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Posted: 4/23/2021 12:13:12 AM EDT
 Attached FileI know this is old, but is this the case elsewhere? I don’t blame anyone who has left. I know I wouldn’t be up to it. Are shortages as bad as they are reporting? Baltimore police shortage |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 12:15:38 AM EDT
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Every city is hamsterdam now.
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Posted: 4/23/2021 12:16:03 AM EDT
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Tulsa PD says they are way short of new recruits for the next academy. They only have ten eligible candidates.
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Posted: 4/23/2021 12:16:34 AM EDT
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try and find anyone who wants that career right now, lol... so glad i got out of it years ago.. 15 years was enough. cant imagine it now
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Posted: 4/23/2021 12:17:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tulsa PD says they are way short of new recruits for the next academy. They only have ten eligible candidates. Glad I’m not in Tulsa. Though, I can’t imagine anywhere is good. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 12:17:37 AM EDT
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There really can't be a lot of people stupid enough to be cops in democrat run places.
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Posted: 4/23/2021 12:17:38 AM EDT
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Yes, it's bad everywhere.
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Posted: 4/23/2021 12:18:53 AM EDT
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I regularly heard 20% vacancy rate as an average for most departments. I was speaking to a guy last week about corrections. He rolled his eyes at 20% and said it was ALOT higher.
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Posted: 4/23/2021 12:21:51 AM EDT
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We are down 3 at a 23 person department. Got 13 apps in the hiring process. We will see where it leads.
The regional SWAT team I am on is down almost 10 people and we only have one potential prospect to bring on. The people being hired these days don't want to be on the swat team. Many of them would probably rather not carry a gun. Fewer and fewer meat eaters on the street to end the fights that the diversity hires and hug a thug believers get themselves into. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 12:22:08 AM EDT
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I have a friend who is a ~4 year Army vet, retired from Atlanta PD, and is the chief of a local PD. His oldest is most likely going to attend a service academy. He's an awesome kid. If I have anything to do with it, and I do, he'll earn his Eagle Scout. Shit is a lot harder during Covid BS. His youngest is in Middle School. He's mid-50s. He's gonna pull the plug soon. He told me they'd most likely hire me with zero LEO experience, fat and mid-50s.
Keep your powder dry people. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 12:24:44 AM EDT
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Yes. Plenty of shortages.
More COPS funds are 20+ years old. What that means is the big money from the feds for hiring cops in the mid to late 90s has resulted in those cops hitting close to retirement years. With all this drama and stupidity, A LOT are pulling the plug. So, retirements are up. And COVID created a funding vacuum, as municipalities shrunk budgets. A bunch of academies were canceled. Labor contracts were put on hold. Raises stopped. And labor negotiations froze. In one month, I heard we had 110 retirements. Before all of this, we were starting to get close to our 2007 staffing levels. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 12:33:36 AM EDT
[#11]
Trump was right about Baltimore.
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Posted: 4/23/2021 12:35:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump was right about Baltimore. The rat infestation, or something else? |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 5:42:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There really can't be a lot of people stupid enough to be cops in democrat run places. 1,800 signed up to work in NYC in under two months at the end of last year. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 6:09:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a friend who is a ~4 year Army vet, retired from Atlanta PD, and is the chief of a local PD. His oldest is most likely going to attend a service academy. He's an awesome kid. If I have anything to do with it, and I do, he'll earn his Eagle Scout. Shit is a lot harder during Covid BS. His youngest is in Middle School. He's mid-50s. He's gonna pull the plug soon. He told me they'd most likely hire me with zero LEO experience, fat and mid-50s. Keep your powder dry people. You mean APD's $2500 bonus isn't working to retain people?  As to the part in bold, of course they'd hire you. APD has had academy classes where 1/3 of the new hires had a criminal record so being older shouldn't be a problem. 
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Posted: 4/23/2021 6:13:18 AM EDT
[#15]
I can understand wanting to be a cop.
