PM EDT
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In that case, open as many Planned Parenthood branches in liberal places as possible and distribute "free consultation" passes among them as bus passes.
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That's why they import.
Link Posted: 5/18/2018 9:24:05 PM EDT
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Demographics is destiny.

More people having smaller families later in life is literally killing us.
Link Posted: 5/18/2018 10:24:51 PM EDT
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The constant theory I see here on Arfcom is that we need to flee to Right Aing State and boost our numbers. This is partially correct, but in reality there is nowhere to flee to since demographics is the future and Leftists are growing and taking over key cities. With Reynolds v. Sims and the more recently Evenwel v. Abbott.... we're fucked.

Evenwel v. Abbott states that a voting district can me made up via the total population. Meaning that residents not eligible to vote are counted and factored in the general voting population for Reynolds v. Sims and it's "Person, One Vote" mandate. So California leftist counties for example can petition for more seats in the House come the 2020 census since they can claim the illegals are part of the "One Person, One Vote" formula.

Colorado, Florida, Georgia, etc.... Leftists are doing it as we speak. Flood certain key areas with illegals, criminals, more Leftists etc... in the end, skew the formula for districts and when redistricting comes, they can take seats away from lower populated Conservative areas of the State and solidify power in the State Legislature.

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/sSC150526cartoon.jpg

How to we fight that? How do we win that? The only way is by increasing our demographics. This was tried in New Hampshire with the Free State Project where a bunch of Libertarians moved. But in the end, Leftists from Massachusetts are out numbering them in migration.

The problem we face is we're responsible and thus don't breed like rabbits since we have to pay for our own goods and services and at the same time pay the taxes and benefits that allow the Left to breed more or take care of their imported voter base.
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Article V, but of course you know that.
Link Posted: 5/19/2018 8:12:21 AM EDT
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The constant theory I see here on Arfcom is that we need to flee to Right Aing State and boost our numbers. This is partially correct, but in reality there is nowhere to flee to since demographics is the future and Leftists are growing and taking over key cities. With Reynolds v. Sims and the more recently Evenwel v. Abbott.... we're fucked.

Evenwel v. Abbott states that a voting district can me made up via the total population. Meaning that residents not eligible to vote are counted and factored in the general voting population for Reynolds v. Sims and it's "Person, One Vote" mandate. So California leftist counties for example can petition for more seats in the House come the 2020 census since they can claim the illegals are part of the "One Person, One Vote" formula.

Colorado, Florida, Georgia, etc.... Leftists are doing it as we speak. Flood certain key areas with illegals, criminals, more Leftists etc... in the end, skew the formula for districts and when redistricting comes, they can take seats away from lower populated Conservative areas of the State and solidify power in the State Legislature.

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/sSC150526cartoon.jpg

How to we fight that? How do we win that? The only way is by increasing our demographics. This was tried in New Hampshire with the Free State Project where a bunch of Libertarians moved. But in the end, Leftists from Massachusetts are out numbering them in migration.

The problem we face is we're responsible and thus don't breed like rabbits since we have to pay for our own goods and services and at the same time pay the taxes and benefits that allow the Left to breed more or take care of their imported voter base.
Article V, but of course you know that.
I doubt a Article V will fix anything. SCOTUS will just over ride it and Congress will fuck it up. There aren't really any rules in place.
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Both of those are real possibilities.
Of course, there is a substantial possibility that the delegates to such a convention would be a source of serious problems.
Many proponents of the idea seem to believe that the delegates would be a group much like the Founding Fathers. The reality is they would be modern American politicians.
Link Posted: 5/19/2018 8:47:25 AM EDT
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Both of those are real possibilities.
Of course, there is a substantial possibility that the delegates to such a convention would be a source of serious problems.
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That is exactly why I disapprove it. We would never have a group like the Founders running a Art V. It would be the Cuomos, Clintons, McCains, their ilk.
Link Posted: 5/19/2018 9:12:19 AM EDT
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Like it or not, the soft people are in the process of making hard times.

Make ready for what is to come.
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We can't. It's far too late to fix what's coming short of mass deportations or genocide.

The only way is by increasing our demographics.
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Nope. Eventually the flyover states will say "we have nothing in common with the coasts." We'll either have Civil War or secession. I think we're not far off from that now.

After the 2020 census and 2024 election, I think it will accelerate.
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Then we need to back trump and get immigration (imports) dealt with.....

