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Link Posted: 7/21/2023 11:19:27 AM EDT
[#1]
Selling Disney by the Pound - Razör Rants
Link Posted: 7/22/2023 7:09:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlashMan-7k] [#2]
https://www.westernjournal.com/desperate-disney-reached-3-major-companies-dump-espn/

Desperate Disney Reached Out to 3 Major Companies to Dump Some of ESPN

...
According to CNBC, Disney’s sports division has been holding talks on “strategic partnerships” with Major League Baseball, the National Basketball Association and the National Football League to see if any of the three major leagues might be willing to come on as minority investors.

The NBA seemed to confirm that discussions have taken place: “We have a longstanding relationship with Disney and look forward to continuing the discussions around the future of our partnership,” the league said in a statement.

MLB and the NFL declined to comment.



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Slow motion crash.

Cruise ship crashes into dock and tourist boat in Venice


Funny. In this one, many people reacted the same way.  (This is not real. It is not happening. That's too big to happen) as they watch the ship coming at them.
Link Posted: 7/26/2023 4:15:52 PM EDT
[#3]
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2023/07/26/disney-settles-class-action-lawsuit-claiming-magic-key-annual-pass-deceived-consumers/

Disney Settles Class Action Lawsuit Claiming Magic Key Annual Pass Deceived Consumers

The Walt Disney Company has settled a $5 million class action lawsuit brought by fans who claimed the Magic Key annual pass for Disneyland didn’t grant them unlimited access to the park as promised.

The federal suit, which was initiated by a Disney fan named Jenale Nielsen, alleged Disney deceived consumers who purchased the Magic Key — the most expensive pass — into thinking they would have unlimited access to the Anaheim, California park.

A family poses for a picture inside the Magic Key Starcade Experience at Disneyland in Anaheim, CA, on Wednesday, September 1, 2021.  (Jeff Gritchen/MediaNews Group/Orange County Register via Getty Images)

But, they claimed, in reality, many days were blocked out because daily ticket sales were given priority. The lawsuit accused Disney of favoring daily ticket sales over reservations made by Magic Key holders.

Both sides have until the end of next month to figure out the details fof the preliminary agreement before it is approved by the court, according to the Disney site Daps Magic.



   Settlement Reached for Disney's Magic Key Lawsuit https://t.co/yofnINkSBk #Disney #MagicKey #MagicKeyLawsuit pic.twitter.com/EaP3RdufHk

   — Daps Magic (@DAPs_Magic) July 25, 2023

Jenale Nielsen filed the original suit in 2021 after purchasing a  $1,399 Dream Key pass — the most expensive Magic Key tier.

Nielsen claimed she believed she could visit Disneyland any day she wanted, because Disney promoted the Dream Key as having “no block-out dates.”  But she soon discovered that she couldn’t get in for most of the month of November, including every weekend, according to the lawsuit.
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Plus for the day:

Link Posted: 7/26/2023 4:33:05 PM EDT
[#4]
Watched a discussion about the competing state and federal cases with Fl v Disney.  The experts say Disney will lose…..unless a few mean words from DeSantis are the decider…not likely.  Reedy Creek agreement will be re-done.
There’s some bond issuance items that border on security fraud.
Link Posted: 7/26/2023 10:32:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlashMan-7k] [#5]
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Originally Posted By nightstalker:
Watched a discussion about the competing state and federal cases with Fl v Disney.  The experts say Disney will lose…..unless a few mean words from DeSantis are the decider…not likely.  Reedy Creek agreement will be re-done.
There’s some bond issuance items that border on security fraud.
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@nightstalker

Reedy creek agreement has already been redone. Disney lost it, lost the sweetheart deals, and the new special district is limited to what other special districts are allowed to do too, and equally important, the new SD is no longer disney's proxy (when it never legally should have been).

Oh, and you can see the new special district's meetings now.

https://www.youtube.com/@CentralFloridaTourismOversight

Disney is stomping it's feet in these court cases and putting itself at risk of having to pay off the billion dollar bond that the old reedy creek SD ran up.  The short of it is, the old SD was allowed to issue *tax free* bonds ... on the basis that it was not controlled by disney. It has been an open "secret" forever now that disney controlled RC sd. In fact, iger effectively admitted such in one of the recent earnings calls, when he said words that meant ... when florida took legal action against the reedy creek special district (which is what they did) they actually took action against disney.

Except the SD was not suposed to be controlled by disney. Action against it shouldn't amount to legal action against disney.

Disney is risking discovery on that.

It could wind up where the state gets to have a lien on disney property for the amount of the lien.

All disney had to do was not play politics.
Link Posted: 7/27/2023 8:32:29 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:

@nightstalker

Reedy creek agreement has already been redone. Disney lost it, lost the sweetheart deals, and the new special district is limited to what other special districts are allowed to do too, and equally important, the new SD is no longer disney's proxy (when it never legally should have been).

Oh, and you can see the new special district's meetings now.

https://www.youtube.com/@CentralFloridaTourismOversight

Disney is stomping it's feet in these court cases and putting itself at risk of having to pay off the billion dollar bond that the old reedy creek SD ran up.  The short of it is, the old SD was allowed to issue *tax free* bonds ... on the basis that it was not controlled by disney. It has been an open "secret" forever now that disney controlled RC sd. In fact, iger effectively admitted such in one of the recent earnings calls, when he said words that meant ... when florida took legal action against the reedy creek special district (which is what they did) they actually took action against disney.

Except the SD was not suposed to be controlled by disney. Action against it shouldn't amount to legal action against disney.

Disney is risking discovery on that.

It could wind up where the state gets to have a lien on disney property for the amount of the lien.

All disney had to do was not play politics.
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:
Originally Posted By nightstalker:
Watched a discussion about the competing state and federal cases with Fl v Disney.  The experts say Disney will lose…..unless a few mean words from DeSantis are the decider…not likely.  Reedy Creek agreement will be re-done.
There’s some bond issuance items that border on security fraud.

@nightstalker

Reedy creek agreement has already been redone. Disney lost it, lost the sweetheart deals, and the new special district is limited to what other special districts are allowed to do too, and equally important, the new SD is no longer disney's proxy (when it never legally should have been).

