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Posted: 5/9/2019 9:40:23 PM EDT
Curious, what are your experiences, observations and AARs regarding such ordnance?
25mm Bushmaster DU Rounds 
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Posted: 5/9/2019 9:41:27 PM EDT
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Somebody said “uranium”?
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Posted: 5/9/2019 9:43:07 PM EDT
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Somebody said “uranium”?
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Posted: 5/9/2019 9:44:34 PM EDT
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Somebody said "uranium"? |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 9:44:49 PM EDT
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 Uranium Fever: Elton Britt, 1955 |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 9:45:46 PM EDT
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LOL, no.
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Posted: 5/9/2019 9:48:50 PM EDT
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Copkilla bullits right there. Ban.
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Posted: 5/9/2019 9:48:54 PM EDT
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Don't eat it, or play in/around targets hit by it. You'll be fine.
Kharn |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 10:05:33 PM EDT
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Keep it dry and keep the tip cover on. It will spark like mad if the tip bangs against shit. If it gets wet, sea salt mist has to be the worst, it will grow some fuzzy yellow to green crap that causes the penatrator to swell enough that it will break the cap and the sabbot in the cartridge case.
Solid rounds are almost benign. It's the oxide and fines after a fire that can be inhaled and get lodged in your lungs, leading to cancer down the road.....way down the road and it takes a significant amount to cause serious problems. You'll shit and piss most of it out when you ingest it. But with enough exposure your kidneys and colon will likely develop cancer. I'd worry about breathing all the other shit released by the fire after the target is hit. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 10:16:29 PM EDT
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I got to see the after effects on some tanks in 2003. IIRC (it's been awhile now) Little hole in one side, little hole in the other, everything fried inside.
Heat was a little different, little hole in one side, sometimes a hole on the other, but a lot of the times shit was just mangled. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 10:19:29 PM EDT
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Copkilla bullits right there. Ban.  I can already picture someone phoning this into the shop:
Me:"The *******, can I help you?" Ghetto dude: "Uhhhhhhhhh..................Y'all got dem D'pleted Uranium fawty bulletz?" Me:"Excuse me, come again?" Ghetto Dude:"Uhhh....U know...dem D'pleted Uranium fawty bulletz. The one's dat be penetratin' tanks n' shit." ME:Nooo...Sorry, we don't have... 'dem D'pleted Uranium .40s, that be penetrating tanks and shit." Ghetto dude:" Uhhhhh...aight then." *click* 
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Posted: 5/9/2019 10:23:14 PM EDT
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The cause of Gulf War Syndrome?
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Posted: 5/9/2019 10:23:25 PM EDT
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High dollar shit on the black market. Usually smuggled into Mexico after being stolen off US military ranges.
Or it used to be. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 10:26:41 PM EDT
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Never got to shoot that good stuff from the Bradley. I understood that the gun fans in the turret were partially there to exhaust the dust/vapor from those rounds.
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Posted: 5/9/2019 10:29:20 PM EDT
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Only had them in country. Thankfully I was a scout so I didn't touch them that much.
Should I be filling out a form at the evil VA in case my kids are born with extra digits? |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 10:32:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/9/2019 10:37:54 PM EDT
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Nuclear hysteria is best hysteria.
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Posted: 5/9/2019 10:40:29 PM EDT
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Why is it always depleted? Can't we afford to give our servicemen the best ammunition? Can't they use full strength uranium in the guns? This is America!
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Posted: 5/9/2019 10:42:21 PM EDT
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There's plenty of normal shit much more radioactive than natural uranium out of the ground. Depleted uranium is less radioactive (slightly) than natural uranium. If these things are 'dangerous', it's because heavy metal is generally toxic, not from the radioactivity.
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Posted: 5/9/2019 10:48:59 PM EDT
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There's plenty of normal shit much more radioactive than natural uranium out of the ground. Depleted uranium is less radioactive (slightly) than natural uranium. If these things are 'dangerous', it's because heavy metal is generally toxic, not from the radioactivity. Good going, idiots. 
