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Format takes some getting used to, because it’s change. But at first browse I really like it. Don’t listen to the haters.
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Good job with the update.... so you're telling me that a tiny poor site like AR15.com has the time AND manpower to update the EE.... But Facebook Marketplace (the only thing I used FB for) is used by 100000% more people, ran by billionaire's and on the NYSE and they cant even seem to update their marketplace almost since it launched?
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Quoted: ... The new system is also going to make it sooooooo much easier for .gov to track the secondary market, and ensure that people get nailed for not reporting said sales on their taxes. Yeah, most people are probably selling at a loss, but who keeps receipts for EVERY item they ever bought just in case they need to prove to the IRS they didn't make a profit on it? Nobody, that's who. ... View Quote It's not just taxes. For example, if this system had existed all along the ATF could have used it to identify bump stock purchasers. |
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Quoted: It's not just taxes. For example, if this system had existed all along the ATF could have used it to identify bump stock purchasers. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: ... The new system is also going to make it sooooooo much easier for .gov to track the secondary market, and ensure that people get nailed for not reporting said sales on their taxes. Yeah, most people are probably selling at a loss, but who keeps receipts for EVERY item they ever bought just in case they need to prove to the IRS they didn't make a profit on it? Nobody, that's who. ... It's not just taxes. For example, if this system had existed all along the ATF could have used it to identify bump stock purchasers. You're not wrong about that. It seems that getting rid of stuff is just getting harder and harder, with increasing risk of .gov hassle. Now that the IRS is going to be using AI to help ID people who might not be reporting every damn dollar that comes into their hands, regardless of whether or not they lost money on the transaction or not, selling even small items just to clear out the closet/parts bin, etc, is becoming increasingly fraught with potential future hassle. I may have to see if my gun club allows for sale items on its bulletin boards. The more "high tech" the selling experience becomes, the more hassle and risk filled it becomes. |
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As a guy who doesn't much care for change, I'll admit that & hold off going full curmudgeon. I've yet to personally use supposedly improved system, maybe later today.
But as mentioned repeatedly so far, this 1 item per ad rule is fucking retarded. If I've got 20 M4 handguards I don't want 20 separate listings for the same thing, unless selling them as a lot. Most people on here have no need 20 at once & have no desire to poke through pages to find the same sellers other listings for the same item. It's annoying & burdensome. I didn't know about the forthcoming changes & my 1st thought at seeing a new ad was "How the hell did I get to gunbroker". It initially looks like a gunjoker ad, which is a major turn off for a lot of folks. This place should look like Arfcom, not the ultimate gouger site. After reading 5 pages of comments I understand that the fees are now for dealer (which the new setup sounds like an improvement for them, so kudos) & a $5 cc verification fee nor non members. But I share the concerns that this is a set up for making it a 100% pay to play system for everyone, including paying members. This is one of two sites I pay a membership fee for. Expressly because I believe in supporting a forum I use to make a few bucks myself. I don't sell enough here every year to cover my membership each year, if it becomes a 100% pay to play EE, I personally wouldn't see the point in a membership, not when I could pay $5 a few times a year & still do what I need to. I'm sure there are more than a few like-minded members here. Rant over. |
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Thanks for update goatboy. I'll read up on it...got couple things I need to upload pics for....
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Quoted: It's not just taxes. For example, if this system had existed all along the ATF could have used it to identify bump stock purchasers. View Quote We took positive steps for privacy by scrubbing the names from the archives. This one with the record retention described in the OP is a big step backwards. The board was obviously going to cooperate with orders/warrants, but this one makes stuff way to easy to hand over detailed transactions after ATF suddenly decides some random legal item is now illegal. |
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Quoted: We took positive steps for privacy by scrubbing the names from the archives. This one with the record retention described in the OP is a big step backwards. The board was obviously going to cooperate with orders/warrants, but this one makes stuff way to easy to hand over detailed transactions after ATF suddenly decides some random legal item is now illegal. View Quote It’s ok, Goatboy will continue to dodge this question to avoid being the bad guy middleman… |
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Quoted: It’s ok, Goatboy will continue to dodge this question to avoid being the bad guy middleman… View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: It’s ok, Goatboy will continue to dodge this question to avoid being the bad guy middleman… He's already answered it. Quoted: If you want to be part of the discussion, then please stop the same old fear mongering. I've been clear on the transactions and who will pay what, we also spelled it out in the help files. As for tracking info, yes it's a little cleaner on the data side on who did what, but the old system has most of that data and the gov typically goes to seller for the specific info on a transaction. Now please give it a rest. This thread is for constructive feedback, not fear mongering. |
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Now that I am getting more used to it, I think I really like it! Good work!