Oh, and you can see the new special district's meetings now.

https://www.youtube.com/@CentralFloridaTourismOversight

Disney is stomping it's feet in these court cases and putting itself at risk of having to pay off the billion dollar bond that the old reedy creek SD ran up.  The short of it is, the old SD was allowed to issue *tax free* bonds ... on the basis that it was not controlled by disney. It has been an open "secret" forever now that disney controlled RC sd. In fact, iger effectively admitted such in one of the recent earnings calls, when he said words that meant ... when florida took legal action against the reedy creek special district (which is what they did) they actually took action against disney.

Except the SD was not suposed to be controlled by disney. Action against it shouldn't amount to legal action against disney.

Disney is risking discovery on that.

It could wind up where the state gets to have a lien on disney property for the amount of the lien.

All disney had to do was not play politics.


Yes, that’s most of what I heard in the discussion.  The mouse is rightfully suffering.
Link Posted: 7/28/2023 10:20:47 PM EDT
[#7]
*Heavily* truncated for the tl : dr crew. Read the whole thing at the link if you want it all and coherently.
https://www.thewrap.com/bob-iger-strike-disney-sale/
No More Mr. Nice Guy: Bob Iger May Just Want to Sell Disney and Be Done

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The CEO’s uncharacteristic antagonism toward strikers may point to an M&A state of mind
Peter Csathy
July 27, 2023 @ 9:44 AM

...

Why the sudden about-face by Mr. Nice to become the dual strikes’ Dr. Evil? It all may be because he’s got an industry upending deal — a sale of Disney — on his mind, and his primary audience is Wall Street, not Hollywood talent.

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Keep in mind, Iger was speaking to CNBC, as direct a megaphone to Wall Street trading floors as you can get. His comments may reflect a desire to present the best possible economic case to his Sun Valley audience — other captains of industry and the financial community whom he needs on his side to cross the goal line. Big-ticket M&A covets stability, rather than transformed basic industry economics. Uncertainty and change don’t translate well into higher price tags for assets. I’ve been on both sides of the table in media acquisition deals and have experienced this first-hand.

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Analysts strongly believe Iger is considering a sale of Mouse House assets — he all but put a “for sale” sign on the ABC network in that same CNBC interview. Adding credibility to this M&A scenario are Iger’s recent comments that linear television “may not be core” to Disney’s business, comments he later tried to walk back. Even ESPN, once a sacred cow, is sacred no more, as Iger seeks outside investors to help fund the network’s transition to streaming.

...

Apple’s Tim Cook, another Sun Valley regular, is most assuredly watching this movie. He is the obvious buyer, and an Apple-Disney pairing would be applauded by Wall Street.

...

To be clear, Cook certainly wouldn’t want to buy all of Disney’s assets, like its theme parks, for example. Apple, in great need of franchise content and a deeper content pool for Apple TV+ to more effectively compete with Netflix and Max, would likely seek to acquire just Disney’s prized entertainment assets, leaving the theme parks and TV networks for others to pick over. 

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UBER tl : dr - There has been speculation that disney or large assets of disney may be sold off to apple making the rounds for a while now.
Link Posted: 7/29/2023 9:02:10 PM EDT
[#8]
Disney LOSES in Florida Court. My Reasoning CONFIRMED
Disney LOSES in Florida Court. My Reasoning CONFIRMED
Link Posted: 7/29/2023 10:11:08 PM EDT
[#9]
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Originally Posted By Stretchman:
This is asinine. These people need to fix this. We have two sides battling it out for control over a theme park agenda designed for children. We're 50-50 on whose agenda the children should be exposed to.

Now for a short course in economics. We just spent massive bucks building a railroad that goes from south Florida to Disney. A major part of our revenue is tourism and we are looking at being in the unique position of being able to sell people worldwide vacation packages that would include overnight stays in south Florida, a cruise, and a chance to ride a high speed rail system to visit Disney plus all the world famous attractions that south Florida has to offer. For a lot of people, it's our bread and butter. We need that money.

Personally, I give two shits about anyone else's personal agenda. These people need to pull their heads out of their asses and fix this. We have been bleeding cash since this bullshit started. I really don't think the kids care either way, but parents sure do. There's a time and place for everything, and Disney, das not it. Period.

Think of the global ramifications. For us, for them, and for those companies that depend on the cruise ships for their income as well.

Im just having a hard time picturing some kid telling their parents to skip Disney cause it's not woke enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IAj7UxMqiU
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Decaf,but username fits.
Link Posted: 7/29/2023 10:14:29 PM EDT
[#10]
Apple would be a good fit for Disney.
Link Posted: 7/30/2023 8:58:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlashMan-7k] [#11]
7-30

TL : DW - right as disney was losing it's old special district they rammed through an agreement trying to do a "takesiebacksie" to try and continue having control as they did in the old special district  - uber sleazy HOA tricks (remember that stupid king charles / insanely long time stuff?).

The new incoming special district board that disney doesn't like, cooperate with or control ... sued them over this abject nonsense.

Disney tried to get the case thrown out. Well, the judge ruled that no, it's not being thrown out, if you got what you wanted this would change ALL hoa law in florida and bring up huge questions of state government sovereignty, etc.

Lawyer in the video says that this should/will (we'll see) stop the federal case that disney has going because the state case has to be resolved first.

Basically, disney got cup-checked with a baseball bat.

ETA: Sweet,

Everrest

Found it too.

Disney LOSES in Florida Court. My Reasoning CONFIRMED
Link Posted: 7/30/2023 9:10:45 PM EDT
[#12]
No TL : DW.  It's a summation of the situation disney is in so far.

IMO, worth your time. It is "pepperidge farms remembers" with sober analysis.

Disney Is BROKEN. Thank Bob Iger.

Link Posted: 7/30/2023 9:18:55 PM EDT
[#13]
CEO of IMAX saying marvel movie "the marvels" is a backup, just in case dune 2 gets delayed.

https://www.westernjournal.com/imax-ceo-relegates-disney-backup-wont-show-marvel-film-unless-dune-2-gets-delayed/

IMAX CEO Relegates Disney to 'Backup,' Won't Show Marvel Film Unless 'Dune 2' Gets Delayed
 By Bryan Chai  July 30, 2023 at 10:50am

Gelfond was speaking about the upcoming Disney/Marvel movie “The Marvels” and how “we can’t play it because we are committed to” the sequel to the blockbuster sci-fi epic, “Dune.” “The Marvels” is slated to release Nov. 10, and “Dune: Part Two” comes out just a week earlier on the 3rd.

