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Posted: 8/30/2020 7:47:05 PM EDT
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Liability expiration dates. Store it well and you’ll be good.
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Posted: 8/30/2020 7:47:13 PM EDT
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Yes.
Plates? Indefinite. Soft Armor, just don't get it wet. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 7:47:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Liability expiration dates. Store it well and you’ll be good. The most abuse it gets is dust.. It sits in an air conditioned room 100% of the time. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 7:48:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Plates? Indefinite. Soft Armor, just don't get it wet. Both and again the worst it gets is dust and its the south so moderate humidity with HVAC |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 7:53:22 PM EDT
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What brand and model? That makes a big difference.
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Posted: 8/30/2020 7:54:26 PM EDT
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Kevlar vests many, many years out of warranty still perform.
Zylon vests would degrade in months, even in optimal storage conditions. Even faster under harsher conditions. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 7:54:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Both and again the worst it gets is dust and its the south so moderate humidity with HVAC I would think it would be fine for a long time past expiration. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 7:56:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:00:43 PM EDT
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I think there is a difference between warranty and expiration. Cars don't expire after 3 years/36000 miles.
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:00:54 PM EDT
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there are some that feel the quality of the adhesive, binders, and materials used in the chinese made plates is questionable.
while they may perform properly new, over time, who knows? U.S. made ones shouldn't have any problems with long term storage in a closet |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:03:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryFactors for the soft armor: 1) Check it for holes. No holes means no moisture getting in, which is good. 2) Has it been creased or folded often? If you haven't bent, folded, worn the soft armor a lot, and it has no holes in the liner, you should be perfectly fine. With regard to the hard armor, that one strikes me as peculiar. For one, BulletProofMe doesn't manufacture anything. I'm surprised Nick would ever relabel something. The plate doesn't have an actual manufacturer's model number on it, a date, or who made it. Can you show the front of the plate? I can usually tell at a glance who made a plate if I see how the nylon is applied. If you can show a corner as well, and whether the nylon is welded, seamed, or stitched, that's also helpful. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:05:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Factors for the soft armor: 1) Check it for holes. No holes means no moisture getting in, which is good. 2) Has it been creased or folded often? If you haven't bent, folded, worn the soft armor a lot, and it has no holes in the liner, you should be perfectly fine. With regard to the hard armor, that one strikes me as peculiar. For one, BulletProofMe doesn't manufacture anything. I'm surprised Nick would ever relabel something. The plate doesn't have an actual manufacturer's model number on it, a date, or who made it. Can you show the front of the plate? I can usually tell at a glance who made a plate if I see how the nylon is applied. If you can show a corner as well, and whether the nylon is welded, seamed, or stitched, that's also helpful. I sure as hell can.. Standby :-) |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:07:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: Im sure its been covered but im asking none the less.. Does armor go bad? I see it has expiration dates.. But i assume thats for shit being worn day in and day out.. If its sitting in my closet or bed side should i expect armor to be good past expiration? Especially when worn weekly/daily... but soft panels for concealable armor are done for after 5 years. The ceramic fibers degrade. Hard panels, not so much. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:14:27 PM EDT
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And to be 110% upfront.. here is where im going.. The rona has added a couple inches to my mid section.. so my cummerbund doesn't fit. I need to order a new carrier. the question is do i need to order a new carrier or a new carier and armor.
 
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:16:28 PM EDT
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and yes this is a Kyle thread.. Watching a dude get his arm vaporized made me look into my own shit.. Including armor and medical..
This is the way.. All praise Kyle |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:16:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And to be 110% upfront.. here is where im going.. The rona has added a couple inches to my mid section.. so my cummerbund doesn't fit. I need to order a new carrier. the question is do i need to order a new carrier or a new carier and armor. https://i.imgur.com/oX67QBH.jpg https://i.imgur.com/aYC58O1.jpg Those are LTC ICW plates. If you're just storing them in a closet until needed, they'll last 20 years. Also, do you have a small pet? 
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:18:02 PM EDT
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I used to have some european level III. I dont even know where it is now.
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:18:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Especially when worn weekly/daily... but soft panels for concealable armor are done for after 5 years. The ceramic fibers degrade. Hard panels, not so much. The above is misinformation that should be ignored. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:18:07 PM EDT
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and no.. No creases.. No folds no holes in soft armor..
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:18:52 PM EDT
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My dept sends old vests (soft armor) that expired to the lab for tests were we need the Kevlar panels. While I wouldn’t ever advocate a dept issuing expired Kevlar, in my experience even vests shot to hell, actually work very well as far as stopping bullets
ETA: I’ve shot tons of handguns rounds into soft armor, no exp doing the same to plates |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:19:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those are LTC ICW plates. If you're just storing them in a closet until needed, they'll last 20 years. Also, do you have a small pet? I got a yorkie that will eat your fucking face off dude.. If you give me your address ill send his ass to you!! I got a boxer and a pit mix you would think would eat your face off.. Negative... My number 1 defender is the GD yorkie.. That little shit picked a fight with the 160 pound dobie across the street.. Hes got more balls than sense. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:20:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: Im sure its been covered but im asking none the less.. Does armor go bad? I see it has expiration dates.. But i assume thats for shit being worn day in and day out.. If its sitting in my closet or bed side should i expect armor to be good past expiration? Yes, not only can it go bad but throwing it out when it is bad/expired is a federal crime as the material used to make the armor is toxic. Send it to me, I am a fully trained and an authorized/licensed FBI (Federated Body Inspector) and I will inspect it for you. If the armor is bad I will safely and legally depose of it for you. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:21:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, not only can it go bad but throwing it out when it is bad/expired is a federal crime as the material used to make the armor is toxic. Send it to me, I am a fully trained and an authorized/licensed FBI (Federated Body Inspector) and I will inspect it for you. If the armor is bad I will safely and legally depose of it for you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Im sure its been covered but im asking none the less.. Does armor go bad? I see it has expiration dates.. But i assume thats for shit being worn day in and day out.. If its sitting in my closet or bed side should i expect armor to be good past expiration? Yes, not only can it go bad but throwing it out when it is bad/expired is a federal crime as the material used to make the armor is toxic. Send it to me, I am a fully trained and an authorized/licensed FBI (Federated Body Inspector) and I will inspect it for you. If the armor is bad I will safely and legally depose of it for you. You're going to ask it questions? |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:22:28 PM EDT
[#24]
steel pretty much lasts forever.