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I may be missing it, but what delineates whether I've previously viewed a listing since the last time I visited? Is there going to be a marked as read button?
The last time this site had a major overhaul I dropped my long standing paid membership, because the change removed features I enjoyed and was happy to pay to have. I just recently became a paying member again. I'm not going to pull my support for this forum again at first glance, but it isn't looking good at this point. |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147863/036967B7-3314-4EDC-A3D2-28D6CB7559FA-3155137.jpg Is there plans to eventually charge a per item fee for low volume sellers? View Quote Gunbroker charges like 5% which is very reasonable unlike Ebay which charges 13% and also charges that 13% on the sales tax and shipping the buyer pays. |
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Quoted: Gunbroker charges like 5% which is very reasonable unlike Ebay which charges 13% and also charges that 13% on the sales tax and shipping the buyer pays. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147863/036967B7-3314-4EDC-A3D2-28D6CB7559FA-3155137.jpg Is there plans to eventually charge a per item fee for low volume sellers? Gunbroker charges like 5% which is very reasonable unlike Ebay which charges 13% and also charges that 13% on the sales tax and shipping the buyer pays. That's already answered for dealers, yes, for individuals, no. |
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Quoted: He's already answered it. Now please give it a rest. This thread is for constructive feedback, not fear mongering. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: It’s ok, Goatboy will continue to dodge this question to avoid being the bad guy middleman… He's already answered it. Quoted: If you want to be part of the discussion, then please stop the same old fear mongering. I've been clear on the transactions and who will pay what, we also spelled it out in the help files. As for tracking info, yes it's a little cleaner on the data side on who did what, but the old system has most of that data and the gov typically goes to seller for the specific info on a transaction. Now please give it a rest. This thread is for constructive feedback, not fear mongering. That's not answering much and it would be nice to know what is retained, how, and by whom. Until then, it is not fear mongering. It is a valid concern for when the "gov" decides to not go to the seller, but to the board for its records of sales transactions. Just because the gov "typically" goes to the seller, doesn't mean we need to store transaction data here to hand it all on a neatly indexed silver platter. |
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I had my first try at a sale last night and I could not accept the offer. It just said Invalid Offer. We just did the sale without going through the system.
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Quoted: I had my first try at a sale last night and I could not accept the offer. It just said Invalid Offer. We just did the sale without going through the system. View Quote Post up in the EE C&Q subforum. Post a link to ad and have the other party post as well, you can then trade feedback if interested. |
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Quoted: Post up in the EE C&Q subforum. Post a link to ad and have the other party post as well, you can then trade feedback if interested. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I had my first try at a sale last night and I could not accept the offer. It just said Invalid Offer. We just did the sale without going through the system. Post up in the EE C&Q subforum. Post a link to ad and have the other party post as well, you can then trade feedback if interested. Will do. Thanks |
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Quoted: @TOTHEMAX EE help, tips, and How To is the new name that Staff assigned. I assume that it still works the same. (?) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Will do. Thanks @TOTHEMAX EE help, tips, and How To is the new name that Staff assigned. I assume that it still works the same. (?) @TGWLDR Copy. Disregard the message I sent you as this is the area I found. Thanks |
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Just a couple suggestions that I have no doubt will be glossed over -
Remove PayPal from the front page of the listings and just allow pp or ppff on the item page on firearm related items. Still allow imgur photos(or am I missing this feature) I've forgotten how to add photos to my media here . Maybe tack this discussion on the EE forum, it may get some exposure for constructive discussion. Just tried to convert from old listing to new format of 25 ar15 magazines I have listed and is only allowing me 10 max on the new format. |