Instead of splitting the large IMAX theaters (and the extra revenue that comes from those more expensive tickets), it appears “Dune: Part Two” will get all the attention at IMAX.

The IMAX CEO called the female-led “Marvels” movie as “great,” but added that “Dune 2” would have to be delayed or moved and only then would the IMAX theaters “go over to” the Disney film.

And Gelfond doesn’t expect “Dune: Part Two” to be delayed.

“[M]y own opinion, is that [Dune 2 is] highly unlikely to move,” Gelfond added, before calling his statement “an educated opinion.”

“The Marvels,” meanwhile, have been relegated to Plan B for IMAX.

“[H]aving a Marvel movie as a backup is not the worst position to be in the world,” Gelfond said, in perhaps his most stinging of backhanded compliments.
Link Posted: 7/30/2023 9:19:19 PM EDT
[#14]
Anybody read anything about Lucasfilm being audited by Disney? Some Star wars sites are saying Kennedy is on leave and Disney is auditing Lucasfilm because Kennedy shifted money to fund an unapproved project.

LucasFilm
Link Posted: 7/30/2023 9:22:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bunnysriflestock:
Anybody read anything about Lucasfilm being audited by Disney? Some Star wars sites are saying Kennedy is on leave and Disney is auditing Lucasfilm because Kennedy shifted money to fund an unapproved project.

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I have heard that but I have seen no confirmation of it.

We do know that the UK recently smacked the production of the acolyte (which is giving off every sign of being a hot pile of garbage in the making) with some interesting tax ... stuff.

IIRC, it was basically "straighten this out or we own the production" or something very like that.

Link Posted: 7/30/2023 9:23:44 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/31/2023 6:16:46 PM EDT
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From here:

The Disney World Parks are even more EMPTY this week!! | Hollywood Studios Late Summer Park Update!


According to the YT'er it's 2 years that rise of the resistance has been in B-mode (less immersive, less things working, etc.) for a lot time (during those 2 years).  DW has just not fixed it.
Link Posted: 7/31/2023 6:49:20 PM EDT
[#18]
So tell me again when Iger is going to announce his entry into the D POTUS field?

He does have a supercalifragilistic record of burning money, which is a hallmark D career qualifier.
Link Posted: 7/31/2023 11:35:34 PM EDT
[#19]
Splash Mountain consistently polls as the best theme park ride in the world. So Disney has shut it down and they are currently tearing it down.

The country is short something like 5 million births over the last 5 years. That's a lot of children who will not only never be born, they will also never go to a Disney park when they are 2 years old, or 5, or 15, or 35, or 75. Just the drop in births must have cost them several billion in revenue over a 5 year period, and over a 50 year period perhaps 100 billion in lost revenue.

Strange that a company like Disney, which relies on children to make money, would be so anti-child and anti-family.
Link Posted: 8/1/2023 9:52:19 PM EDT
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8-1

Iger has hired previous possible sucessors of his to try and staunch the bleeding.

Video says that dis has lost a very large advert partner, but not which (yet, at least).

(see related news on how disney has been mis-handling advertiser relations and worse here).

Disney Gets Tom Staggs and Kevin Mayer Back to the Company as Disney+ and ESPN+ Ads Reportedly Fall!


It would seem iger is trying to find a way to sorth through their current contracts/deals and find a way to start cutting away fat and converting everything to streaming, and maybe sandbagging for the earnings call by doing hires that would make investors happy.


Link Posted: 8/1/2023 10:24:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By IwasBrian:
Only hurts hard working Americans. The foreign investors enjoy when Americans suffer.
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Truly fuck anyone who works for a company who is largely responsible for what is going on in America today.
Link Posted: 8/1/2023 10:32:43 PM EDT
[#22]
I hope they suffer. They deserve to suffer. Walt Disney would agree.
Link Posted: 8/1/2023 10:33:56 PM EDT
[#23]
Link Posted: 8/1/2023 10:41:16 PM EDT
[#24]
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:
https://i.postimg.cc/DfWcygRH/disney-tickets.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/wB7kyQ71/dis-tickets-2.jpg

From here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI_ul3gRrCM

According to the YT'er it's 2 years that rise of the resistance has been in B-mode (less immersive, less things working, etc.) for a lot time (during those 2 years).  DW has just not fixed it.
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Link Posted: 8/3/2023 12:40:58 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/8/2023 4:06:24 PM EDT
[#26]
Disney creates task force to explore AI and cut costs - sources
By Dawn Chmielewski and Krystal Hu
August 8, 20236:55 PM UTCUpdated an hour ago

Aug 8 (Reuters) - Walt Disney (DIS.N) has created a task force to study artificial intelligence and how it can be applied across the entertainment conglomerate, even as Hollywood writers and actors battle to limit the industry's exploitation of the technology.

Launched earlier this year, before the Hollywood writers' strike, the group is looking to develop AI applications in-house as well as form partnerships with startups, three sources told Reuters.

As evidence of its interest, Disney has 11 current job openings seeking candidates with expertise in artificial intelligence or machine learning.

The positions touch virtually every corner of the company - from Walt Disney Studios to the company's theme parks and engineering group, Walt Disney Imagineering, to Disney-branded television and the advertising team, which is looking to build a "next-generation" AI-powered ad system, according to the job ad descriptions.

A Disney spokesperson declined to comment.

One of the sources, an internal advocate who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject, said legacy media companies like Disney must either figure out AI or risk obsolescence.

This supporter sees AI as one tool to help control the soaring costs of movie and television production, which can swell to $300 million for a major film release like "Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny" or "The Little Mermaid." Such budgets require equally massive box office returns simply to break even. Cost savings would be realized over time, the person said.