I can't understand wanting to be a cop in this political environment. They'll throw you under the bus in a second for a justified shoot. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 6:13:24 AM EDT
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From a 2014 article
Last summer, the Baltimore Police Department told the Baltimore Sun that it had about one-sixth fewer officers than it needed to adequately patrol the city’s streets. But according to Governing magazine, Baltimore’s 2,962-strong law enforcement force means that there are 47.4 officers for every 10,000 residents — a police-to-population rate that’s higher than any other city in the country besides Washington, DC. Nationwide, cities with populations over 50,000 average just 17 officers per 10,000 residents, meaning that Baltimore has more than twice the police presence of most cities. We also tend to spend more on our police force than comparable cities. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 7:06:25 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The rat infestation, or something else? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Trump was right about Baltimore. The rat infestation, or something else? It's a shit hole. I lived there for a short time in 1996 and it's only gotten worse. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 7:10:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean APD's $2500 bonus isn't working to retain people? As to the part in bold, of course they'd hire you. APD has had academy classes where 1/3 of the new hires had a criminal record so being older shouldn't be a problem. This is crazy. My son does his formal interview Monday for the Statesboro PD. He was originally looking at APD as his plans are to eventually get into the FBI or other federal enforcement agency (field type, not "corporate", he doesn't have the pedigree). I was shocked that they had four positions in Statesboro and had about 30 applicants; less than 10 made the initial background check before the polygraph. Following the physical fitness/obstacle course test, they narrowed it down pretty quickly. He's just waiting on his Infantry basic course dates (likely next year), but this is a good starting point for him and he'll get to work on his masters while working in a pretty tame department and smaller town. I told my son to never work for a democratic run city. Period. ROCK6 |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 7:15:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean APD's $2500 bonus isn't working to retain people? As to the part in bold, of course they'd hire you. APD has had academy classes where 1/3 of the new hires had a criminal record so being older shouldn't be a problem. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have a friend who is a ~4 year Army vet, retired from Atlanta PD, and is the chief of a local PD. His oldest is most likely going to attend a service academy. He's an awesome kid. If I have anything to do with it, and I do, he'll earn his Eagle Scout. Shit is a lot harder during Covid BS. His youngest is in Middle School. He's mid-50s. He's gonna pull the plug soon. He told me they'd most likely hire me with zero LEO experience, fat and mid-50s. Keep your powder dry people. You mean APD's $2500 bonus isn't working to retain people? As to the part in bold, of course they'd hire you. APD has had academy classes where 1/3 of the new hires had a criminal record so being older shouldn't be a problem. Cobb county is poaching officers with their lateral transfer program. $5,000. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 7:16:21 AM EDT
[#20]
Shit Hole!
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Posted: 4/23/2021 7:18:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cobb county is poaching officers with their lateral transfer program. $5,000. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have a friend who is a ~4 year Army vet, retired from Atlanta PD, and is the chief of a local PD. His oldest is most likely going to attend a service academy. He's an awesome kid. If I have anything to do with it, and I do, he'll earn his Eagle Scout. Shit is a lot harder during Covid BS. His youngest is in Middle School. He's mid-50s. He's gonna pull the plug soon. He told me they'd most likely hire me with zero LEO experience, fat and mid-50s. Keep your powder dry people. You mean APD's $2500 bonus isn't working to retain people? As to the part in bold, of course they'd hire you. APD has had academy classes where 1/3 of the new hires had a criminal record so being older shouldn't be a problem. Cobb county is poaching officers with their lateral transfer program. $5,000. The best part is Atlanta is only giving it to the younger cops. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 7:42:07 AM EDT
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This is all anecdotal, I started in 2000, before the rush in popularity after 9/11. Even then the good local departments were having 200 applicants per test, which increased after 9/11. Those same places now are getting 5-20 applicants a hiring cycle working in the suburbs at a low national cost of living region making about $100k base by year 3. Additionally, my department has gone from requiring a degree or equivalent and a stringent PT test to requiring neither, all while having started paying some choice applicants to go through the academy. This all started roughly 3 -4 years ago, so I can only imagine what the future brings.
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Posted: 4/23/2021 7:51:47 AM EDT
[#23]
So... people DON'T want to be cops on Baltimore?