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Quoted: @TGWLDR Copy. Disregard the message I sent you as this is the area I found. Thanks View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Will do. Thanks @TOTHEMAX EE help, tips, and How To is the new name that Staff assigned. I assume that it still works the same. (?) @TGWLDR Copy. Disregard the message I sent you as this is the area I found. Thanks Too late. [img]/images/smilies/icon_smile_big.gif[/img Stay safe! |
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Quoted: Agreed. I used this EE because I liked it. Not sure if I will continue - or find something new. Time will tell. Edit - @goatboy I gave it a spin. Only thing so far is, my zip code starts with a 0 - the new format keeps deleting the zero. Can the programmers set the parameters so a zero is an acceptable first digit? Seems to be working on the initial post, but when I went back to edit it had removed the digit. Thanks. Also, just a heads up for sellers - seems if you enter an image the old way, or with HTML - it won't show a thumbnail - so if you want a thumbnail - use the new image adding dohicky. View Quote Quoted: Being able to toggle the thumbnail would be cool, I know it's not the entire reason why the page is longer, but the current setup takes me unscientifically 2x longer to scroll per page compared to the old version. Personally, if I'm looking to buy something, I'm generally looking more at the title to see if its what i want rather than a thumbnail photo. If the title interests me, I can always look at the post for more detailed or larger photos. Having a photo with the ad and not needing to copy/paste or click a link is definitely a move in the right direction compared to the old way though. View Quote We currently have List, Grid, and Text view as options. Once listing have moved over to the new model, we can keep text view as an option for that. Quoted: @goatboy Any way we can get a marker of some sort that shows what EE posts we have clicked on? It's usually how I look at what is new since the last time I browsed through the EE subsections. Without it - it's hard to differentiate what I've looked at and what I haven't. Thanks. View Quote |
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Quoted: What was wrong with the old EE? Why was a complete change even needed? The old EE was smooth, simple and idiot proof. Honestly, this looks like more of a way for arfcom to make $ on EE ads(which is completely fine by me, people got to make money). But thats how its coming across to me. View Quote Not even close! |
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I like the old EE it works. So do I as a team member have to pay to list my stuff?
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Quoted: I like the old EE it works. So do I as a team member have to pay to list my stuff? View Quote I think there's some confusion over fees.The fee structure is for power seller accounts which are intended to replace dealer accounts. Upcoming Changes Non-Team accounts will be required to validate their account before creating any sale listings. The fee for this is $5 and lasts for 12 months. Team accounts do not need to validate their accounts to purchase. There is no fee to use the system and buy items. Power seller accounts will not have a yearly fee (all will be required to authorize) charged and instead will pay a fixed fee per sold listing at the end of each month. This allows sellers to grow at their own pace, without incurring any additional costs. Either large or small companies will be able to participate at their own pace. More info at the help page |
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Well I decided to try out the new EE and list some items. Overall, not a painful process. Being able to upload a picture directly instead of using a 3rd party website is helpful. Being able to put up text removes the biggest concern I had about not being able to list more than one item per ad (not that I've gone and listed all those small lots of brass, etc, yet).
One concern I have is the requiring my credit card # to "validate" and make sales. I am really uncomfortable giving that out, due to hacking concerns. In any case, what would stop some scammer from giving the # to say a Visa debit card that has a few bucks on it? Also, is the fee $5 for a year for the privelege of being a non-team member selling some of my stuff, or is the validation a $5 charge to verify the card, then its removed? |
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Quoted: Just a couple suggestions that I have no doubt will be glossed over - Remove PayPal from the front page of the listings and just allow pp or ppff on the item page on firearm related items. Still allow imgur photos(or am I missing this feature) I've forgotten how to add photos to my media here . Maybe tack this discussion on the EE forum, it may get some exposure for constructive discussion. Just tried to convert from old listing to new format of 25 ar15 magazines I have listed and is only allowing me 10 max on the new format. View Quote May I get a reply please? @Stylz @GoatBoy Thanks |
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What is the threshold that takes you from a no fee member and a fee paid dealer or "power seller" account?