Link Posted: 8/9/2023 7:55:13 PM EDT
[#27]
WALT DISNEY COMPANY EARNINGS CALL LIVE Q3 2023 | Bob Iger's RECKONING?
WALT DISNEY COMPANY EARNINGS CALL LIVE Q3 2023 | Bob Iger's RECKONING?
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 8:58:42 PM EDT
[#28]
BUMP: Earning CAll livestream link in OP Hot, Hop on.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 9:04:38 PM EDT
[#29]
Pre-call discussion of numbers (I am watching at 2x speed trying to catch up)

disney + lost -300k core market (usa) subs (lost) this quarter (over -300k lost quarter)

disney+ hotstar lost 12 million subs in india
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 9:12:57 PM EDT
[#30]
Restructuring and imparment cahrges
in the current quarter the company recorded charges of 2,440,000,000 related to the removal of content from our dtc services and the termnation of certain thir dparty license agreements for the right to use cotent primarily on our DTC platforms (content impairment charge) and 210,000,000 of severagnce. During the prior year quarter the company recorded charges of 42,000,000 primarily due to asset imparments related to exiting our businesses in russia
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 9:56:10 PM EDT
[#31]
WDW pro is guessing that based on statements on the call that hulu could cost disney more than 20 billion, instead of 9.2 billion.

They seem to be confirming that they are going to need to get credit to cover the cost as well, even at the 9.2 bn cost.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 10:29:27 PM EDT
[#32]
WDW pro saying that disney is about to spend 10-14% of their total coporate value to cover the hulu put ... to buy the last 1/3 of a streaming service they are basically running now (apparently comcast doesn't run things at hulu day to day now? That's what I've heard anyhow, take with a bag of salt).
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 10:57:16 PM EDT
[#33]
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/disney-streaming-subs-miss-company-surprises-huge-streaming-price-hike-slashes-capex
Disney Streaming Subs Miss, As Company Surprises With Huge Price Hike, Slashes CapEx Outlook
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by Tyler Durden
Wednesday, Aug 09, 2023 - 09:24 PM

It's going from bad to worse for Hollywood woke icon Disney, and embattled CEO Bob Iger, whose stock is unchanged over the past decade and today's earnings release won't help: while the company reported earnings which beat expectations (just barely) amid a massive cost-cutting effort, even as total revenue and streaming subs missed, despite continued - for now - strength at Disney parks where one can enter in exchange for at least one kidney).

Here are the Q3 highlights:

   Adjusted EPS $1.03 vs. $1.09 y/y, beating estimates of 99c (the company recorded $2.44b charge in 3Q related to the removal of content from DTC services and termination of certain third party license agreements)
   Revenue $22.33 billion, +3.8% y/y, missing estimates of $22.51 billion
       Media and entertainment distribution revenue $14.00 billion, -0.8% y/y, missing estimates of $14.36 billion
       Parks, experiences and products revenue $8.33 billion, +13% y/y, beating estimates of $8.25 billion
   Total segment operating income $3.56 billion, -0.2% y/y, beating estimates of $3.4 billion
       Media and entertainment distribution operating income $1.13 billion, -18% y/y, beating estimates of $1.05 billion
       Parks, experiences and products operating income $2.43 billion, +11% y/y, beating estimates of $2.39 billion
   Direct-to-consumer operating loss $512m, missing estimates of loss $777.7m
   Disney+ subscribers 146.1 million, missing estimates of 154.8 million
       ESPN+ subscribers 25.2 million, beating estimates of 25.8 million
       Hulu & Live TV subscribers 4.30 million, missing estimates of 4.40 million
       Total Hulu subscribers 48.3 million, missing estimates of 48.7 million
   ESPN+ ARPU $5.45, missing estimates of $5.69
   Hulu SVOD ARPU $12.39, beating estimates of $12.25
   Hulu Live TV + SVOD ARPU $91.80, missing estimates of $92.52

Commenting on the results, Bob Iger said that "In the eight months since my return, these important changes are creating a more cost-effective, coordinated, and streamlined approach to our operations that has put us on track to exceed our initial goal of $5.5 billion in savings as well as improved our direct-to-consumer operating income by roughly $1 billion in just three quarters."

Despite the revenue miss, the company beat earnings after the world’s largest entertainment company launched an extensive cost-cutting effort after CEO Bob Iger returned to run the company in November. That included 7,000 job cuts and other reductions in spending.

Looking at the key driver of DIS growth, streaming, there was good and bad news:

   The good news is that Disney’s online video operation cut its loss to $512 million from more than $1 billion a year ago, an improvement to the company's recent guidance that the direct-to-consumer business would lose more than $750 million in the quarter.
   The bad news is that Disney+ streaming subs tumbled 7.4% to 146.1 million from the previous three months, missing the 154.8 million consensus analysts had expected. While nearly all of that shortfall was borne by the company’s Disney+ Hotstar in Asia where it lost almost 25% of its customers after Disney failed to renew streaming rights for popular cricket games in the Indian Premier League, domestic Disney+ subs also dropped: subs in the U.S. and Canada dropped to 46 million subscribers, from 46.3 million in the previous quarter; marked the second time ever that the company saw Disney+ lose North American subscribers.

The company’s parks business generated $8.33 billion in revenue, a 13% increase from a year earlier. The company said growth at its international parks offset lower results domestically.

Parks and streaming aside, Disney continues to be a melting ice cube and reported a 23% decline in profit, to $1.89 billion, in traditional TV, underscoring the troubles confronting that division; the number was $100 million less than what analysts had expected. The business, which includes channels such as ABC and ESPN, has been buffeted by falling cable subscribers, lower broadcast advertising sales and higher programming costs for sports.

Once a reliable engine of profit for Disney, linear TV has seen its operating income plunge in recent years as more consumers cut the cable cord and switch to streaming video as their primary source of home entertainment.

Adding insult to injury, management is also now dealing with strikes by the Writers Guild of America and Screen Actors Guild that have effectively shut down production of new TV shows and movies across the entire media industry.

So realizing that he has to wow the street with something, or else risk losing his job again, for the second time in about a year, Iger announced a round of staggering price increases to its various streaming products, raising the cost of the ad-free versions of Disney+ and Hulu by as much as 27% each.

The company also raised prices on its Hulu Live television packages and announced the launch of a new bundle known as the Duo Premium, which pairs Disney+ and Hulu without ads for $19.99 a month. Previously, the company had offered both services as stand-alone products, or bundled with ESPN+ for the same price.