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Posted: 5/9/2019 10:52:56 PM EDT
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There's plenty of normal shit much more radioactive than natural uranium out of the ground. Depleted uranium is less radioactive (slightly) than natural uranium. If these things are 'dangerous', it's because heavy metal is generally toxic, not from the radioactivity. Also the density of the metal is the sweetness. The radioactivity isn’t desirable, it’s a side effect. They will light up a Geiger counter but it’s barely over background radiation. Wiki article. First 2-3 paragraphs is all you need to know. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 10:53:34 PM EDT
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There's plenty of normal shit much more radioactive than natural uranium out of the ground. Depleted uranium is less radioactive (slightly) than natural uranium. If these things are 'dangerous', it's because heavy metal is generally toxic, not from the radioactivity. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 10:55:19 PM EDT
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Somebody said “uranium”? 
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Posted: 5/9/2019 10:55:47 PM EDT
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Keep it dry and keep the tip cover on. It will spark like mad if the tip bangs against shit. If it gets wet, sea salt mist has to be the worst, it will grow some fuzzy yellow to green crap that causes the penatrator to swell enough that it will break the cap and the sabbot in the cartridge case. Solid rounds are almost benign. It's the oxide and fines after a fire that can be inhaled and get lodged in your lungs, leading to cancer down the road.....way down the road and it takes a significant amount to cause serious problems. You'll shit and piss most of it out when you ingest it. But with enough exposure your kidneys and colon will likely develop cancer. I'd worry about breathing all the other shit released by the fire after the target is hit. As every belt in the pics I posted, has tops missing from the sabots on some of the rounds. I can't find it for the life of me, but I was reading some TM or FM in regards to the plastic tips falling off/falling off while feeding in the cannon, jamming the gun and not attempting to feed rounds missing the plastic cap into the 25mm Bushmaster cannon.  As a ex-range master exposed to years of lead particulates(they've already done plenty damage), I can't even begin to imagine the health consequences of being in constant exposure to DU particulates.
I got into a discussion with an engineer/physics guru friend of mine and he stated that when you ingest DU particulates, they will be constantly emitting/bouncing alpha and beta radiation around inside of you, wreaking havoc on your DNA, for as long as the DU is in your system. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:06:37 PM EDT
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Where would one acquire one or 2 of there rounds?
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:16:59 PM EDT
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Somebody said “uranium”? |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:25:33 PM EDT
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Which means the Euroweenie's less effective "green" tungsten carbide rounds are just as dangerously toxic while being less effective. Good going, idiots. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's plenty of normal shit much more radioactive than natural uranium out of the ground. Depleted uranium is less radioactive (slightly) than natural uranium. If these things are 'dangerous', it's because heavy metal is generally toxic, not from the radioactivity. Good going, idiots. But yes, the chemical toxicity of U (and all heavy metals) is enormous, and tungsten is as bad as any other heavy metal in that regard. Very toxic and carcinogenic. They cause severe oxidative stress and disrupt many cellular functions. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5606641/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22198552 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6315525/ |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:30:31 PM EDT
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Between the dust, burn pits, shit ponds, diesel fuel, local food, chow hall food, diseases, combat trauma, experimental medicine, electronic countermeasures, purified water, high frequency noise and trash everywhere I’m fairly sure the depleted uranium is like the last thing a soldier should worry about.
Being deployed is like living inside a microwave covered in dirt and shit while eating chemicals all day. Then some asshole comes to the trash dump and starts shooting at your microwave. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:32:00 PM EDT
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Between the dust, burn pits, shit ponds, diesel fuel, local food, chow hall food, diseases, combat trauma, experimental medicine, electronic countermeasures, purified water, high frequency noise and trash everywhere I’m fairly sure the depleted uranium is like the last thing a soldier should worry about. Being deployed is like living inside a microwave covered in dirt and shit while eating chemicals all day. Then some asshole comes to the trash dump and starts shooting st your microwave. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:34:33 PM EDT
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That's concerning. As every belt in the pics I posted, has tops missing from the sabots on some of the rounds. I can't find it for the life of me, but I was reading some TM or FM in regards to the plastic tips falling off/falling off while feeding in the cannon, jamming the gun and not attempting to feed rounds missing the plastic cap into the 25mm Bushmaster cannon. As a ex-range master exposed to years of lead particulates(they've already done plenty damage), I can't even begin to imagine the health consequences of being in constant exposure to DU particulates.