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:22:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Especially when worn weekly/daily... but soft panels for concealable armor are done for after 5 years. The ceramic fibers degrade. Hard panels, not so much. da fuq? |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:23:07 PM EDT
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Only if it’s Hesco cause they don’t give a fuck about you
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:24:08 PM EDT
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Well, this thread just might go places.
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:26:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: steel pretty much lasts forever. I got a set of steel for the Mrs.. A lightweight set of ceramic for the kid.. and dad has the full monty. ive been steadily upgrading and handing down |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:30:31 PM EDT
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I think most soft Kevlar vest have 5 year warranty. My old department replaced it every 5 years. At our range some 20-25 year old vest have been tested on dummies and worked every time. As for washing being discouraged I believe that is machine wash or using bleach or other hard detergents. Because if you've ever worn body armor for 12-16 hours in the summer you know it gets real wet. Water doesn't hurt it.
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Posted: 8/30/2020 8:36:30 PM EDT
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It’s been years ago, when I was researching my purchase, I think it’s on one of my old laptops, but there is an extensive.gov agency test, FBI I think, of soft body armor.
The end results were; even first generation soft vests were still stopping bullets, 20-30 years after manufacture. Found an interesting Canook Study |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 9:10:53 PM EDT
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I hope its still good it was issued to me in 04
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Posted: 8/30/2020 9:13:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think most soft Kevlar vest have 5 year warranty. My old department replaced it every 5 years. At our range some 20-25 year old vest have been tested on dummies and worked every time. As for washing being discouraged I believe that is machine wash or using bleach or other hard detergents. Because if you've ever worn body armor for 12-16 hours in the summer you know it gets real wet. Water doesn't hurt it. You should never wash soft panels. Of there is a hole in the liner, it will render the armor useless. If there isn't a hole, washing it might make one. Finally, the tumble cycle puts massive wear on the fibers. The NIJ simulates years of wear by tumbling soft panels. To reiterate, don't wash your soft panels. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 9:14:33 PM EDT
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I've shot the hell out of old soft Kevlar panel at least 12 years old maybe more. I have six of them. So I figured why not shoot one.
I shot it multiple times with everything from .22 up to 357 and 45 acp . I even shot it with a 50 cal muzzle loader at 100 yrs. Trust me, even though it did not penetrate the soft Kevlar panel. You do not want to get shot with a 50 cal muzzle loader. But I still shoot it every now and then. I use it in my reloading room inside of a lined box with towels to test reloads. Nothing's gone through it yet. I know one thing with soft armor you need a trauma plate or your screwed if you get hit in the chest around heart. You'll probably still die from a cardiac tamponade/blunt trauma to heart. When I was in the military we used hard Kevlar panels we tested them with everything from 5.56 to 7.62 I like Kevlar hard panels they can take multiple hits also. I do not know how long they last but the one I've shot. I put it through the ringer. I even put against a block wall on top of phone books where there was no give. At point blank and no penetration. Oh yeah these were military Kevlar soft panels 10x12 and crotch panels |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 9:19:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think there is a difference between warranty and expiration. Cars don't expire after 3 years/36000 miles. you know how I know you never owned a 1970s-era General Motors car? |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 9:20:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: you know how I know you never owned a 1970s-era General Motors car? Pfft.. Ive owned a Triumph TR6.. that bitches electrical was out of warranty on the lot |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 9:21:29 PM EDT
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I've shot kevlar vests that were up to 30 years old, on multiple occasions. Stopped everything they were rated for. Every time.
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Posted: 8/30/2020 9:24:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think there is a difference between warranty and expiration. Cars don't expire after 3 years/36000 miles. My Ford Taurus did! 
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Posted: 8/30/2020 9:33:01 PM EDT
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When we disposed of a bunch of expired vests, I was told by the Dept buyer that the reason we got rid of them was DuPont would no longer warranty the fabric after that "expiration" date and we didn't want the liability if it failed on an officer, so we trashed them, literally, (
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Posted: 8/30/2020 9:33:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pfft.. Ive owned a Triumph TR6.. that bitches electrical was out of warranty on the lot Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: you know how I know you never owned a 1970s-era General Motors car? Pfft.. Ive owned a Triumph TR6.. that bitches electrical was out of warranty on the lot Electrics by Lucas, the people who invented darkness. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 9:51:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Electrics by Lucas, the people who invented darkness. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: you know how I know you never owned a 1970s-era General Motors car? Pfft.. Ive owned a Triumph TR6.. that bitches electrical was out of warranty on the lot Electrics by Lucas, the people who invented darkness. Right? |
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