Wednesday’s price increases, which take effect in October, mean that the monthly cost of the ad-free stand-alone version of Disney+ has doubled to $13.99 from its 2019 introductory price of $6.99. The price of Disney’s ad-free Hulu service will rise to $17.99 from $14.99, making it more expensive than the most popular ad-free version of rival Netflix.

The changes come as Disney struggles to pivot from its old model of distributing content in movie theaters, on network and cable television and through the sale of physical media to a streaming-first paradigm.

Since launching Disney+ in late 2019, the company has lost more than $10 billion in its direct-to-consumer segment, which also includes Hulu and ESPN+. And for much of the past year, Disney’s shares have traded below $100 as investors have grown impatient with media companies such as Disney that have spent heavily to acquire subscribers without giving priority to profit.

In March, Iger said that in its “zeal to grow global subs,” the company had underpriced its streaming services and hinted that higher prices were coming. In December, after the company launched its first-ever ad-supported tier for Disney+ and raised prices on the ad-free version by $3, the low level of cancellations indicated that there was room to raise prices further without reducing demand, Iger said.

Disney is also in the throes of major management upheaval: Iger signaled in a July interview with CNBC that TV networks including ABC, Freeform and FX, which contributed about half of Disney’s operating income before the pandemic, “may not be core” to the company any longer. He’s also seeking to sell a stake in the ESPN sports business to a partner that can help accelerate the network’s transition to streaming. Iger recently hired former lieutenants Kevin Mayer and Tom Staggs as consultants to advise on that effort.

On Tuesday, ESPN announced a long-term agreement with casino operator Penn Entertainment Inc. to license its brand for sports betting. Penn will make cash payments totaling $1.5 billion over the 10-year term and grant ESPN $500 million of warrants to purchase Penn shares.

While the stock was sharply lower in after-hours trading on the revenue and subscriber miss, and not even news of the surging subscriber costs did anything to move the stock, what did send DIS stock sharply higher after hours was the flashing red Bloomberg headline from the conference call that Disney would slash its capex by $5 billion compared to prior forecast. The news of the company's admission that it sees far fewer growth opportunities was enough to push the stock as much as 6% higher...

... before it resumed selling once again.
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   The good news is that Disney’s online video operation cut its loss to $512 million from more than $1 billion a year ago, an improvement to the company's recent guidance that the direct-to-consumer business would lose more than $750 million in the quarter.
   The bad news is that Disney+ streaming subs tumbled 7.4% to 146.1 million from the previous three months, missing the 154.8 million consensus analysts had expected. While nearly all of that shortfall was borne by the company’s Disney+ Hotstar in Asia where it lost almost 25% of its customers after Disney failed to renew streaming rights for popular cricket games in the Indian Premier League, domestic Disney+ subs also dropped: subs in the U.S. and Canada dropped to 46 million subscribers, from 46.3 million in the previous quarter; marked the second time ever that the company saw Disney+ lose North American subscribers.

The company’s parks business generated $8.33 billion in revenue, a 13% increase from a year earlier. The company said growth at its international parks offset lower results domestically.

Parks and streaming aside, Disney continues to be a melting ice cube and reported a 23% decline in profit, to $1.89 billion, in traditional TV, underscoring the troubles confronting that division; the number was $100 million less than what analysts had expected. The business, which includes channels such as ABC and ESPN, has been buffeted by falling cable subscribers, lower broadcast advertising sales and higher programming costs for sports.
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Wednesday’s price increases, which take effect in October, mean that the monthly cost of the ad-free stand-alone version of Disney+ has doubled to $13.99 from its 2019 introductory price of $6.99. The price of Disney’s ad-free Hulu service will rise to $17.99 from $14.99, making it more expensive than the most popular ad-free version of rival Netflix.








Link Posted: 8/9/2023 11:05:57 PM EDT
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Even if Disney was creating quality content, and they aren't. Therey won't have the content to fill the funnel so to speak. Fixing all that they are also starting to look over their shoulder that AI could bite into some of their pie. How much of an AI would it take to make a hallmark type movie? They follow a flowchart as is (I know Hallmark and Disney aren't the same thing).
Link Posted: 8/12/2023 8:48:59 PM EDT
[#35]
No, the title of the video isn't clickbait, for once. Things are starting to get clearer now.

Disney facing Existential Threat: Between The Lines of the Earnings Call


TL : DW ... In the 8-9 earnings call, disney said they had 10+bn cash on hand (this is up from the calculated 200million they had earlier this year). This will be due to the sales and firings (I believe the have fired 7,000+ this year?) and closings / cost cutting, plus the parks will have chipped in a bit more over last year or so since they were all allowed to open again post kung-flu virus. Basically, disney corp is looking to cut everything they can.

So they have 10+bn on hand cash. They also said (don't miss this) they have about 10bn in credit available to them. Yes ... credit.  They admitted what we knew - that the hulu put would cost 9.2-3bn (everyone expects that will be the minimum) I believe january of next year.

In personal terms, this is someone admitting they have sold everything they can, admitting their core assets aren't earning, and they've raised *just* enough to barely (but not really, if you consider living costs) cover a large scheduled bill.

The hulu put could leave them with a bill running up to 20 (or worse, 30) billion dollars. Effectively taking every bit of their cash, and every bit of credit they can muster right now.

At best, "only" flat cash broke. At worst, cash broke, credit bills out the nose, and still having to scramble to find a way to pay the bill.

----------------

About the disney selling to apple and apple bailing out disney rumors ... iger simply mentioned that it would be really hard to do. He effectively punted on that one.  IF ... and it's a HUGE if ... that were to happen, I can't see the regulators allowing apple to just gobble up the whole of disney, and it would take *years* to get done.



Disney needs to do really well before the hulu put. REALLY well. I don't think they have anything that can do that for them.  They may legitimately be in trouble.  I do not think that even AI generated writing and content could do well for them, even in a pie in the sky scenario, because the people prompting the AI will be the same people who have been choosing to direct the writers to write the recent content that has flopped, horribly.

If disney starts buying up foreign content en-masse, the sellers of that content are going to pick up on what's going on, and jack the prices ... and again, the people chosing what content to buy are going to be the ones that disney has right now.