We also need to send as many back as we can.
Link Posted: 5/19/2018 9:48:23 AM EDT
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Then we need to back trump and get immigration (imports) dealt with.....

We also need to send as many back as we can.
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That's why they import.
Then we need to back trump and get immigration (imports) dealt with.....

We also need to send as many back as we can.
They're already entranced. We've had rampant immigration since 1965. We can put a Simpson's Movie Dome over the US and their population will increase due to reproductive numbers.
Link Posted: 5/19/2018 9:56:04 AM EDT
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'Conservative' States like Tennessee or Texas should restore their Senate apportionment to the way it was before. Reynolds v Sims is completely unconstitutional and hasn't a shred of a basis, other than 'the supreme court said so.' It's time to put USSC back in its place, subordinate to the constitution. Waiting for 'the right appointees' isn't going to do it. Constitutionalist activists at state level have to step up.

And when USDoJ comes down, the States have to fight back, and enforce the tenth amendment against the Feds on their own.

Places like Illinois are totally lost because of Reynolds v Sims. In some places, there's still a chance to bring back constitutional values.
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They're already entranced. We've had rampant immigration since 1965. We can put a Simpson's Movie Dome over the US and their population will increase due to reproductive numbers.
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Physical removal.
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They're already entranced. We've had rampant immigration since 1965. We can put a Simpson's Movie Dome over the US and their population will increase due to reproductive numbers.
Physical removal.
When a number of them are either American Citizens due to Birth or Naturalization but have no cultural heritage/connection/adoption of the American Way of Life and Value.

Good luck.
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The constant theory I see here on Arfcom is that we need to flee to Right Aing State and boost our numbers. This is partially correct, but in reality there is nowhere to flee to since demographics is the future and Leftists are growing and taking over key cities. With Reynolds v. Sims and the more recently Evenwel v. Abbott.... we're fucked.

Evenwel v. Abbott states that a voting district can me made up via the total population. Meaning that residents not eligible to vote are counted and factored in the general voting population for Reynolds v. Sims and it's "Person, One Vote" mandate. So California leftist counties for example can petition for more seats in the House come the 2020 census since they can claim the illegals are part of the "One Person, One Vote" formula.

Colorado, Florida, Georgia, etc.... Leftists are doing it as we speak. Flood certain key areas with illegals, criminals, more Leftists etc... in the end, skew the formula for districts and when redistricting comes, they can take seats away from lower populated Conservative areas of the State and solidify power in the State Legislature.

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/sSC150526cartoon.jpg

How to we fight that? How do we win that? The only way is by increasing our demographics. This was tried in New Hampshire with the Free State Project where a bunch of Libertarians moved. But in the end, Leftists from Massachusetts are out numbering them in migration.

The problem we face is we're responsible and thus don't breed like rabbits since we have to pay for our own goods and services and at the same time pay the taxes and benefits that allow the Left to breed more or take care of their imported voter base.
Article V, but of course you know that.
I doubt a Article V will fix anything. SCOTUS will just over ride it and Congress will fuck it up. There aren't really any rules in place.
Pretty sure that's a declaration of war, though, which would completely justify the populace rising up and destroying the former federal government.

Article V is the last chance to petition the king, so to speak.  We say "we exercise our right to change the rules that govern us per the original agreement, feel free to join us abiding or die amd be replaced with just leaders)
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Pretty that's a declaration of war, though, which would completely justify the populace rising up and destroying the former federal government.

Article V is the last chance to petition the king, so to speak.  We say "we exercise our right to change the rules that govern us per the original agreement, feel free to join us abiding or die amd be replaced with just leaders)
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The constant theory I see here on Arfcom is that we need to flee to Right Aing State and boost our numbers. This is partially correct, but in reality there is nowhere to flee to since demographics is the future and Leftists are growing and taking over key cities. With Reynolds v. Sims and the more recently Evenwel v. Abbott.... we're fucked.

Evenwel v. Abbott states that a voting district can me made up via the total population. Meaning that residents not eligible to vote are counted and factored in the general voting population for Reynolds v. Sims and it's "Person, One Vote" mandate. So California leftist counties for example can petition for more seats in the House come the 2020 census since they can claim the illegals are part of the "One Person, One Vote" formula.

