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I haven't played since April 30. Destiny at its core is the same fucking thing over and over, and for the longest I was okay with that because everything else around the same old shit was pretty good. The crucible was fun, the weapons were cool, exotics were unique, the art and music is always bangin', etc.

I think I finally got tired of doing the same thing over and over though. I also think that Bungie doesn't really know what they want this game to be or what it really is. I think the ten year plan for Destiny was a little optimistic, to me it feels like the game ran out of gas at the 7-8 year mark which is understandable I think. Coming up with new stuff isn't easy.

I don't really know what to think or say about the layoffs at Bungie. If what they're saying is true, about the layoffs being due to underwhelming preorders of the Final Shape and low player population, um, man, I dunno.

I'm the world's biggest proponent about not preordering shit, that we as a community need to stop encouraging these half baked releases so many developers and publishers are all about these days. That said, and I don't know who all got laid off at Bungie, but I can't believe that the dudes that got the axe for the most part were directly responsible for the current state of the game and the lack of interest in the Final Shape. Reading on Twitter it seems like a lot of lower level guys, like art direction people, animation, music and QA staff were laid off.

Like most of these corporate af things, shot callers well above the grunts were the ones that made the decisions that led them to this point, and I'd bet dollars to donuts most of those managers and directors are probably gonna survive this. The way Bungie did this is kinda cringy too, they laid most of those guys off on 30 Oct., which means they get like one day of health insurance coverage before going on Cobra on 1 Nov., they also relinquished Sony stock options they had by being terminated.

Not sure how I feel about the whole situation tbh. I'll just say that I think I've got everything I really wanted out of Destiny at this point. I wasn't super interested in the Final Shape before all of this but I was gonna play it since I'm vested in the series and wanted to see the conclusion. Now, my limited interest is gone. I'm good.

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Well that's just some phoned in, feel good bullshit.

Why did it take an event like this to get Bungie to say that "yeah, maybe we haven't done the best job, sorry guys, you caught us, our bad, we'll do better we promise because Taken King and Forsaken!"  Get the fuck outta here with that.

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QA is usually the newest and least experienced people, it's playtest, find a bug, try to recreate the bug, forward bug onto relevant team for a fix.  Downside is since QA is entry tier, their comments get ignored a lot.  That's one of the industry rumors about Bungie, because apparently higher ups couldn't take criticism about code or issues.

I'd love to ask my buddy that worked at Bungie, but I lost contact with him around Forsaken.

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I was going to say the last place Bungie should be laying off is QA staff, but based on the glitchy shit they've signed off on, perhaps they should have been canned long ago and replaced by people who actually did QA.

Seems the Art and Music people are collateral damage in all this.  Destiny has had some really good art and music.

Another guy they should fire is the asshole that came up with the "invisible enemies" idea.  That just screams "bug" that they made "a feature."

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https://www.ign.com/articles/bungie-devs-say-atmosphere-is-soul-crushing-amid-layoffs-cuts-and-fear-of-total-sony-takeover

At this point, Sony probably should take over Bungie and Destiny 2.  The whole Bungie-as-an-independent-developer/publisher thing isn't working, they've laid off staff, preorders for the Final Shape haven't worked out as well as they've hoped, player numbers are at an all-time low.

Bungie did their best work under Activision, when they had a big brother publisher to answer to and hold them accountable.  Bungie as an independent publisher/developer today without that accountability, those dudes are worrying about people's pronouns and holding cooking and crochet classes in the office while their game is dying.

Fuck it.  It would probably be the best for the future of the game, however much of that there is or will be, for Sony to take over and tell these motherfuckers what to do.

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All of the content creators and streamer type dudes are gonna pre-order and play the Final Shape because it's their job.  They got bills to pay.  I predict sales of the Final Shape are just going to be okay, it's not going to be a blockbuster like TTK or Forsaken despite what they may think or say.  This is a rabid ass community they have to answer to that I think has finally reached the point that they're tired of being jerked around by Bungie's shenanigans, which I bet is going to be further exacerbated by the lay offs from October.  

The core player group, guys like the dudes in this thread who have thousands of hours in the game, the kind of guys that don't play this game for a living but will put together a day one raid team, that's the player base that ain't gonna be pre-ordering TFS, they may not even buy it at all.  That's what Bungie should really be worried about, not diversity and inclusivity and he/him or it/they.

I wish I could go knock on the door at Bungie and be like: "You dudes are supposed to make video games.  Make the video game.  Stop trying to drive your agendas, and just make the video game."

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Full on agree. I can get like 8 different "It's Ok To Be Gay" or transgender or whatever emblems right now...but the last time any new content, or actual good storyline, pretty much ended with Witch Queen and maybe even before that if I'm honest. They certainly didn't put much effort into the raids since then.

No one's going to pre-order Final Shape considering the shitfest that the last few expansions were. Beyond Light was pretty iffy, Witch Queen made a decent effort but kind of fell flat quick, and Lightfall was just...not good.

I take that back - not no one - but that tiny segment of the population, of which an even smaller segment plays video games, and an even smaller subset of that...that tiny segment that has a severely untreated mental illness, that demands you call them "xer" or "xim", or "they" or "them" or some other bizarre pronoun - that segment will spend the pre-order money, from all accounts of what I can see and read.