 I am shocked.  After a concert in Baltimore once, I saw a group of youths carrying a body/passed out person? Into a car. There was a uniformed cop standing about 40ft away. He looked at them, then just turned his head  That's Baltimore ETA: there were obvious plainclothes cops around too...I really don't know wtf was going on, but it was surreal that nobody seemed to care. Though, in retrospect, I may have been one of the few sober people there seeing as it was a Phish concert  Speed |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 7:53:07 AM EDT
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I hope they become short 2,000 officers.
Why would you basically commit suicide by working there? |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 7:53:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1,800 signed up to work in NYC in under two months at the end of last year. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There really can't be a lot of people stupid enough to be cops in democrat run places. 1,800 signed up to work in NYC in under two months at the end of last year. And here’s hoping every one of them is a piece of trash....sounds harsh but the city has to burn well before the idiots learn a lesson. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 9:05:44 AM EDT
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The shortage is needed to create a new recruit standard.
Lots of people with enforcement backgrounds out there just waiting, meet the new police. 
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Posted: 4/23/2021 9:16:20 AM EDT
[#27]
Hmmmm. Sounds like an opportunity to get a do-nothing job. Smile and wave
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Posted: 4/23/2021 9:20:28 AM EDT
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"Across the country, there has been a struggle in retaining and hiring officers," Assistant Chief Treadaway said. "Birmingham is no different. We are in excess of 100 officers short. This is going to allow us to get our numbers up."
https://abc3340.com/news/local/birmingham-police-to-use-familiar-faces-to-retain-and-recruit-officers 2018 article. iirc they are now down almost 300 officers. They are rehiring retired officers. I've been told they are trying to hire officers that left BPD, bring them back in at what their current step pay would be if they didn't leave etc.. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 9:26:51 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can understand wanting to be a cop. I can't understand wanting to be a cop in this political environment. They'll throw you under the bus in a second for a justified shoot. You can avoid being in a shoot, justified or otherwise, if you stay in your car and avoid the crime prone areas. It works for me as a civilian, and it can work for you too. Smile and wave. And get an unlimited data plan and a good USB charger. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 9:29:15 AM EDT
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We knew we had a bunch leaving due to maxing out in DROP, then we had a bunch leave unexpectedly. Sick time abuse is rampant. Nobody wants to come to work, even on OT. WAY behind the 8 ball, and almost 0 good candidates to hire.
This will create a shitstorm that will last for decades. If you are forced to hire turds just to fill the gaps, inevitably they will wind up as training officers in a few years, or worse yet promoting up through the ranks. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 9:30:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Across the country, there has been a struggle in retaining and hiring officers," Assistant Chief Treadaway said. "Birmingham is no different. We are in excess of 100 officers short. This is going to allow us to get our numbers up." Assistant Chief's name checks out. Just tread away at this point. Let the mayor figure it out. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 9:39:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Assistant Chief's name checks out. Just tread away at this point. Let the mayor figure it out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Across the country, there has been a struggle in retaining and hiring officers," Assistant Chief Treadaway said. "Birmingham is no different. We are in excess of 100 officers short. This is going to allow us to get our numbers up." Assistant Chief's name checks out. Just tread away at this point. Let the mayor figure it out. He's retired now. iirc on his third term as a state elected rep, chairman of the public safety committee and the one who blocks Constitutional Carry from going to a floor vote. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 9:39:57 AM EDT
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This is just the beginning of the federal governments plan to reduce resources, assets and manpower so they can completely eliminate local and state level policing and establish a militarized federal police force.
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Posted: 4/23/2021 9:42:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can avoid being in a shoot, justified or otherwise, if you stay in your car and avoid the crime prone areas. It works for me as a civilian, and it can work for you too. Smile and wave. And get an unlimited data plan and a good USB charger. Works for many places but in big cities their entire precincts, where they’re required to stay, are often “crime prone areas” |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 11:24:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can avoid being in a shoot, justified or otherwise, if you stay in your car and avoid the crime prone areas. It works for me as a civilian, and it can work for you too. Smile and wave. And get an unlimited data plan and a good USB charger.  |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 11:25:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is just the beginning of the federal governments plan to reduce resources, assets and manpower so they can completely eliminate local and state level policing and establish a militarized federal police force. I'm guessing their shirts will be some shade of brown. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 5:35:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: try and find anyone who wants that career right now, lol... so glad i got out of it years ago.. 15 years was enough. cant imagine it now |
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