Colorado, Florida, Georgia, etc.... Leftists are doing it as we speak. Flood certain key areas with illegals, criminals, more Leftists etc... in the end, skew the formula for districts and when redistricting comes, they can take seats away from lower populated Conservative areas of the State and solidify power in the State Legislature.

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/sSC150526cartoon.jpg

How to we fight that? How do we win that? The only way is by increasing our demographics. This was tried in New Hampshire with the Free State Project where a bunch of Libertarians moved. But in the end, Leftists from Massachusetts are out numbering them in migration.

The problem we face is we're responsible and thus don't breed like rabbits since we have to pay for our own goods and services and at the same time pay the taxes and benefits that allow the Left to breed more or take care of their imported voter base.
Article V, but of course you know that.
I doubt a Article V will fix anything. SCOTUS will just over ride it and Congress will fuck it up. There aren't really any rules in place.
Pretty that's a declaration of war, though, which would completely justify the populace rising up and destroying the former federal government.

Article V is the last chance to petition the king, so to speak.  We say "we exercise our right to change the rules that govern us per the original agreement, feel free to join us abiding or die amd be replaced with just leaders)
HAHAHAHAHA.....

You believe the Constitution actually means anything today.
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When a number of them are either American Citizens due to Birth or Naturalization but have no cultural heritage/connection/adoption of the American Way of Life and Value.

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Pass laws to discourage rampant reproduction, deport the 14 million or so that you can, change public education to promote assimilation and citizenship. Actively prosecute sedition and tax fraud. Curtail remittances. Completely constitutional.
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Both of those are real possibilities.
Of course, there is a substantial possibility that the delegates to such a convention would be a source of serious problems.
Many proponents of the idea seem to believe that the delegates would be a group much like the Founding Fathers. The reality is they would be modern American politicians.
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I doubt a Article V will fix anything. SCOTUS will just over ride it and Congress will fuck it up. There aren't really any rules in place.
Both of those are real possibilities.
Of course, there is a substantial possibility that the delegates to such a convention would be a source of serious problems.
Many proponents of the idea seem to believe that the delegates would be a group much like the Founding Fathers. The reality is they would be modern American politicians.
What's that they say, "no risk, no reward?"

Is there a realistic chance that we hold onto our rights for even another fifty years on our present course?

Is there a realistic chance armed revolt delivers a better system on the other side?

Are there very nearly enough states on board for Article V?

Are the people armed such they could realistically resist a tyrannical government in rebellion that tries to shut down the convention or deny the lawful amendments?

Is there a realistic chance that a convention proceeds per the agrees-upon rules, produces useful changes which are then ratified, and respected enough by the feds to reign them in for the foreseeable future?
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If we don't have the Constitution, why bother with the rest? Just let the 50 states go their own way.

As it is, WV has just under 2 million people. The Greater LA area has 20 million. We have a total of 5 in Congress (3 in the house + 2 in the Senate). The LA area has about 30. Our interests are ignored and we simply have nothing in common with those people. So, why should WV stay in a union with CA?
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They're already entranced. We've had rampant immigration since 1965. We can put a Simpson's Movie Dome over the US and their population will increase due to reproductive numbers.
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That's why they import.
Then we need to back trump and get immigration (imports) dealt with.....

We also need to send as many back as we can.
They're already entranced. We've had rampant immigration since 1965. We can put a Simpson's Movie Dome over the US and their population will increase due to reproductive numbers.
For the record, subsequent generations absent continued influx will moderate and do the "melting pot" thing.  Very well documented.  Problem is, there's an ice-machine pouring cubes into melting pot, so obviously they just keep piling up & keeping eachother solid.  A generational immigration freeze (like we used to do after massive influxes) would probably stop the communists cold.
Link Posted: 5/19/2018 10:12:04 AM EDT
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I'm wonderful my if there's a change in the congregational formula coming.  Trumps populism could be part of this.

As the positions are drawn now the Republicans are going to fall eventually.  As Goldwater said, Hitching the GOP wagon to the Christian conservatives did get a lot of vote but that segment is shrinking and polarizing.