Link Posted: 8/12/2023 8:55:03 PM EDT
[#36]
Also, don't forget, this will be them giving one of, if not their biggest rivals 9 to 30 billion dollars, for a company that comcast basically stopped running day to day, that disney already 2/3 owns ... which money can be used to fund ... oh ... I dunno ...

ZELDA LAND FOR UNIVERSAL ORLANDO, COME ONE, COME ALL, BRING THE FAMILY!

Oh, the irony.
Link Posted: 8/12/2023 9:38:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:

No, the title of the video isn't clickbait, for once. Things are starting to get clearer now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hHNz7gp5O8

TL : DW ... In the 8-9 earnings call, disney said they had 10+bn cash on hand (this is up from the calculated 200million they had earlier this year). This will be due to the sales and firings (I believe the have fired 7,000+ this year?) and closings / cost cutting, plus the parks will have chipped in a bit more over last year or so since they were all allowed to open again post kung-flu virus. Basically, disney corp is looking to cut everything they can.

So they have 10+bn on hand cash. They also said (don't miss this) they have about 10bn in credit available to them. Yes ... credit.  They admitted what we knew - that the hulu put would cost 9.2-3bn (everyone expects that will be the minimum) I believe january of next year.

In personal terms, this is someone admitting they have sold everything they can, admitting their core assets aren't earning, and they've raised *just* enough to barely (but not really, if you consider living costs) cover a large scheduled bill.

The hulu put could leave them with a bill running up to 20 (or worse, 30) billion dollars. Effectively taking every bit of their cash, and every bit of credit they can muster right now.

At best, "only" flat cash broke. At worst, cash broke, credit bills out the nose, and still having to scramble to find a way to pay the bill.

----------------

About the disney selling to apple and apple bailing out disney rumors ... iger simply mentioned that it would be really hard to do. He effectively punted on that one.  IF ... and it's a HUGE if ... that were to happen, I can't see the regulators allowing apple to just gobble up the whole of disney, and it would take *years* to get done.



Disney needs to do really well before the hulu put. REALLY well. I don't think they have anything that can do that for them.  They may legitimately be in trouble.  I do not think that even AI generated writing and content could do well for them, even in a pie in the sky scenario, because the people prompting the AI will be the same people who have been choosing to direct the writers to write the recent content that has flopped, horribly.

If disney starts buying up foreign content en-masse, the sellers of that content are going to pick up on what's going on, and jack the prices ... and again, the people chosing what content to buy are going to be the ones that disney has right now.


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Are we seriously in "Disney may cease to exist" territory?
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Are we seriously in "Disney may cease to exist" territory?
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Originally Posted By Cypher15:
Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:

No, the title of the video isn't clickbait, for once. Things are starting to get clearer now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hHNz7gp5O8

TL : DW ... In the 8-9 earnings call, disney said they had 10+bn cash on hand (this is up from the calculated 200million they had earlier this year). This will be due to the sales and firings (I believe the have fired 7,000+ this year?) and closings / cost cutting, plus the parks will have chipped in a bit more over last year or so since they were all allowed to open again post kung-flu virus. Basically, disney corp is looking to cut everything they can.

So they have 10+bn on hand cash. They also said (don't miss this) they have about 10bn in credit available to them. Yes ... credit.  They admitted what we knew - that the hulu put would cost 9.2-3bn (everyone expects that will be the minimum) I believe january of next year.

In personal terms, this is someone admitting they have sold everything they can, admitting their core assets aren't earning, and they've raised *just* enough to barely (but not really, if you consider living costs) cover a large scheduled bill.

The hulu put could leave them with a bill running up to 20 (or worse, 30) billion dollars. Effectively taking every bit of their cash, and every bit of credit they can muster right now.

At best, "only" flat cash broke. At worst, cash broke, credit bills out the nose, and still having to scramble to find a way to pay the bill.

----------------

About the disney selling to apple and apple bailing out disney rumors ... iger simply mentioned that it would be really hard to do. He effectively punted on that one.  IF ... and it's a HUGE if ... that were to happen, I can't see the regulators allowing apple to just gobble up the whole of disney, and it would take *years* to get done.



Disney needs to do really well before the hulu put. REALLY well. I don't think they have anything that can do that for them.  They may legitimately be in trouble.  I do not think that even AI generated writing and content could do well for them, even in a pie in the sky scenario, because the people prompting the AI will be the same people who have been choosing to direct the writers to write the recent content that has flopped, horribly.

If disney starts buying up foreign content en-masse, the sellers of that content are going to pick up on what's going on, and jack the prices ... and again, the people chosing what content to buy are going to be the ones that disney has right now.


Are we seriously in "Disney may cease to exist" territory?


Sorta looks like it.................they could save themselves if they gave up all the woke pedo crap and went back to what they originally were, but it would take awhile and they would suffer for a long time. But it might be too late.................they definitely departed from what Walt envisioned, but they are reaping what they sowed
Link Posted: 8/12/2023 10:18:38 PM EDT
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Are we seriously in "Disney may cease to exist" territory?
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Originally Posted By Cypher15:
Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:

No, the title of the video isn't clickbait, for once. Things are starting to get clearer now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hHNz7gp5O8

TL : DW ... In the 8-9 earnings call, disney said they had 10+bn cash on hand (this is up from the calculated 200million they had earlier this year). This will be due to the sales and firings (I believe the have fired 7,000+ this year?) and closings / cost cutting, plus the parks will have chipped in a bit more over last year or so since they were all allowed to open again post kung-flu virus. Basically, disney corp is looking to cut everything they can.

So they have 10+bn on hand cash. They also said (don't miss this) they have about 10bn in credit available to them. Yes ... credit.  They admitted what we knew - that the hulu put would cost 9.2-3bn (everyone expects that will be the minimum) I believe january of next year.

In personal terms, this is someone admitting they have sold everything they can, admitting their core assets aren't earning, and they've raised *just* enough to barely (but not really, if you consider living costs) cover a large scheduled bill.

The hulu put could leave them with a bill running up to 20 (or worse, 30) billion dollars. Effectively taking every bit of their cash, and every bit of credit they can muster right now.

At best, "only" flat cash broke. At worst, cash broke, credit bills out the nose, and still having to scramble to find a way to pay the bill.

