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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:01:33 PM EDT
I just saw "Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare" and was actually repulsed by how ridiculously evil the nazis were in that movie. Now compare it to an older favorite WW2 movie of mine, "Where Eagles Dare" and while the nazis are still villains they still seemed like actual human characters. Hollywood can't even make a movie like this anymore, it's strange how people who lived through WW2 didn't hate germans as much as today's generation.
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:02:29 PM EDT
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Now do communists.
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:04:18 PM EDT
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It's not just nazis, a lot of character writing is just god awful. The bad guys are cartoonishly bad and the good guys are often infallible, or at worst have one token character flaw that's only used as a gimmicky plot point, which is then resolved, making them infallible.
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:05:02 PM EDT
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The nazis were kinda bad op. I don't think really dark movies were popular back then. Would those people have understood No Country for Old Men or Fight Club? Those kinds of movies weren't popular until later.
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:05:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: kc-coyote]
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:09:03 PM EDT
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Das Boot couldn't be made today.
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TN, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:10:30 PM EDT
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Communists are way worse than Nazis. Something like a 100 million plus people have died at the hands of communism in the twentieth century alone. The fact we helped the soviets in WWII disgusts me. We should’ve took General Patton’s advice at the end of the war and snuffed that menace out entirely, but we didn’t, and Patton died a suspicious death and the cancer that is communism was left to metastasize into what we have today.
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:13:11 PM EDT
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I’m shocked to learn that people running hollywood would make every single ww2 era German soldier character to be worse than Hitler himself.
Shocked I tell you. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:14:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingdead: The nazis were kinda bad op. I don't think really dark movies were popular back then. Would those people have understood No Country for Old Men or Fight Club? Those kinds of movies weren't popular until later.  Hermann Göring (Brian Cox) - You Are A Jew (Scene From "Nuremberg") |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:15:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tsg68]
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Heydrich was an asshole.
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:16:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bohr_Adam]
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Originally Posted By jackthom8: I just saw "Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare" and was actually repulsed by how ridiculously evil the nazis were in that movie. Now compare it to an older favorite WW2 movie of mine, "Where Eagles Dare" and while the nazis are still villains they still seemed like actual human characters. Hollywood can't even make a movie like this anymore, it's strange how people who lived through WW2 didn't hate germans as much as today's generation.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ETf8GmXyu4Does "Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare" assume any American or Brit can pass as a German if he just has the right uniform, since everyone just speaks English anyway? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:17:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tsg68]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Does "Ministry if Ungentlemanly Warfare" assume any American or Brit can pass as a German if he just has the right uniform, since everyone just speaks English anyway? It assumes suppressed smg’s were prolific during WWII as well. And every operative was a body builder. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:18:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: It's not just nazis, a lot of character writing is just god awful. The bad guys are cartoonishly bad and the good guys are often infallible, or at worst have one token character flaw that's only used as a gimmicky plot point, which is then resolved, making them infallible. Yeah, most movies just kind of suck now. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:25:37 PM EDT
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I think older movies suggested how evil nazis were, newer movies show how evil they really were.
Maybe "too soonisim" had something to do with it. I haven't seen the movie you're referring too, can't comment on that. I don't think every German soldier was evil. Most were fighting for their country. They did have some very sadistic leaders whose evil should never be forgotten. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:26:05 PM EDT
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Leftists exult in violence. Nazis on film are just stand-ins for us, your Average Joe. (Look at what they already do in our streets)
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:27:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Does "Ministry if Ungentlemanly Warfare" assume any American or Brit can pass as a German if he just has the right uniform, since everyone just speaks English anyway? The plan went awry when the heroine used a Yiddish word instead of a German word. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:28:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bellows1: I think older movies suggested how evil nazis were, newer movies show how evil they really were. Maybe "too soonisim" had something to do with it. I haven't seen the movie you're referring too, can't comment on that. I don't think every German soldier was evil. Most were fighting for their country. They did have some very sadistic leaders whose evil should never be forgotten. Is this not correct for every country in every war ever fought? Nobody came out of WWII with clean hands, including us. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:32:04 PM EDT
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I also find it strange how it's become more polarized than it was 50yrs ago.