Trump moves away from this and more to populism to win.  I suspect more of the same to win in the future

keeping the critical core issues of the GOP will be important going forward.
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That is exactly why I disapprove it. We would never have a group like the Founders running a Art V. It would be the Cuomos, Clintons, McCains, their ilk.
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... and paid for by AT&T, Comcast, Pharma, ADM, Monsanto, GM, Ford, Disney, Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft and just about every big name corporation out there looking to alter the constitution to give them unlimited power at the expense of the citizenry.  If they had their way, there would be ZERO taxes whatsoever on corporations while at the same time they would be vested 100% in the rights of living breathing humans with the right to vote and do whatever else they so please.  I wish an Article V was possible BUT I just do not trust the human's in power these days to do it right.  We had one shot at it back in 1788 and that was it.
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The constant theory I see here on Arfcom is that we need to flee to Right Aing State and boost our numbers. This is partially correct, but in reality there is nowhere to flee to since demographics is the future and Leftists are growing and taking over key cities. With Reynolds v. Sims and the more recently Evenwel v. Abbott.... we're fucked.

Evenwel v. Abbott states that a voting district can me made up via the total population. Meaning that residents not eligible to vote are counted and factored in the general voting population for Reynolds v. Sims and it's "Person, One Vote" mandate. So California leftist counties for example can petition for more seats in the House come the 2020 census since they can claim the illegals are part of the "One Person, One Vote" formula.

Colorado, Florida, Georgia, etc.... Leftists are doing it as we speak. Flood certain key areas with illegals, criminals, more Leftists etc... in the end, skew the formula for districts and when redistricting comes, they can take seats away from lower populated Conservative areas of the State and solidify power in the State Legislature.

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/sSC150526cartoon.jpg

How to we fight that? How do we win that? The only way is by increasing our demographics. This was tried in New Hampshire with the Free State Project where a bunch of Libertarians moved. But in the end, Leftists from Massachusetts are out numbering them in migration.

The problem we face is we're responsible and thus don't breed like rabbits since we have to pay for our own goods and services and at the same time pay the taxes and benefits that allow the Left to breed more or take care of their imported voter base.
Article V, but of course you know that.
I doubt a Article V will fix anything. SCOTUS will just over ride it and Congress will fuck it up. There aren't really any rules in place.
Pretty that's a declaration of war, though, which would completely justify the populace rising up and destroying the former federal government.

Article V is the last chance to petition the king, so to speak.  We say "we exercise our right to change the rules that govern us per the original agreement, feel free to join us abiding or die amd be replaced with just leaders)
HAHAHAHAHA.....

You believe the Constitution actually means anything today.
Not to the feds, but then again it never had to.

Don't tell me you don't believe in self-government (which is what we're discussing) and simultaneously believe in rights.
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... and paid for by AT&T, Comcast, Pharma, ADM, Monsanto, GM, Ford, Disney, Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft and just about every big name corporation out there looking to alter the constitution to give them unlimited power at the expense of the citizenry.  If they had their way, there would be ZERO taxes whatsoever on corporations while at the same time they would be vested 100% in the rights of living breathing humans with the right to vote and do whatever else they so please.  I wish an Article V was possible BUT I just do not trust the human's in power these days to do it right.  We had one shot at it back in 1788 and that was it.
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That is exactly why I disapprove it. We would never have a group like the Founders running a Art V. It would be the Cuomos, Clintons, McCains, their ilk.
... and paid for by AT&T, Comcast, Pharma, ADM, Monsanto, GM, Ford, Disney, Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft and just about every big name corporation out there looking to alter the constitution to give them unlimited power at the expense of the citizenry.  If they had their way, there would be ZERO taxes whatsoever on corporations while at the same time they would be vested 100% in the rights of living breathing humans with the right to vote and do whatever else they so please.  I wish an Article V was possible BUT I just do not trust the human's in power these days to do it right.  We had one shot at it back in 1788 and that was it.
Well, I guess you'd better join the Communists & attempt to destroy those industries so they won't thwart the will of the proletariate to bring about the just rule of the Party.
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This is where I part company with my Conservative brethren.

We should encourage and promote abortion among the Leftist.  We need to make sure that they never get an opportunity to vote.

Abortion is key to the Conservative's salvation.

Fireproof suit on !!!
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If we don't have the Constitution, why bother with the rest? Just let the 50 states go their own way.

As it is, WV has just under 2 million people. The Greater LA area has 20 million. We have a total of 5 in Congress (3 in the house + 2 in the Senate). The LA area has about 30. Our interests are ignored and we simply have nothing in common with those people. So, why should WV stay in a union with CA?
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HAHAHAHAHA.....

