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Posted: 11/27/2022 11:36:48 AM EDT
D.B. Cooper investigator believes he has solved the decades-long mystery | FOX 13 Seattle Red To long did not watch.... studying the guys tie - tied him to a lab working on titanium metals... |
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This was already known before, some speculation he worked as a machinist or similar in aerospace due to the metals found in the tie. Wait...aren't there aerospace companies in the area?!?! Er. Mah. Gerd.
Didn't read link or anything outside of this thread but assuming that is what it is...it's not new news. |
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Here is another recent, comes in several parts:
D. B. Cooper Deep family Secrets. Part 1 |
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https://www.oregonlive.com/history/2022/11/new-db-cooper-suspect-revealed-through-lab-analysis-of-skyjackers-tie-just-in-time-for-coopercon.html
Attached File Snippets from the news article: The lab analysis found a variety of metals on the tie worn by DB Cooper, most notably a unique and rare titanium alloy that Ulis’ research indicates was produced by only one company: Crucible Steel – formerly Rem-Cru Titanium. Ulis contacted the company, now known as Crucible Industries, tracked down former employees still alive who worked there in the 1960s and ‘70s, and traveled to Pittsburgh, where Crucible Steel was located. This led Ulis to the man he now believes was probably D.B. Cooper, the late Vince Petersen – yes, the same last name, with the exception of one letter, as his previous favorite suspect. ******** The guy’s theory goes out the window if DB Cooper bought the tie at a thrift shop or garage sale. |
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I watched the whole thing and the video ends while he's talking.
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So far it seems every theory has been about as credible as this fictitious one.
LOKI AS DB COOPER |
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Quoted: I work in metals. I'm a salesman. View Quote Todd Snider "D.B. Cooper" Live at KDHX 01/13/2012 |
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View Quote That’s a great Snider song, too bad about him passing. |
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Quoted: That’s a great Snider song, too bad about him passing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: That’s a great Snider song, too bad about him passing. First I've heard of Todd dying. Great lyrics in every song. |
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Quoted: This was already known before, some speculation he worked as a machinist or similar in aerospace due to the metals found in the tie. Wait...aren't there aerospace companies in the area?!?! Er. Mah. Gerd. Didn't read link or anything outside of this thread but assuming that is what it is...it's not new news. View Quote How would I know? |
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I think it was McCoy or Ted Braden. Braden was in MacVSog, deserted, and ended up being a career criminal.
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I thought I've seen a show where they found DNA on that tie and traced it.
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Quoted: The guy's theory goes out the window if DB Cooper bought the tie at a thrift shop or garage sale. View Quote Watching the video, I kept waiting to hear that this Vince Peterson stopped coming to work just before the hijack. Surely someone would remember if a specialty metals researcher simply disappeared one day. |
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Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n87XGcOsFck Red To long did not watch.... studying the guys tie - tied him to a lab working on titanium metals... View Quote How about his cousin…DP Cooper! |
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Quoted: Richard McCoy Jr is your best suspect by about 5000%. View Quote However, there is so much embarrassment from agencies around admitting it was almost certainly him that they figure it best to just leave it as "unknown". |
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This theory should be easily proven or disproven by the process of elimination.
FBI agents used several banks in the Seattle area to assemble the ransom. The money 10,000 unmarked twenty-dollar bills, most of which had serial numbers beginning with "L" (indicating issuance by the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco) was photographed on microfilm by the FBI. View Quote The FBI speculates Cooper did not survive his jump, for several reasons: the inclement weather on the night of the hijacking; Cooper's lack of proper skydiving equipment; his drop zone was a heavily wooded area; Cooper's apparent lack of detailed knowledge of his landing area; and the disappearance of the remaining ransom money, suggesting it was never spent. View Quote Using fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters from the Oregon Army National Guard, the FBI coordinated an aerial search along the entire flight path (known as Victor 23 in U.S. aviation terminology but "Vector 23" in most Cooper literature) from Seattle to Reno. Although numerous broken treetops and several pieces of plastic and other objects resembling parachute canopies were sighted and investigated, nothing relevant to the hijacking was found. View Quote On February 10, 1980, eight-year-old Brian Ingram was vacationing with his family on the Columbia River at a beachfront known as Tina (or Tena) Bar, about 9 miles (14 km) downstream from Vancouver, Washington, and 20 miles (32 km) southwest of Ariel. He uncovered three packets of the ransom cash totaling around $5,800 as he raked the sandy riverbank to build a campfire. The bills had disintegrated from lengthy exposure to the elements, but were still bundled in rubber bands. FBI technicians confirmed that the money was indeed a portion of the ransom: two packets of 100 twenty-dollar bills each, and a third packet of 90, all arranged in the same order as when given to Cooper. The discovery launched several new rounds of conjecture and ultimately raised more questions than it answered. Initial statements by investigators and scientific