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Quoted: I've been surfing through it this morning and it's still bad. Click on a picture to pop up and it's bigger but not big enough to discern real details. Same as the rest of the board. It's not good. It still feels like checking out at some second rate internet storefront. I realize that Goat and Sub have put in a lot of work on this but it has changed the tenor of the EE. It used to be an online gunshow put on by your local gun club. Now it is a business. Questions. Are guys allowed to post multiple items in a post? If not that will clog up the EE. Can someone explain how bumping will work now? I read about it here but I'm not sure I understand. View Quote I asked this earlier and GB answered (check above a couple posts) Although I’m still a bit confused. |
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Quoted: Agreed. I used this EE because I liked it. Not sure if I will continue - or find something new. Time will tell. Edit - @goatboy I gave it a spin. Only thing so far is, my zip code starts with a 0 - the new format keeps deleting the zero. Can the programmers set the parameters so a zero is an acceptable first digit? Seems to be working on the initial post, but when I went back to edit it had removed the digit. Thanks. Also, just a heads up for sellers - seems if you enter an image the old way, or with HTML - it won't show a thumbnail - so if you want a thumbnail - use the new image adding dohicky. View Quote Looking into this and will fix. Also ZIP CODE IS OPTIONAL!!!!! We will adjust so it is clearly labeled as such. |
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Quoted: My fear is the death of browsing the EE. lack of multiple items per listing, combined with a dealer fee structure that will allow dealers to list an unlimited number of overpriced ads with no listing fee will result it pages and pages of ads. this is great for someone who want to search for something specific. This is great for a dealer who want to put up a free add for every gun they have in the shop and only have to pay if they sell it. but for a guy who just want to cruise though the listings to see if anything interests him, having to scroll through pages and pages of stuff that doesn't interest them will stink. View Quote As we move forward we will continue to review and fix this so it's not an issue. This has been a HUGE concern with the EE at every phase. |
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Quoted: @goatboy Any way we can get a marker of some sort that shows what EE posts we have clicked on? It's usually how I look at what is new since the last time I browsed through the EE subsections. Without it - it's hard to differentiate what I've looked at and what I haven't. Thanks. View Quote On the list, we will push it up in priority. |
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Quoted: We took positive steps for privacy by scrubbing the names from the archives. This one with the record retention described in the OP is a big step backwards. The board was obviously going to cooperate with orders/warrants, but this one makes stuff way to easy to hand over detailed transactions after ATF suddenly decides some random legal item is now illegal. View Quote We will continue to protect you all and do not plan to store historic user data. So we will continue to scrub your info from both sales and purchases. We do not want to ever be in the middle of investigations, so the less we store, the better for us too. We have ALWAYS done what we can to protect your info and will continue to do so. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either projecting their grouchiness or hasn't been around long enough to know how we work. Again, to be clear. WE DO NOT PLAN TO KEEP USER DATA TIED TO TRANSACTIONS. I'd like to clean out all old transactions and keep the system super fast. The plan right now is deciding on the window to hold info in case of a problem between seller and buyer. |
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Quoted: Well I decided to try out the new EE and list some items. Overall, not a painful process. Being able to upload a picture directly instead of using a 3rd party website is helpful. Being able to put up text removes the biggest concern I had about not being able to list more than one item per ad (not that I've gone and listed all those small lots of brass, etc, yet). One concern I have is the requiring my credit card # to "validate" and make sales. I am really uncomfortable giving that out, due to hacking concerns. In any case, what would stop some scammer from giving the # to say a Visa debit card that has a few bucks on it? Also, is the fee $5 for a year for the privelege of being a non-team member selling some of my stuff, or is the validation a $5 charge to verify the card, then its removed? View Quote We do not store CC info. We send it to the merchant bank and they run the transaction and it's done. Never stays in our system, so no risk potential on our end with any financial information. This SHOULD be the standard way to do business, but I'm not sure why everyone doesn't do it. WE can always hit the bank for your info if we need it, but have to jump through hoops to validate in order to see it. (Which is a good thing!) To be clear on a non-team charge. It would last a year and only be an address check. If you are just a buyer, you wont need to worry about this. |
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Quoted: What is the threshold that takes you from a no fee member and a fee paid dealer or "power seller" account? View Quote Right now it's a rough guesstimate and we will adjust as we go and see what makes sense. The idea has always been that if someone is selling more than just their personal stuff, then they should become a dealer. This will replace the dealer program and instead of requiring a set fee for 6/12 months, the sales you make will drive your rate. It allows small folks, short term liquidation, and large folks all in a fair system. Oh and the thresholds are handled by limits to quantity, listings a month, and active ads. So again, we can quickly adjust to what makes sense to define a normal user and a volume person. |
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I posted this over in the EE for those folks and their questions, but I'm going to report here. It's a bit of everything on the NEW EE.