You believe the Constitution actually means anything today.
If we don't have the Constitution, why bother with the rest? Just let the 50 states go their own way.

As it is, WV has just under 2 million people. The Greater LA area has 20 million. We have a total of 5 in Congress (3 in the house + 2 in the Senate). The LA area has about 30. Our interests are ignored and we simply have nothing in common with those people. So, why should WV stay in a union with CA?
Why because you're slaves, of course.  Force would be the only reason to stay, thank you very much to the Great Emancipator
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This is where I part company with my Conservative brethren.

We should encourage and promote abortion among the Leftist.  We need to make sure that they never get an opportunity to vote.

Abortion is key to the Conservative's salvation.

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I agree, also because it would likely at last break myopic Christains from interest in actual governance.  You can't run a government by blocking abortion, yet that's been one of the primary policies of the GOP since the 60s.

Get these micromanagers out of the picture, and maybe we can focus on actual strategic issues like civil rights, representation, and restoring checks & balances.

Abortion is just another "peculiar institution" that will correct itself given time, but is disastrous to confront directly.
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Why because you're slaves, of course.  Force would be the only reason to stay, thank you very much to the Great Emancipator
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To be fair, the 18 Union states thought the same thing; the Union was forever even if it took force.
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... and paid for by AT&T, Comcast, Pharma, ADM, Monsanto, GM, Ford, Disney, Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft and just about every big name corporation out there looking to alter the constitution to give them unlimited power at the expense of the citizenry.  If they had their way, there would be ZERO taxes whatsoever on corporations while at the same time they would be vested 100% in the rights of living breathing humans with the right to vote and do whatever else they so please.  I wish an Article V was possible BUT I just do not trust the human's in power these days to do it right.  We had one shot at it back in 1788 and that was it.
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That is exactly why I disapprove it. We would never have a group like the Founders running a Art V. It would be the Cuomos, Clintons, McCains, their ilk.
... and paid for by AT&T, Comcast, Pharma, ADM, Monsanto, GM, Ford, Disney, Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft and just about every big name corporation out there looking to alter the constitution to give them unlimited power at the expense of the citizenry.  If they had their way, there would be ZERO taxes whatsoever on corporations while at the same time they would be vested 100% in the rights of living breathing humans with the right to vote and do whatever else they so please.  I wish an Article V was possible BUT I just do not trust the human's in power these days to do it right.  We had one shot at it back in 1788 and that was it.
WRONG.

Notice how all the corporations you mention buy off Democrats and push for higher taxes. They can avoid taxes, but high taxes and regulation create barriers to entry, and keep competition from growing and taking their market share.

They are loaded with cash and can pay it. They big government to protect their monopolies with regulation.
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The delegates would be corrupted before they hit the convention.
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The constant theory I see here on Arfcom is that we need to flee to Right Aing State and boost our numbers. This is partially correct, but in reality there is nowhere to flee to since demographics is the future and Leftists are growing and taking over key cities. With Reynolds v. Sims and the more recently Evenwel v. Abbott.... we're fucked.

Evenwel v. Abbott states that a voting district can me made up via the total population. Meaning that residents not eligible to vote are counted and factored in the general voting population for Reynolds v. Sims and it's "Person, One Vote" mandate. So California leftist counties for example can petition for more seats in the House come the 2020 census since they can claim the illegals are part of the "One Person, One Vote" formula.

Colorado, Florida, Georgia, etc.... Leftists are doing it as we speak. Flood certain key areas with illegals, criminals, more Leftists etc... in the end, skew the formula for districts and when redistricting comes, they can take seats away from lower populated Conservative areas of the State and solidify power in the State Legislature.

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How to we fight that? How do we win that? The only way is by increasing our demographics. This was tried in New Hampshire with the Free State Project where a bunch of Libertarians moved. But in the end, Leftists from Massachusetts are out numbering them in migration.

The problem we face is we're responsible and thus don't breed like rabbits since we have to pay for our own goods and services and at the same time pay the taxes and benefits that allow the Left to breed more or take care of their imported voter base.
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I did my part and had 4 kids, two of which votes republican and my daughter will be 18 and vote republican in November.