consultants were founded on the assumption the bundled bills washed freely into the Columbia River from one of its many connecting tributaries. An Army Corps of Engineers hydrologist noted the bills had disintegrated in a "rounded" fashion and were "matted together", indicating they "had been deposited by river action", as opposed to having been deliberately buried. That conclusion, if correct, supported the opinion that Cooper had not landed near Lake Merwin nor any tributary of the Lewis River, which feeds into the Columbia well downstream from Tina Bar. It also lent credence to supplemental speculation the drop zone was near the Washougal River, which merges with the Columbia upstream from the discovery site. The "free-floating" hypothesis presented difficulties; it did not explain the ten bills missing from one packet, nor was there a logical reason the three packets would have remained together after separating from the rest of the money. Physical evidence was incompatible with geological evidence: Himmelsbach wrote free-floating bundles would have washed up on the bank "within a couple of years" of the hijacking; otherwise the rubber bands would have long since deteriorated. Geological evidence suggested the bills arrived at Tina Bar after 1974, the year of a Corps of Engineers dredging operation on that stretch of the river. Geologist Leonard Palmer of Portland State University found two distinct layers of sand and sediment between the clay deposited on the riverbank by the dredge and the sand layer in which the bills were buried, indicating that the bills arrived long after dredging had been completed. In late 2020, analysis of diatoms found on the bills suggests the bundles found at Tina Bar were not submerged in the river or buried dry at the time of the hijacking in November 1971. Only diatoms that bloom during springtime were found, placing the date range that the money entered the water at least several months after the hijacking. In 1986, after protracted negotiations, the recovered bills were divided equally between Ingram and Northwest Orient's insurer Royal Globe Insurance; the FBI retained fourteen examples as evidence. Ingram sold fifteen of his bills at auction in 2008 for about $37,000. The Columbia River ransom money remains the only confirmed physical evidence from the hijacking found outside the aircraft. View Quote |
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Quoted: This theory should be easily proven or disproven by the process of elimination. View Quote They wondered how the packs of bills moved and got deposited together? They were frozen in a block of ice at one point and floated to that point. The rubber bands failing were moot when it was a block of frozen bills. Explains the tumbled rounded edges of the packs while the main surface area remained intact. |
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Quoted: They wondered how the packs of bills moved and got deposited together? They were frozen in a block of ice at one point and floated to that point. The rubber bands failing were moot when it was a block of frozen bills. Explains the tumbled rounded edges of the packs while the main surface area remained intact. View Quote That actually makes sense |
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Quoted: They wondered how the packs of bills moved and got deposited together? They were frozen in a block of ice at one point and floated to that point. The rubber bands failing were moot when it was a block of frozen bills. Explains the tumbled rounded edges of the packs while the main surface area remained intact. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: This theory should be easily proven or disproven by the process of elimination. They wondered how the packs of bills moved and got deposited together? They were frozen in a block of ice at one point and floated to that point. The rubber bands failing were moot when it was a block of frozen bills. Explains the tumbled rounded edges of the packs while the main surface area remained intact. Ice doesn't float down the Columbia river. |
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Quoted: Ice doesn't float down the Columbia river. View Quote I am mildly surprised at that. I live in northern NY, our rivers freeze most every year, spring melts come, raise the water levels, increase flow, lifts and breaks up the frozen surface, scours out the banks and the frozen chunks, debris, docks, trees and anything else near the banks gets flushed downstream. I figured that you got similar weather being roughly on the same latitude with hills and mountains to feed the systems. |
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Quoted: I am mildly surprised at that. I live in northern NY, our rivers freeze most every year, spring melts come, raise the water levels, increase flow, lifts and breaks up the frozen surface, scours out the banks and the frozen chunks, debris, docks, trees and anything else near the banks gets flushed downstream. I figured that you got similar weather being roughly on the same latitude with hills and mountains to feed the systems. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Ice doesn't float down the Columbia river. I am mildly surprised at that. I live in northern NY, our rivers freeze most every year, spring melts come, raise the water levels, increase flow, lifts and breaks up the frozen surface, scours out the banks and the frozen chunks, debris, docks, trees and anything else near the banks gets flushed downstream. I figured that you got similar weather being roughly on the same latitude with hills and mountains to feed the systems. The coastal climate of the non-mountainous areas of western Washington is very temperate. Between proximity to the stabilizing effect of the Pacific ocean/Strait of Juan de Fuca/Puget Sound, weather patterns that bring warmer air from the central Pacific area and the Cascade mountain range that blocks cold air from the interior, temperatures here are relatively stable and generally without significant swings one way or the other. It’s pretty uncommon for lakes and especially moving bodies of water like creeks and rivers to freeze over here. Especially with ice thick enough to encapsulate several bundles of money. |
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