I got into a discussion with an engineer/physics guru friend of mine and he stated that when you ingest DU particulates, they will be constantly emitting/bouncing alpha and beta radiation around inside of you, wreaking havoc on your DNA, for as long as the DU is in your system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Keep it dry and keep the tip cover on. It will spark like mad if the tip bangs against shit. If it gets wet, sea salt mist has to be the worst, it will grow some fuzzy yellow to green crap that causes the penatrator to swell enough that it will break the cap and the sabbot in the cartridge case. Solid rounds are almost benign. It's the oxide and fines after a fire that can be inhaled and get lodged in your lungs, leading to cancer down the road.....way down the road and it takes a significant amount to cause serious problems. You'll shit and piss most of it out when you ingest it. But with enough exposure your kidneys and colon will likely develop cancer. I'd worry about breathing all the other shit released by the fire after the target is hit. As every belt in the pics I posted, has tops missing from the sabots on some of the rounds. I can't find it for the life of me, but I was reading some TM or FM in regards to the plastic tips falling off/falling off while feeding in the cannon, jamming the gun and not attempting to feed rounds missing the plastic cap into the 25mm Bushmaster cannon. As a ex-range master exposed to years of lead particulates(they've already done plenty damage), I can't even begin to imagine the health consequences of being in constant exposure to DU particulates.
I got into a discussion with an engineer/physics guru friend of mine and he stated that when you ingest DU particulates, they will be constantly emitting/bouncing alpha and beta radiation around inside of you, wreaking havoc on your DNA, for as long as the DU is in your system. HEU is a different story, it puts out quite a bit of alpha, but still it has a half life of 700 million years so its not super energetic compared to something like Polonium 210 which is a real ball kicker at 138 day half life. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:36:10 PM EDT
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iirc, people exposed to DU dust left after the rounds had hit armor developed lots of issues years later. I remember seeing pics of Desert Storm where destroyed vehicles had "NO RAD" spray painted on them if they were clear of DU
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:39:02 PM EDT
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I have a piece of uranium ore in my radioactive collection
It isnt that radioactive not-depleted |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:42:25 PM EDT
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There's plenty of normal shit much more radioactive than natural uranium out of the ground. Depleted uranium is less radioactive (slightly) than natural uranium. If these things are 'dangerous', it's because heavy metal is generally toxic, not from the radioactivity. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:42:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: High dollar shit on the black market. Usually smuggled into Mexico after being stolen off US military ranges. Or it used to be. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:42:37 PM EDT
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I have a piece of uranium ore in my radioactive collection It isnt that radioactive not-depleted |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:44:19 PM EDT
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The issue is when DU is in a fire the particulate goes airborne. It's an alpha emitter and causes damage from the alpha radiation when inside the lungs. Alpha is stopped by clothes and skin but when breathed in it directly affects the exposed tissue. The heavy metal particulate is another concern, which can cause blood poisoning. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's plenty of normal shit much more radioactive than natural uranium out of the ground. Depleted uranium is less radioactive (slightly) than natural uranium. If these things are 'dangerous', it's because heavy metal is generally toxic, not from the radioactivity. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:46:39 PM EDT
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When you start busting it at the atomic level it gets pretty pissed off tho. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a piece of uranium ore in my radioactive collection It isnt that radioactive not-depleted |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:47:04 PM EDT
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Your friend is wrong. DU emits some alpha but the amount is small enough that it is negligible. The chemical toxicity is far worse than the damage from the alpha. HEU is a different story, it puts out quite a bit of alpha, but still it has a half life of 700 million years so its not super energetic compared to something like Polonium 210 which is a real ball kicker at 138 day half life. DU emits negligible alpha, until it's been in a fire. I would consider 200,000 to 2 million CPM substantial inside the human body. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:47:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When you start busting it at the atomic level it gets pretty pissed off tho. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:48:38 PM EDT
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Stolen? Sure. Stolen from ranges? I didn't think DU ammo was commonly fired on ranges. Aren't there dedicated training rounds with steel or aluminum "penetrators" to reduce costs and keep the projectiles from sailing through berms n' stuff? ETA: Training/practice rounds have "Infantry Blue" projectile. Real war rounds are black, like the discarding sabot in the picture of OP. ETA2:  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:49:36 PM EDT
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Ain’t my ranium.