----------------

About the disney selling to apple and apple bailing out disney rumors ... iger simply mentioned that it would be really hard to do. He effectively punted on that one.  IF ... and it's a HUGE if ... that were to happen, I can't see the regulators allowing apple to just gobble up the whole of disney, and it would take *years* to get done.



Disney needs to do really well before the hulu put. REALLY well. I don't think they have anything that can do that for them.  They may legitimately be in trouble.  I do not think that even AI generated writing and content could do well for them, even in a pie in the sky scenario, because the people prompting the AI will be the same people who have been choosing to direct the writers to write the recent content that has flopped, horribly.

If disney starts buying up foreign content en-masse, the sellers of that content are going to pick up on what's going on, and jack the prices ... and again, the people chosing what content to buy are going to be the ones that disney has right now.


Are we seriously in "Disney may cease to exist" territory?

I don't know, but it's some heavy stuff.


It really could go badly for them.
Link Posted: 8/12/2023 10:21:35 PM EDT
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TL : DW ... In the 8-9 earnings call, disney said they had 10+bn cash on hand (this is up from the calculated 200million they had earlier this year).
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2 bn or 10 bn cash on hand?


I grew up watching Disney on sunday night. Now fuck 'em. I would be sad at their demise except that now they are evil by any reasonable standard and I would rejoice at their demise.
Link Posted: 8/12/2023 10:21:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cyclone:


Sorta looks like it.................they could save themselves if they gave up all the woke pedo crap and went back to what they originally were, but it would take awhile and they would suffer for a long time. But it might be too late.................they definitely departed from what Walt envisioned, but they are reaping what they sowed
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Originally Posted By cyclone:
Originally Posted By Cypher15:
Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:

No, the title of the video isn't clickbait, for once. Things are starting to get clearer now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hHNz7gp5O8

TL : DW ... In the 8-9 earnings call, disney said they had 10+bn cash on hand (this is up from the calculated 200million they had earlier this year). This will be due to the sales and firings (I believe the have fired 7,000+ this year?) and closings / cost cutting, plus the parks will have chipped in a bit more over last year or so since they were all allowed to open again post kung-flu virus. Basically, disney corp is looking to cut everything they can.

So they have 10+bn on hand cash. They also said (don't miss this) they have about 10bn in credit available to them. Yes ... credit.  They admitted what we knew - that the hulu put would cost 9.2-3bn (everyone expects that will be the minimum) I believe january of next year.

In personal terms, this is someone admitting they have sold everything they can, admitting their core assets aren't earning, and they've raised *just* enough to barely (but not really, if you consider living costs) cover a large scheduled bill.

The hulu put could leave them with a bill running up to 20 (or worse, 30) billion dollars. Effectively taking every bit of their cash, and every bit of credit they can muster right now.

At best, "only" flat cash broke. At worst, cash broke, credit bills out the nose, and still having to scramble to find a way to pay the bill.

----------------

About the disney selling to apple and apple bailing out disney rumors ... iger simply mentioned that it would be really hard to do. He effectively punted on that one.  IF ... and it's a HUGE if ... that were to happen, I can't see the regulators allowing apple to just gobble up the whole of disney, and it would take *years* to get done.



Disney needs to do really well before the hulu put. REALLY well. I don't think they have anything that can do that for them.  They may legitimately be in trouble.  I do not think that even AI generated writing and content could do well for them, even in a pie in the sky scenario, because the people prompting the AI will be the same people who have been choosing to direct the writers to write the recent content that has flopped, horribly.

If disney starts buying up foreign content en-masse, the sellers of that content are going to pick up on what's going on, and jack the prices ... and again, the people chosing what content to buy are going to be the ones that disney has right now.


Are we seriously in "Disney may cease to exist" territory?


Sorta looks like it.................they could save themselves if they gave up all the woke pedo crap and went back to what they originally were, but it would take awhile and they would suffer for a long time. But it might be too late.................they definitely departed from what Walt envisioned, but they are reaping what they sowed

I am waiting for and hoping some big money people move in who are willing to offer disney the chance to come clean of the grooming and sexual anarchy stuff and go back to being pro family and go back to telling timeless tales that putatively aim kids at having good character.

They need to be shown that if they will culturally turn, and turn for REAL, they *might* have a chance.
Link Posted: 8/12/2023 10:23:14 PM EDT
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2 bn or 10 bn cash on hand?


I grew up watching Disney on sunday night. Now      'em. I would be sad at their demise except that now they are evil by any reasonable standard and I would rejoice at their demise.
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:
TL : DW ... In the 8-9 earnings call, disney said they had 10+bn cash on hand (this is up from the calculated 200million they had earlier this year).


2 bn or 10 bn cash on hand?


I grew up watching Disney on sunday night. Now      'em. I would be sad at their demise except that now they are evil by any reasonable standard and I would rejoice at their demise.

I don't want to see the legacy stuff that was worthwhile get lost.  However, if the cost of getting to keep that stuff around is literal grooming of kids and the other stuff disney has been doing ... they can and should go.
Link Posted: 8/12/2023 10:28:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:

I am waiting for and hoping some big money people move in who are willing to offer disney the chance to come clean of the grooming and sexual anarchy stuff and go back to being pro family and go back to telling timeless tales that putatively aim kids at having good character.

They need to be shown that if they will culturally turn, and turn for REAL, they *might* have a chance.
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:
Originally Posted By cyclone:
Originally Posted By Cypher15:
Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:

No, the title of the video isn't clickbait, for once. Things are starting to get clearer now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hHNz7gp5O8

TL : DW ... In the 8-9 earnings call, disney said they had 10+bn cash on hand (this is up from the calculated 200million they had earlier this year). This will be due to the sales and firings (I believe the have fired 7,000+ this year?) and closings / cost cutting, plus the parks will have chipped in a bit more over last year or so since they were all allowed to open again post kung-flu virus. Basically, disney corp is looking to cut everything they can.

So they have 10+bn on hand cash. They also said (don't miss this) they have about 10bn in credit available to them. Yes ... credit.  They admitted what we knew - that the hulu put would cost 9.2-3bn (everyone expects that will be the minimum) I believe january of next year.

In personal terms, this is someone admitting they have sold everything they can, admitting their core assets aren't earning, and they've raised *just* enough to barely (but not really, if you consider living costs) cover a large scheduled bill.

