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Posted: 12/16/2023 5:37:54 PM EDT
Interesting video and article on how males in Ukraine are trying to flee to avoid literally getting snatched into vans by their gov (per videos elsewhere)
NYT Article ‘People Snatchers’: Ukraine’s Recruiters Use Harsh Tactics to Fill Ranks BBC  The Ukrainian men fleeing the draft: ‘Not everyone is a warrior’ - BBC World Service Documentaries Another video I came across. Scenes of people being hauled into vans. Report of peoples' bank accounts being frozen if they don't report for service. Pending mobilization bill.  Ukraine divided over controversial mobilisation bill • FRANCE 24 English Update: Those abroad who don't report for duty will get their assets frozen  Ukraine Drafting 500K MORE MEN To Serve In LOSING War Against Russia: Rising |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 5:44:55 PM EDT
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They’ll gladly take a handout from their government but the minute you ask them to sign up for service? They flee
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Posted: 12/16/2023 5:45:40 PM EDT
[#2]
That southern border security bit, ironic given the funding issue
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Posted: 12/16/2023 5:56:51 PM EDT
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My previous employer employed quite a few of them and it fucking disgusted me. I asked my boss about it and he said "they had the means to leave the country so they bought their way out and I should feel bad for them because they didn't know if they had a home to go back too!"
Maybe they would have had homes to go back to if they would have stayed and fought for their Slavic shithole instead of being a bunch of cowards and fleeing to America. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:00:43 PM EDT
[#4]
I just don't care....
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:09:35 PM EDT
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Every war has its draft dodgers.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:15:22 PM EDT
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Some people can see it’s already over.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:18:36 PM EDT
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There were plenty hanging out in Greece, Italy, Spain, and the French mediterranean. News story showed them hanging out at the beach worried about their country.
Oh and plenty of miltary aged Russian males too. Refugees.  I did my military service but if Joe Biden was asking or telling me to go I’d probably take a dive too. The Ukes with their home invaded and running, yea you soft ass pyssies. Your grandmas are tougher. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:18:46 PM EDT
[#8]
The Russians won't be as generous... if they escape Gulag.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:21:37 PM EDT
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No problem shaking down American taxpayers though.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:26:22 PM EDT
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lol, the NYT & BBC are literally Russian propaganda...
...rating this thread as troll |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:30:21 PM EDT
[#11]
Ukraine is being invaded. I understand not wanting to fund them, but I don’t understand the hate
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:32:50 PM EDT
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I wouldn't fight in that corrupt war either
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:36:32 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol, the NYT & BBC are literally Russian propaganda... ...rating this thread as troll 
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:37:42 PM EDT
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One of the telegram pages said a 15 year old was recently asked to show ID to a military recruiter at a sporting event. Was just joking that Scott Ritter was going to have competition for that age range, from ukrainian recruitment commissars
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:39:46 PM EDT
[#15]
If this was our land that was invaded, I would have no problem shooting those fleeing the fight.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:41:15 PM EDT
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“Not everyone is a warrior.”
They need truck drivers too you pussy. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:41:50 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine is being invaded. I understand not wanting to fund them, but I don’t understand the hate A fair number of them believe Ukraine is the root of all evil in the globohomo cabal and their glorious champion Putin is gonna stop them. 
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:43:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the telegram pages said a 15 year old was recently asked to show ID to a military recruiter First World problems :lol: When they "win" they can change it to Kiev and uncork their tampons over what qualifies as military age.   
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:44:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some people can see it’s already over. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:45:20 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They’ll gladly take a handout from their government but the minute you ask them to sign up for service? They flee So they are like women? |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:47:53 PM EDT
[#21]
I keep wondering how that youtuber Pavlo from Ukraine hasn't sent to fight yet, he's still there.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:49:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't fight in that corrupt war either Ditto. I wouldn't die for Z man or the wrong Western interests (England & US both of whom want war with Russia). |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:53:22 PM EDT
[#23]
Where are the usual suspects to refute all this?
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:53:40 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If this was our land that was invaded, I would have no problem shooting those fleeing the fight. Difference is we have the means and ability to shoot back. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:00:07 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: First World problems :lol: When they "win" they can change it to Kiev and uncork their tampons over what qualifies as military age. https://unagb.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/child-soldier-in-sierra-leone-pic-ap-88239223.jpg This kid ‘s alright, trigger finger discipline and the good sense to use the premium FAL, of course that means the higher class inch pattern SLR. 
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:00:55 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They’ll gladly take a handout from FIFY |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:02:48 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If this was our land that was invaded, I would have no problem shooting those fleeing the fight. And I’d have no problem shooting you, especially if you tried to conscript my child for a corrupt regime |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:03:49 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: edited out , especially if you tried to conscript my child for a corrupt regime Damn dude, That's a bit much. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:03:50 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They’ll gladly take a handout from their government but the minute you ask them to sign up for service? They flee Lol you would fight for Ukraine? |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:05:48 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You should consider editing your post. 