So a few key things, here's the link to the new interface to drive the new EE: https://www.ar15.com/exchange/index.html 1) The link above will be made the main link shortly and jumping into the old view is an option on the right menu by filters called text view. Jumping back to the new EE view is at the top bar of the forum pages "NEW EE VIEW". 2) Feedback and user tools (manage ads, manage offers, track purchases, etc) are all in the MY TOOLS button on the new EE. You should be able to find everything you need there. 3) There are no per sale fees for selling for either team members or non-team. Non-team will eventually be required to pay a small fee for a simple CC address check to cut down on scammers. (This is only to sell/wtt/wtb and not to buy.) Volume sellers ("Power Sellers") will replace the dealer program and allow for small and large dealers to play in the same pond with fees based on what you sell, not a yearly fee. This means small folks will pay a lot less and from proceeds of sales AFTER they sell. The proposed fees are shared in the how-to help file and are roughly 1%-3% based on the items sale price. Again, ONLY FOR DEALERS and most will be around 1.5%, not like gunbroker's 18% or ebays 12%. 4) Right now the goal is to NUKE user data when things are sold. We are not here to collect data on you folks. There's a lot of fear mongering going around about charging people crazy amounts (see above) and tracking data. We have NEVER tracked information on people, do not require your name or any personal info to use the site, and we do not intend to change this. Our goal is to make the EE easier to use and MUCH easier to manage. Collecting your personal information on EE transactions is not going to happen. We have a history of protecting you all and will continue to do so to the best of our ability. 5) The multiple listing per post is being addressed and I ask for time to correct the issue. We will make it so you can do a "clean out" type ad for your small stuff. We still want to see big items listed individually (lot/sets are fine) because those drive traffic and are easier to see, buy, and sell when they are the focus. 6) Quantity is being addressed and should have a fix this week. This will be for smaller ticket items like magazines, where individual listings makes ZERO sense. Again, this is on us and we will get it right. There will be different quantity restrictions, as there are now, for team and non-team. If you are planning to sell large amounts, please look at a volume seller account to simplify things for everyone. 7) The old EE view is going to be less helpful and useful than the new one. We recommend using the new system to see new listings as well as moving your old listings to new style. If you have bulk "clean out" style posts, just give us a little time to create a better system for you folks. 8) The NEW EE has it's own simple search as well as FILTERS on the right of the main view bar. This allows you to filter by state, manufacurer, etc. 9) If you find manufacturers that are missing, let us know. The list is huge, but it is obviously not complete. It's easy to add more to it, please just let us know! 10) HOW DOES IT WORK - So the basics are simple. Create a listing with either a fixed price or accepting offers. If you are doing something where you are dead-set on a price, then fixed price it. If you are ok with options or have item with quantity and discounts, then do accepting offers so users can send those in. - Once a listing exists, you can click the PLACE OFFER button in green to make an offer to buy an item. The seller will be sent notifications on all offers submitted. Sellers can interact with users and decide WHO they want to accept an offer from. Once it's accepted the deal is agreed to. So make sure you want to place an offer you are going to honor, otherwise comment in the listing or message the seller. Anything with multiple quantity will only lock down the quantity the buyer is trying to get. So if it's a single item or multiple, the quantity will be adjusted once the offer is accepted. - If you have an issue with anything above, you can request help from admins. For example if an accepted offer is welched on, you can report it and an admin to remove it and restore your listing. - If there are any other issues or question, post here and we will monitor this discussion to help!!!! - Once a transaction is completed (offer made and offer accepted) then you will see the item in sold/purchased list and be able to leave feedback for each other. Since this is a transactional system, feedback can't be manipulated or extras created. Each feedback requires an item to be listed and agreed to be sold. ONCE AGAIN, we do not plan to save historic data on users. I don't care if you bought a gun 3 years ago from someone else. We plan to wipe all of the user info after a 30/60/90 window. (Haven't decided 100% but leaning towards a 60 day window to allow for after sale disputes to be handled. Once user data is gone, it will be GONE.) Hope this helps and I'll run through the thread again to try to answer other questions posted that I may not have addressed. |
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Quoted: I posted a WTB ad in garands/carbines/m1a section to try it out. My ad got nuked. View Quote No, it just got moved. Some of us EE Mods missed a memo or something. https://www.ar15.com/forums/equipment-exchange/WTB-M1-carbine-USGI-northern-Indiana/130-2427140/ @steelworker |
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On the personal info front, we've been trying to get folks to STOP posting their emails and phone numbers in ads. I would love to see a note added when posting ads to remind people to not do that. @Stylz
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Ok, I am posting again...
A couple things about the new EE 1. Why do we need a thumbnail in the ad listing? It seems to clutter up the clean listing format. Just put a check mark in the listing indicating it has a picture when you click on the ad and open it. The thumbnail is too small to see any real detail anyways. Just get rid of it. It adds unnecessary clutter. 2. One of the things of beauty of the old (better EE) was the spacing between ads in list form was much closer together. This made browsing MUCH more pleasant and faster. It was visually more appealing to scan a lot of line items all at once for what caught your eye. This new format makes that much more difficult. At least for my brain. |
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Is there a way to upgrade to a “power seller” account even though I actually sell very little?
I want to be able to tell babes in real life that I’m a “power seller”. |
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