Trump and the republicans need to make sure illegal alien numbers will not count.
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Right now my boss is filing a mandatory municipal census for our business it will include all of our green card employees who are ineligible to vote but will be utilized as demographics supporting representation...
Link Posted: 5/19/2018 10:32:13 AM EDT
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Welfare has been encouraging the irresponsible reproduction habits of urban left voting communities for decades. The working middle class family stops at two kids because they actually have to pay their own bills while ghetto families crank out 4 kids.
Link Posted: 5/19/2018 10:34:21 AM EDT
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This is where I part company with my Conservative brethren.

We should encourage and promote abortion among the Leftist.  We need to make sure that they never get an opportunity to vote.

Abortion is key to the Conservative's salvation.

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And this is why I am for abortion

If your the type of woman that would murder your unborn child I don't want you having children anyways.
Link Posted: 5/19/2018 10:35:28 AM EDT
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The constant theory I see here on Arfcom is that we need to flee to Right Aing State and boost our numbers. This is partially correct, but in reality there is nowhere to flee to since demographics is the future and Leftists are growing and taking over key cities. With Reynolds v. Sims and the more recently Evenwel v. Abbott.... we're fucked.

Evenwel v. Abbott states that a voting district can me made up via the total population. Meaning that residents not eligible to vote are counted and factored in the general voting population for Reynolds v. Sims and it's "Person, One Vote" mandate. So California leftist counties for example can petition for more seats in the House come the 2020 census since they can claim the illegals are part of the "One Person, One Vote" formula.

Colorado, Florida, Georgia, etc.... Leftists are doing it as we speak. Flood certain key areas with illegals, criminals, more Leftists etc... in the end, skew the formula for districts and when redistricting comes, they can take seats away from lower populated Conservative areas of the State and solidify power in the State Legislature.

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/sSC150526cartoon.jpg

How to we fight that? How do we win that? The only way is by increasing our demographics.
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When the majority of voters are the children or grandchildren of illegal immigrants from Latin america we are screwed.
Link Posted: 5/19/2018 10:36:27 AM EDT
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That is exactly why I disapprove it. We would never have a group like the Founders running a Art V. It would be the Cuomos, Clintons, McCains, their ilk.
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Yep, and those power mongers are likely frothing at the mouth for an opening of that sort in order to be rid of the impediments to their gaining of more power.
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The overwhelming advice here is to run from the confrontation - to flee from the battle.
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I'm saying run for the battle, but someone better have a workable plan that figures out how to get around the changing demographics.
Link Posted: 5/19/2018 11:07:35 AM EDT
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If we don't have the Constitution, why bother with the rest? Just let the 50 states go their own way.

As it is, WV has just under 2 million people. The Greater LA area has 20 million. We have a total of 5 in Congress (3 in the house + 2 in the Senate). The LA area has about 30. Our interests are ignored and we simply have nothing in common with those people. So, why should WV stay in a union with CA?
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HAHAHAHAHA.....

You believe the Constitution actually means anything today.
If we don't have the Constitution, why bother with the rest? Just let the 50 states go their own way.

As it is, WV has just under 2 million people. The Greater LA area has 20 million. We have a total of 5 in Congress (3 in the house + 2 in the Senate). The LA area has about 30. Our interests are ignored and we simply have nothing in common with those people. So, why should WV stay in a union with CA?
I agree. Why should the Union stay together when we have nothing in common. Why do we actually stay together? Money and Power. The State Government loves that Federal Tit.
Link Posted: 5/19/2018 11:08:35 AM EDT
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Pass laws to discourage rampant reproduction, deport the 14 million or so that you can, change public education to promote assimilation and citizenship. Actively prosecute sedition and tax fraud. Curtail remittances. Completely constitutional.
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When a number of them are either American Citizens due to Birth or Naturalization but have no cultural heritage/connection/adoption of the American Way of Life and Value.

Good luck.
Pass laws to discourage rampant reproduction, deport the 14 million or so that you can, change public education to promote assimilation and citizenship. Actively prosecute sedition and tax fraud. Curtail remittances. Completely constitutional.
Good ideas indeed. Plausibility is on the lower end of the scale though, IMO...
Link Posted: 5/19/2018 11:10:15 AM EDT
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For the record, subsequent generations absent continued influx will moderate and do the "melting pot" thing.  Very well documented.  Problem is, there's an ice-machine pouring cubes into melting pot, so obviously they just keep piling up & keeping eachother solid.  A generational immigration freeze (like we used to do after massive influxes) would probably stop the communists cold.
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That's why they import.
Then we need to back trump and get immigration (imports) dealt with.....