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:05:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some people can see it’s already over. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:08:41 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Every war has its draft dodgers. Dodging a draft for a war overseas vs keeping invading forces at bay But, I can understand if a person wants to avoid just being thrown into a wasteful meat grinder and having a pointless meaningless death |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:12:20 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He’s being sarcastic, I saw OPs article and similar days ago but I’m more focused on the $ issues |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:14:27 PM EDT
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Anybody with half a brain can see that the war was lost for Ukraine at the start and the continued fighting is just so Voldamort can keep the billions flowing in. Billions he’ll eventually flee to South America with courtesy of the US taxpayer. I can’t fault anybody for not wanting to be press ganged into dying for no good reason.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:15:18 PM EDT
[#35]
Et Tu BBC?
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:15:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He’s being sarcastic, I saw OPs article and similar days ago but I’m more focused on the $ issues Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He’s being sarcastic, I saw OPs article and similar days ago but I’m more focused on the $ issues Speaking of seeing the topic being one popping up a few days ago, looks like an evergreen topic, here is a video from 2mo ago. One guy who is pro-Ukranian military saying dying for your country is too high a price to pay for having a country   The Ukrainians who refuse to fight and are trying to leave the country | DW Analysis |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:19:21 PM EDT
[#37]
I helped hundreds when this first started. I would say 1/3 to 1/2 of each family group had a male that met the criteria to stay and fight. A lot of educated individuals that knew they had a chance in the US and sought asylum.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:20:33 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anybody with half a brain can see that the war was lost for Ukraine at the start and the continued fighting is just so Voldamort can keep the billions flowing in. Billions he’ll eventually flee to South America with courtesy of the US taxpayer. I can’t fault anybody for not wanting to be press ganged into dying for no good reason. He's going to retire in Florida. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:21:08 PM EDT
[#39]
My college room mate is still in Canada. It happens in every war.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:21:50 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine is being invaded. I understand not wanting to fund them, but I don’t understand the hate I am routing for the normal everyday Ukrainians, but with the whole Biden kickbacks, the way the CIA helped overthrow their government in '14, the way the "foreign policy elites" have been pushing NATO membership for Ukraine when Russia has said from the start that that was a clear red line for them, as well as the whole Ukraine blackmail pretext to Trumps impeachment....... It's hard to see good guys on either side. I feel horrible for the Ukrainian people. I also feel bad for the young Russian conscripts given no choice but to fight or end up in some gulag. As always it's the people in power on both sides who should be forced to fight this war they started, but an even more certain constant is that they never are the ones to pay the butchers bill. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:25:16 PM EDT
[#41]
It’s a shitty situation to be sure.
Your choices are to fight for a fagot globalist puppet, fight for Russia or leave and start over. At this point I don’t think I’d be willing to fight for or even with democrats, I don’t consider them to be Americans. Running isn’t a choice though so I guess you just fight whoever gets there first. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:25:51 PM EDT
[#42]
I know a few Ukrainian guys who came to the US in the past 10-20 years. They generally are happy to have gotten out when they did. They are not chomping at the bit to go back to fight.
They left because they felt there were no good options and thus no future there. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:28:46 PM EDT
[#43]
The War Machine needs medics, supply techs, automotive mechanics and computer techs too.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:29:35 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They’ll gladly take a handout from their government but the minute you ask them to sign up for service? They flee Sounds familiar |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:31:16 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine is being invaded. I understand not wanting to fund them, but I don’t understand the hate Agreed. Its just the popular thing to do.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:32:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Speaking of seeing the topic being one popping up a few days ago, looks like an evergreen topic, here is a video from 2mo ago. One guy who is pro-Ukranian military saying dying for your country is too high a price to pay for having a country  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzzXDDVajyYYeah I’ve seen them before, just more so since last month https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-needs-troops-aggressive-military-recruiting-tactics-russia-war-2023-12?amp  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:33:49 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol you would fight for Ukraine? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They’ll gladly take a handout from their government but the minute you ask them to sign up for service? They flee Lol you would fight for Ukraine? Ukraine fighting for its own country is every bit as honorable and likely more so then any war this country has fought for the last century. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:39:07 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The War Machine needs medics, supply techs, automotive mechanics and computer techs too. Problem is, those “non warriors” won’t get the choice on how to serve. Most likely up on the lines to get bombs dropped on you from drones. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:42:05 PM EDT
[#49]
I guess their patriotism has… faded like the sun.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:42:42 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They'll gladly take a handout from their government but the minute you ask them to sign up for service? They flee |
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