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:51:32 PM EDT
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This. Also the density of the metal is the sweetness. The radioactivity isn’t desirable, it’s a side effect. They will light up a Geiger counter but it’s barely over background radiation. Wiki article. First 2-3 paragraphs is all you need to know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's plenty of normal shit much more radioactive than natural uranium out of the ground. Depleted uranium is less radioactive (slightly) than natural uranium. If these things are 'dangerous', it's because heavy metal is generally toxic, not from the radioactivity. Also the density of the metal is the sweetness. The radioactivity isn’t desirable, it’s a side effect. They will light up a Geiger counter but it’s barely over background radiation. Wiki article. First 2-3 paragraphs is all you need to know. Kharn |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:52:04 PM EDT
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Stolen? Sure. Stolen from ranges? I didn't think DU ammo was commonly fired on ranges. Aren't there dedicated training rounds with steel or aluminum "penetrators" to reduce costs and keep the projectiles from sailing through berms n' stuff? |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:53:21 PM EDT
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I got to see the after effects on some tanks in 2003. IIRC (it's been awhile now) Little hole in one side, little hole in the other, everything fried inside. Heat was a little different, little hole in one side, sometimes a hole on the other, but a lot of the times shit was just mangled. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:54:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was talking to a guy the other day, tanker 1st Gulf War, he said the exact same thing. He said he was amazed that something that was basically a dart could do that. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:54:36 PM EDT
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When you start busting it at the atomic level it gets pretty pissed off tho. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a piece of uranium ore in my radioactive collection It isnt that radioactive not-depleted Kharn |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:57:34 PM EDT
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Being a first responder to DU incidents is one of my responsibilities. The fact that the level of PPE I wear is dictated by the number of CPM we detect lends credence to the fact that burning DU does pose a radiation hazard to humans when inhaled. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your friend is wrong. DU emits some alpha but the amount is small enough that it is negligible. The chemical toxicity is far worse than the damage from the alpha. HEU is a different story, it puts out quite a bit of alpha, but still it has a half life of 700 million years so its not super energetic compared to something like Polonium 210 which is a real ball kicker at 138 day half life. The chemical toxicity on the other hand is very real, you absolutely should not breathe or ingest uranium dust under any circumstance. This goes for all heavy metals, not just U. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 11:59:23 PM EDT
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What’s up with your weird SSE pics OP? They look like they were taken seizing a cache or something
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Posted: 5/10/2019 12:01:23 AM EDT
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That might be what they tell you in whatever organization you work for but factually that is incorrect. There is no radiation "hazard" from DU in spite of the fact that it puts out enough that you can measure it. It does make a nice boogeyman to keep people afraid of it, and it makes it very convenient to find, but health wise the tiny dose you are getting off of DU doesn't do shit. The chemical toxicity on the other hand is very real, you absolutely should not breathe or ingest uranium dust under any circumstance. This goes for all heavy metals, not just U. That organization I work for is the US Army. Our procedures and publications come from places called Sandia and Los Alamos. My first job with them was shooting DU, my second job with them now involves mitigating its hazards. |
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Posted: 5/10/2019 12:01:50 AM EDT
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Was talking to a guy the other day, tanker 1st Gulf War, he said the exact same thing. He said he was amazed that something that was basically a dart could do that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I got to see the after effects on some tanks in 2003. IIRC (it's been awhile now) Little hole in one side, little hole in the other, everything fried inside. Heat was a little different, little hole in one side, sometimes a hole on the other, but a lot of the times shit was just mangled. |
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Posted: 5/10/2019 12:04:49 AM EDT
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Nuclear hysteria is best hysteria. |
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