We also need to send as many back as we can.
They're already entranced. We've had rampant immigration since 1965. We can put a Simpson's Movie Dome over the US and their population will increase due to reproductive numbers.
For the record, subsequent generations absent continued influx will moderate and do the "melting pot" thing.  Very well documented.  Problem is, there's an ice-machine pouring cubes into melting pot, so obviously they just keep piling up & keeping eachother solid.  A generational immigration freeze (like we used to do after massive influxes) would probably stop the communists cold.


Cubans were once the bedrock in Florida for solid GOP Conservative Support. Their kids who are moderating into the melting pot are becoming more and more Leftist.

Don't bet on it being what you think.

The same has happened with Koreans and Vietnamese in California.
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I'm wonderful my if there's a change in the congregational formula coming.  Trumps populism could be part of this.

As the positions are drawn now the Republicans are going to fall eventually.  As Goldwater said, Hitching the GOP wagon to the Christian conservatives did get a lot of vote but that segment is shrinking and polarizing.

Trump moves away from this and more to populism to win.  I suspect more of the same to win in the future

keeping the critical core issues of the GOP will be important going forward.
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Small Government ain't gonna happen. The GOP has not been about smaller government and expanding civil rights for a very long time.
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If we don't have the Constitution, why bother with the rest? Just let the 50 states go their own way.

As it is, WV has just under 2 million people. The Greater LA area has 20 million. We have a total of 5 in Congress (3 in the house + 2 in the Senate). The LA area has about 30. Our interests are ignored and we simply have nothing in common with those people. So, why should WV stay in a union with CA?
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HAHAHAHAHA.....

You believe the Constitution actually means anything today.
If we don't have the Constitution, why bother with the rest? Just let the 50 states go their own way.

As it is, WV has just under 2 million people. The Greater LA area has 20 million. We have a total of 5 in Congress (3 in the house + 2 in the Senate). The LA area has about 30. Our interests are ignored and we simply have nothing in common with those people. So, why should WV stay in a union with CA?
I doubt that I have little to nothing in common with those 20 million or their elected 'officials' as well. I have something in common with WV, who knew ...
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Here is my thread, touching on the same topic. Eventually, we are going to have to do exactly what Liberals have done to us...or we will be extinct. We need to establish territory and make it unbearably Conservative, as hostile to liberal colonization as New York and California are to Conservatives who try to colonize there. We've got a "numbers" problem that needs to be addressed- and we need to be able to have some quality of life/freedom while we work on increasing our reproductive rate. Let them infest the inner cities...while we defend our state borders...they will crumble and fall without a shot fired. All we need to do is outlast Communism, let nature take it's course and establish defensible territory that they do not WANT to infest. We can make it as hostile to them as NY/CA are to us- we will build our empire while they collapse theirs. We will create laws that prevent their migration in to our regions/states. Liberals won't even want to open businesses where people who open carry machineguns are a protected class, can sue businesses for discriminating against them. They'll stay the fuck away from areas where there are no entitlements or any environments conducive to their parasitism.
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Here is my thread, touching on the same topic. Eventually, we are going to have to do exactly what Liberals have done to us...or we will be extinct. We need to establish territory and make it unbearably Conservative, as hostile to liberal colonization as New York and California are to Conservatives who try to colonize there. We've got a "numbers" problem that needs to be addressed- and we need to be able to have some quality of life/freedom while we work on increasing our reproductive rate. Let them infest the inner cities...they will crumble and fall without a shot fired. All we need to do is outlast Communism, let nature take it's course and establish defensible territory that they do not WANT to infest. We can make it as hostile to them as NY/CA are to us- we will build our empire while they collapse theirs. We will create laws that prevent their migration in to our regions/states. Liberals won't even want to open businesses where people who open carry machineguns are a protected class, can sue businesses for discriminating against them. They'll stay the fuck away from areas where there are no entitlements or any environments conducive to their parasitism.
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Problem is, our solution to make it inviting to our own kind is what attracts our enemies. We promote civil and economic freedom. That means lower costs of living, friendly business environments, lower taxes, personal freedom, etc.... that attracts the Left escaping their fuck ups. The problem is, they bring their voting patterns with them and create the fuck ups that they flee.

They are locusts.

The other issue is that they grow in number in their inner cities and they strip us of representation in the legislature in the states and federal level. They don't need to take over the whole state. Just key areas and make those populations grow.