My grandfather fought in the Battle of the Bulge and he always spoke with utmost respect for the german soldiers he fought against. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:34:10 PM EDT
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The Japanese killed more and were more brutal than the Nazis. For some reason very few movies have been made about their activities. They instead get portrayed as noble samurais. I think part of this is because the Nazis made for more engaging villains in movies and games.
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USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:35:38 PM EDT
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I wonder why the people who make all of these Nazi movies (well basically ALL major movies), never seem to make movies attacking the Bolsheviks of 1917?
Baffling, right? 🤔 |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:37:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tallahasseezz: The Japanese killed more and were more brutal than the Nazis. For some reason very few movies have been made about their activities. They instead get portrayed as noble samurais. I think part of this is because the Nazis made for more engaging villains in movies and games. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:39:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tallahasseezz: The Japanese killed more and were more brutal than the Nazis. For some reason very few movies have been made about their activities. They instead get portrayed as noble samurais. I think part of this is because the Nazis made for more engaging villains in movies and games. The Japanese were exceptionally bad. My Grandfather fought in the pacific, and HATED the Japanese until the day he died. That seems to be a common attribute for those who fought in the pacific. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:40:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: It's not just nazis, a lot of character writing is just god awful. The bad guys are cartoonishly bad and the good guys are often infallible, or at worst have one token character flaw that's only used as a gimmicky plot point, which is then resolved, making them infallible. Scroll through youtube or Tubi offerings,.......tons of bad modern reenactor grade movies, where these 7 individuals (five angry white dudes which pschological and anger issues, a black guy (who would not be in a non colored unit at that time) and a potentially gay guy) take on the Nazis who are at regimental strength. Add in a scientist, key spy or beautiful woman that needs their help. Bonus points for vampires or undead nazis in the plot. I guess if your production budget is $2587 then that’s what you get plus a unit that appears to be armed with one new milsurp collector’s budding collection so your “squad” is armed with 1 k98 but not guaranteed to be german, 1 Enfield, 1 Mosin, 1 Garand and a sporterized Springfield 1903. Add in a pistol that is not period correct and possibly a SKS to boot. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:40:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bohr_Adam]
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It's really hard to take these threads seriously after the past two years of Kremlin apologetics and derptastic threads with exaggerated handwringing about any perceived Nazi connection to any Ukrainian who dared resist the Communists in the 1930s and 1940s. Yet, here we are, again suggesting it's just those "others" or those "Hollywood Leftists" who create these crazy caricatures.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:40:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Consigli]
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Everyone loved Hogan's Heroes back in the day. Hard to understand why nazi's became vilified.
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FM, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:41:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naffenea: The plan went awry when the heroine used a Yiddish word instead of a German word. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naffenea: Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Does "Ministry if Ungentlemanly Warfare" assume any American or Brit can pass as a German if he just has the right uniform, since everyone just speaks English anyway? The plan went awry when the heroine used a Yiddish word instead of a German word. So, essentially the same plot device as Inglorious Bastards |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:43:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tallahasseezz: The Japanese killed more and were more brutal than the Nazis. For some reason very few movies have been made about their activities. They instead get portrayed as noble samurais. I think part of this is because the Nazis made for more engaging villains in movies and games. Nuke guilt. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:44:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tallahasseezz: The Japanese killed more and were more brutal than the Nazis. For some reason very few movies have been made about their activities. They instead get portrayed as noble samurais. I think part of this is because the Nazis made for more engaging villains in movies and games. It seems like only the Aussies tried to get the real evil of the Japanese military on record. They were often the ones murdered during the war. They didn’t let it get washed under the rug as everyone else was going for a few quick token trials and executions. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:45:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jambalaya: Das Boot couldn't be made today. There was a TV series recently made.a couple years ago. It didn't take long for woke content to come out in it. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:45:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bellows1: I think older movies suggested how evil nazis were, newer movies show how evil they really were. Maybe "too soonisim" had something to do with it. I haven't seen the movie you're referring too, can't comment on that. I don't think every German soldier was evil. Most were fighting for their country. They did have some very sadistic leaders whose evil should never be forgotten. I think this is the reality modern stuff sort of suppresses. They want all of them to be seen as the absolute worst of the worst through guilt by association. It's a mentality that condemns an entire populace for the acts of their government, which ironically is pretty similar to the "logic" the nazis used to justify their deeds. There were a lot of bad ones, and they committed unspeakable acts of evil. Only a fool argues otherwise. But most were simply complicit, as opposed to active participants. They willfully turned a blind eye to the evil occurring around them or served in some ancillary function supporting, but not directly involved in the atrocities they were facilitating. It's a recurring theme in both fascist and communist regimes. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:45:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Anonymoose1: Communists are way worse than Nazis. Something like a 100 million plus people have died at the hands of communism in the twentieth century alone. The fact we helped the soviets in WWII disgusts me. We should’ve took General Patton’s advice at the end of the war and snuffed that menace out entirely, but we didn’t, and Patton died a suspicious death and the cancer that is communism was left to metastasize into what we have today. Totalitarians suck, period. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:52:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tsg68: Totalitarians suck, period. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:53:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlashMan-7k]
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Originally Posted By jackthom8: I just saw "Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare" and was actually repulsed by how ridiculously evil the nazis were in that movie. Now compare it to an older favorite WW2 movie of mine, "Where Eagles Dare" and while the nazis are still villains they still seemed like actual human characters. Hollywood can't even make a movie like this anymore, it's strange how people who lived through WW2 didn't hate germans as much as today's generation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ETf8GmXyu4Something like that is done with an entire culture and region in the U.S. When reality is uncomfortable we actively shirk and avoid it. One of the most important lessons of WW2 is that the nazis were not demons or freaks. They were normal people who came to believe and do the things they did by a series of plausible everyday decisions. But we are safe from thinking that if we lie to ourselves that "those people" were inhuman monsters, nothing like us. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:55:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Consigli: Everyone loved Hogan's Heroes back in the day. Hard to understand why nazi's became vilified. https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjE4Mzg3OTgxNl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMTM0MDgxOA@@._V1_.jpg |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:55:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARDunstan: Now do communists. If you ask the left, the Soviet Union era was when the Russkies were the good guys. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:55:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By flyhack72: So, essentially the same plot device as Inglorious Bastards Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By flyhack72: Originally Posted By Naffenea: Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Does "Ministry if Ungentlemanly Warfare" assume any American or Brit can pass as a German if he just has the right uniform, since everyone just speaks English anyway? The plan went awry when the heroine used a Yiddish word instead of a German word. So, essentially the same plot device as Inglorious Bastards Uhhh... pretty sure that's what he was referencing. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:58:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crownvic96: Most of the cast was Jewish, including John Banner, who lost family/friends in the holocaust. They were lampooning them. That's funny, because the people writing, producing and promoting such series and movies then and now are the same. But they never lampoon Bolsheviks. I can't figure out why. Huh.... |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:58:26 PM EDT
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This might be more of what you’re looking for
 The Zone of Interest | Official Trailer HD | A24 |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:58:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bloviator: I also find it strange how it's become more polarized than it was 50yrs ago. My grandfather fought in the Battle of the Bulge and he always spoke with utmost respect for the german soldiers he fought against. My grandfather was island hopping in the Pacific. All the major campaigns. He and his buddies hated the Japanese till the day he died. I dont believe you understand the level im talking about. If he had been in charge there would be no Japan now at all. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:58:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tallahasseezz: The Japanese killed more and were more brutal than the Nazis. For some reason very few movies have been made about their activities. They instead get portrayed as noble samurais. I think part of this is because the Nazis made for more engaging villains in movies and games. The MSM-DNC hate machine was put into overdrive after Pearl Harbor and ran a hate campaign against the Japanese as a people that was so wildly successful the generals had to bribe their men to bring in live prisoners, not to mention the widespread taking body parts (ears, skulls) as trophies, and firebombing cities for shits and giggles. The liberals are secretly ashamed of their overt appeal to racism and are now pretending none of it happened or if it did it was forced on them to appease the GOP. Ironically, while trying to start a new campaign against whypepo. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:02:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hobs98: My grandfather was island hopping in the Pacific. All the major campaigns. He and his buddies hated the Japanese till the day he died. I dont believe you understand the level im talking about. If he had been in charge there would be no Japan now at all. Yes sir. See my most above. People who have never been around someone that fought in pacific do not understand the level of hatred they harbored for the Japanese indefinitely. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:03:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Pawcatch]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: It's not just nazis, a lot of character writing is just god awful. The bad guys are cartoonishly bad and the good guys are often infallible, or at worst have one token character flaw that's only used as a gimmicky plot point, which is then resolved, making them infallible. I agree with this. Case in point, look at almost every villain in a Liam Neesom movie in the last 15 years. Tom Bateman in Cold Pursuit was so over the top bad that he even threatened to kill people using HFCS. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:06:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Consigli: ...Hard to understand why nazi's became vilified. I mean, it's easy to see why they were hated. As to why they've been made even more evil than they were - it seems like our progressives and leftists, who in the 60s and later went full on relativistic morals ... chose to define the nazis as the ultimate evil. So they treat them that way. This lets them ignore the reality of evil in our world and about every individual, which would include them too. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:08:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Something like that is done with an entire culture and region in the U.S. When reality is uncomfortable we actively shirk and avoid it. One of the most important lessons of WW2 is that the nazis were not demons or freaks. They were normal people who came to believe and do the things they did by a series of plausible everyday decisions. But we are safe from thinking that if we lie to ourselves that "those people" were inhuman monsters, nothing like us. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By jackthom8: I just saw "Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare" and was actually repulsed by how ridiculously evil the nazis were in that movie. Now compare it to an older favorite WW2 movie of mine, "Where Eagles Dare" and while the nazis are still villains they still seemed like actual human characters. Hollywood can't even make a movie like this anymore, it's strange how people who lived through WW2 didn't hate germans as much as today's generation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ETf8GmXyu4Something like that is done with an entire culture and region in the U.S. When reality is uncomfortable we actively shirk and avoid it. One of the most important lessons of WW2 is that the nazis were not demons or freaks. They were normal people who came to believe and do the things they did by a series of plausible everyday decisions. But we are safe from thinking that if we lie to ourselves that "those people" were inhuman monsters, nothing like us. VERY human monsters. ETA: Nazis were absolutely evil. They’d have eliminated multiple groups of humans if they had won WWII. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:08:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ExFed1811: If you ask the left, the Soviet Union era was when the Russkies were the good guys. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ExFed1811: Originally Posted By ARDunstan: Now do communists. If you ask the left, the Soviet Union era was when the Russkies were the good guys. And yet if you read the gulag archipelago, there's mentions of people who were prisons in the nazi camps and than in the gulags and apparently the gulags were said to be just as bad if not worse by those people. But the left IS the man, so they'll never say anything truly bad about anyone on the left. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:12:32 PM EDT
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Just as long as the nazis and commies die a long painful drawn out screaming death.
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:12:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rheinmetall792: I wonder why the people who make all of these Nazi movies (well basically ALL major movies), never seem to make movies attacking the Bolsheviks of 1917? Baffling, right? 🤔 The big screen classic "Dr. Zhivago" certainly didn't portray the Bolshevists of the Russian Revolution well. Bigger_Hammer 
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:14:00 PM EDT
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Mandela is a hero and freedom fighter instead of a communist terrorist and murderer . Good Hollywood public relations go a long way.
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:14:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PeepEater]
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The Nazis have to be the worst people ever or some people might start asking questions about if we were the baddies since we backed the regime that raped their way across Eastern Europe and held it under an iron fist for half a century murdering millions with no consequences.
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:14:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rheinmetall792: I wonder why the people who make all of these Nazi movies (well basically ALL major movies), never seem to make movies attacking the Bolsheviks of 1917? Baffling, right? 🤔 Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, sir. Please stop noticing things. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:16:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: McGuy]
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 Mitchel & Webb Look | Are we the baddies | Nazi Sketch |
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