The hulu put could leave them with a bill running up to 20 (or worse, 30) billion dollars. Effectively taking every bit of their cash, and every bit of credit they can muster right now.

At best, "only" flat cash broke. At worst, cash broke, credit bills out the nose, and still having to scramble to find a way to pay the bill.

----------------

About the disney selling to apple and apple bailing out disney rumors ... iger simply mentioned that it would be really hard to do. He effectively punted on that one.  IF ... and it's a HUGE if ... that were to happen, I can't see the regulators allowing apple to just gobble up the whole of disney, and it would take *years* to get done.



Disney needs to do really well before the hulu put. REALLY well. I don't think they have anything that can do that for them.  They may legitimately be in trouble.  I do not think that even AI generated writing and content could do well for them, even in a pie in the sky scenario, because the people prompting the AI will be the same people who have been choosing to direct the writers to write the recent content that has flopped, horribly.

If disney starts buying up foreign content en-masse, the sellers of that content are going to pick up on what's going on, and jack the prices ... and again, the people chosing what content to buy are going to be the ones that disney has right now.


Are we seriously in "Disney may cease to exist" territory?


Sorta looks like it.................they could save themselves if they gave up all the woke pedo crap and went back to what they originally were, but it would take awhile and they would suffer for a long time. But it might be too late.................they definitely departed from what Walt envisioned, but they are reaping what they sowed

I am waiting for and hoping some big money people move in who are willing to offer disney the chance to come clean of the grooming and sexual anarchy stuff and go back to being pro family and go back to telling timeless tales that putatively aim kids at having good character.

They need to be shown that if they will culturally turn, and turn for REAL, they *might* have a chance.


I'd love to see them go back to what they once were..............whether or not they actually do remains to be seen. I'd not be surprised if they double down.........
Link Posted: 8/12/2023 10:39:36 PM EDT
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I'd love to see them go back to what they once were..............whether or not they actually do remains to be seen. I'd not be surprised if they double down.........
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:
Originally Posted By cyclone:
Originally Posted By Cypher15:
Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:

No, the title of the video isn't clickbait, for once. Things are starting to get clearer now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hHNz7gp5O8

TL : DW ... In the 8-9 earnings call, disney said they had 10+bn cash on hand (this is up from the calculated 200million they had earlier this year). This will be due to the sales and firings (I believe the have fired 7,000+ this year?) and closings / cost cutting, plus the parks will have chipped in a bit more over last year or so since they were all allowed to open again post kung-flu virus. Basically, disney corp is looking to cut everything they can.

So they have 10+bn on hand cash. They also said (don't miss this) they have about 10bn in credit available to them. Yes ... credit.  They admitted what we knew - that the hulu put would cost 9.2-3bn (everyone expects that will be the minimum) I believe january of next year.

In personal terms, this is someone admitting they have sold everything they can, admitting their core assets aren't earning, and they've raised *just* enough to barely (but not really, if you consider living costs) cover a large scheduled bill.

The hulu put could leave them with a bill running up to 20 (or worse, 30) billion dollars. Effectively taking every bit of their cash, and every bit of credit they can muster right now.

At best, "only" flat cash broke. At worst, cash broke, credit bills out the nose, and still having to scramble to find a way to pay the bill.

----------------

About the disney selling to apple and apple bailing out disney rumors ... iger simply mentioned that it would be really hard to do. He effectively punted on that one.  IF ... and it's a HUGE if ... that were to happen, I can't see the regulators allowing apple to just gobble up the whole of disney, and it would take *years* to get done.



Disney needs to do really well before the hulu put. REALLY well. I don't think they have anything that can do that for them.  They may legitimately be in trouble.  I do not think that even AI generated writing and content could do well for them, even in a pie in the sky scenario, because the people prompting the AI will be the same people who have been choosing to direct the writers to write the recent content that has flopped, horribly.

If disney starts buying up foreign content en-masse, the sellers of that content are going to pick up on what's going on, and jack the prices ... and again, the people chosing what content to buy are going to be the ones that disney has right now.


Are we seriously in "Disney may cease to exist" territory?


Sorta looks like it.................they could save themselves if they gave up all the woke pedo crap and went back to what they originally were, but it would take awhile and they would suffer for a long time. But it might be too late.................they definitely departed from what Walt envisioned, but they are reaping what they sowed

I am waiting for and hoping some big money people move in who are willing to offer disney the chance to come clean of the grooming and sexual anarchy stuff and go back to being pro family and go back to telling timeless tales that putatively aim kids at having good character.

They need to be shown that if they will culturally turn, and turn for REAL, they *might* have a chance.


I'd love to see them go back to what they once were..............whether or not they actually do remains to be seen. I'd not be surprised if they double down.........

Even if they had a real come to Jesus moment and wanted to change ...

Who could they get for creative talent? Disney has been rotted in the head on this stuff since the 1990s. They certainly can't pull from hollywood. Where in the entire cultural west could they pull from? As for the parks, they're literally destroying the most popular ride at them (spash mountain).

They would have to cull their castmembers pretty hardcore, because they changed the "look and act" manuals and let in what would never have flow in the past and while we only see the singular videos of things like the guy in the girl's dress, his being there doing that means that the other castmembers and more importantly, the leaders and managers have to be the types to accept that, and allow it to be the face of the company.

They have made a horrible situation for themselves.

ETA: Like your avatar, btw.  That was such a good kids flick and it being centered around the joy and wonder of reading just wouldn't click nowadays. That's an almost lost world.  (The nothing really is eating up our creatives)
Link Posted: 8/12/2023 10:42:17 PM EDT
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I know tons of parents that gleefully take their kids to their parks to be groomed

I hope Disney goes under
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Link Posted: 8/12/2023 10:48:33 PM EDT
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Rather fitting for the thread:

Neverending Story Gmork Scene Extended
Link Posted: 8/12/2023 10:49:50 PM EDT
[#47]
I appreciate the day by day chart of Disney failure.
Link Posted: 8/12/2023 10:50:07 PM EDT
[#48]
Can't wait to sing cumbiya while Disney burns down.
Link Posted: 8/12/2023 10:57:08 PM EDT
[#49]
Kathleen Kennedy killed Mickey Mouse.
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