Look at Chicago, New York City, Los Angeles, Miami, etc.... they have stripped legislative representation from other areas due to redistricting. Chicago controls Illinois.
Link Posted: 5/19/2018 12:01:23 PM EDT
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Problem is, our solution to make it inviting to our own kind is what attracts our enemies. We promote civil and economic freedom. That means lower costs of living, friendly business environments, lower taxes, personal freedom, etc.... that attracts the Left escaping their fuck ups. The problem is, they bring their voting patterns with them and create the fuck ups that they flee.

They are locusts.

The other issue is that they grow in number in their inner cities and they strip us of representation in the legislature in the states and federal level. They don't need to take over the whole state. Just key areas and make those populations grow.

Look at Chicago, New York City, Los Angeles, Miami, etc.... they have stripped legislative representation from other areas due to redistricting. Chicago controls Illinois.
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Here is my thread, touching on the same topic. Eventually, we are going to have to do exactly what Liberals have done to us...or we will be extinct. We need to establish territory and make it unbearably Conservative, as hostile to liberal colonization as New York and California are to Conservatives who try to colonize there. We've got a "numbers" problem that needs to be addressed- and we need to be able to have some quality of life/freedom while we work on increasing our reproductive rate. Let them infest the inner cities...they will crumble and fall without a shot fired. All we need to do is outlast Communism, let nature take it's course and establish defensible territory that they do not WANT to infest. We can make it as hostile to them as NY/CA are to us- we will build our empire while they collapse theirs. We will create laws that prevent their migration in to our regions/states. Liberals won't even want to open businesses where people who open carry machineguns are a protected class, can sue businesses for discriminating against them. They'll stay the fuck away from areas where there are no entitlements or any environments conducive to their parasitism.
Problem is, our solution to make it inviting to our own kind is what attracts our enemies. We promote civil and economic freedom. That means lower costs of living, friendly business environments, lower taxes, personal freedom, etc.... that attracts the Left escaping their fuck ups. The problem is, they bring their voting patterns with them and create the fuck ups that they flee.

They are locusts.

The other issue is that they grow in number in their inner cities and they strip us of representation in the legislature in the states and federal level. They don't need to take over the whole state. Just key areas and make those populations grow.

Look at Chicago, New York City, Los Angeles, Miami, etc.... they have stripped legislative representation from other areas due to redistricting. Chicago controls Illinois.
They are like Locusts!!!!!
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What's that they say, "no risk, no reward?"

Is there a realistic chance that we hold onto our rights for even another fifty years on our present course?

Is there a realistic chance armed revolt delivers a better system on the other side?

Are there very nearly enough states on board for Article V?

Are the people armed such they could realistically resist a tyrannical government in rebellion that tries to shut down the convention or deny the lawful amendments?

Is there a realistic chance that a convention proceeds per the agrees-upon rules, produces useful changes which are then ratified, and respected enough by the feds to reign them in for the foreseeable future?
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I doubt a Article V will fix anything. SCOTUS will just over ride it and Congress will fuck it up. There aren't really any rules in place.
Both of those are real possibilities.
Of course, there is a substantial possibility that the delegates to such a convention would be a source of serious problems.
Many proponents of the idea seem to believe that the delegates would be a group much like the Founding Fathers. The reality is they would be modern American politicians.
What's that they say, "no risk, no reward?"

Is there a realistic chance that we hold onto our rights for even another fifty years on our present course?

Is there a realistic chance armed revolt delivers a better system on the other side?

Are there very nearly enough states on board for Article V?

Are the people armed such they could realistically resist a tyrannical government in rebellion that tries to shut down the convention or deny the lawful amendments?

Is there a realistic chance that a convention proceeds per the agrees-upon rules, produces useful changes which are then ratified, and respected enough by the feds to reign them in for the foreseeable future?
The opposition to an Art V convention for the proper topics by the 2A community is tragic.  The belief that we can't let a small group of people have a conversation and make a few recommendations because the rest of the 300+ million of us have no choice but to agree to whatever the delegates come up with is ludicrous.  It's also probably academic given the demographic issues OP notes, it's hard to count 34 states that would agree to a convention for any topic, much less one that attempts to restore the Constitution.  So we'll just have to tell our grandchildren tough, it's your problem now.  We were scared.
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