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Posted: 11/15/2019 9:26:59 PM EDT
Not sure why the RMGO didn't include a 2nd amendment challenge to this law as well. Although I had read about Colorado coping the Missouri RKBA provision, this is the first attorney I've ever heard mention that in their discussions. COSC should finally conclude that the RKBA in the CO constitution is a "fundamental" right, which will require them to overrule case law in that state. MOSC, finally stated as much for theirs in Missouri v. Clay, but came to the wrong conclusion in that case...regardless....you guys should be looking at a win and I think this Attorney did a good job for you guys.
Cheers! 
RMGO -Rocky Mountain Gun Owners RKBA -Right to keep and bear arms COSC -Colorado Supreme Court MOSC -Missouri Supreme Court LCM -Large Capacity Magazines [youtube]U1QRlM9qIe4?t=2423[/youtube] |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 9:30:35 PM EDT
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Good to see.
Still very skeptical of outcome though..... my faith in government is very damaged. |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 9:39:13 PM EDT
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"Why should we be bound by decisions of the SCOTUS?"
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Posted: 11/15/2019 9:44:37 PM EDT
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Can you help me understand what this means? Is this the magazine ban case?
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Posted: 11/15/2019 9:52:01 PM EDT
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Good to see. Still very skeptical of outcome though..... my faith in government is very damaged. |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 9:52:57 PM EDT
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RMGO, RKBA, COSC,MOSC. Speak English so we have some idea what the fuck you are talking about.
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Posted: 11/15/2019 9:58:48 PM EDT
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What in the fuck is going on in here???
Eta: What the hell is LCM? |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:02:30 PM EDT
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Can you help me understand what this means? Is this the magazine ban case? |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:04:26 PM EDT
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RMGO, RKBA, COSC,MOSC. Speak English so we have some idea what the fuck you are talking about. RMGO -Rocky Mountain Gun Owners RKBA -Right to keep and bear arms COSC -Colorado Supreme Court MOSC -Missouri Supreme Court |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:05:06 PM EDT
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Never mind OP beat me to it.
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:05:26 PM EDT
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What in the fuck is going on in here??? Eta: What the hell is LCM? LCM - Large Capacity Magazines |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:08:59 PM EDT
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"Why should we be bound by decisions of the SCOTUS?" Would have been better if the attorney had simple said, Article 6 is what constrains this court. |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:10:42 PM EDT
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Nice
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:15:11 PM EDT
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@McGuy Would have been better if the attorney had simple said, Article 6 is what constrains this court. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Why should we be bound by decisions of the SCOTUS?" Would have been better if the attorney had simple said, Article 6 is what constrains this court. ETA- great post , OP. |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:16:18 PM EDT
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Aren't we supossed to wait for RBG to be replaced before we start setting precedents?
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:16:49 PM EDT
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@Napalmsticks LCM - Large Capacity Magazines |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:16:50 PM EDT
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Section 13. Right to bear arms. The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons. vs. The bill prohibits the sale, transfer, or possession of anammunition feeding device that is capable of accepting, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition or morethan 5 shotgun shells (large-capacity magazine). ... |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:17:29 PM EDT
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Good to see. Still very skeptical of outcome though..... my faith in government is very damaged. |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:20:15 PM EDT
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Aren't we supossed to wait for RBG to be replaced before we start setting precedents? |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:21:35 PM EDT
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The more I watch of this, the more it seems the members of the court are hostile to his arguments. Betting they find with the anti-gun position.
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:21:45 PM EDT
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@Napalmsticks LCM - Large Capacity Magazines |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:24:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 30 rounds is standard capacity. |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:24:39 PM EDT
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So the US Constitution and State Constitutions which are contracts with the citizens/people, can be reinterpreted by the courts.
Simply put, rights are what we feel they are regardless of founding State or Federal documents. Watching this drivel is why we are where we are. The contracts are null and void. |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:25:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You have any faith? |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:28:37 PM EDT
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The more I watch of this, the more it seems the members of the court are hostile to his arguments. Betting they find with the anti-gun position. |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:28:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Courts: It is obvious that two plus two is four, two times two is four, and two squared equals four, therefore this court finds five. |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:31:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't say that. I'm afraid they'll amend the ruling and limit us to 5 rounds. |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:32:01 PM EDT
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The colorado supreme court is full of leftists. It has been that way for a long time.
Also RMGO is just as bad as republicans, neither are our friends. |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:37:02 PM EDT
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Probably a safe bet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The more I watch of this, the more it seems the members of the court are hostile to his arguments. Betting they find with the anti-gun position. |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:45:18 PM EDT
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Don't say that. I'm afraid they'll amend the ruling and limit us to 5 rounds. |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:45:29 PM EDT
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Because the last one was so....enforced? |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 10:48:26 PM EDT
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@Traderjac Ok..I'll update the original post as well...lol. RMGO -Rocky Mountain Gun Owners RKBA -Right to keep and bear arms COSC -Colorado Supreme Court MOSC -Missouri Supreme Court |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 11:03:55 PM EDT
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I'm surprised at how seldom the lawyers of GD post in gun law threads, thanks for showing up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The more I watch of this, the more it seems the members of the court are hostile to his arguments. Betting they find with the anti-gun position.
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Posted: 11/15/2019 11:09:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No NRA? |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 11:12:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No NRA? |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 11:13:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you shocked? |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 11:14:35 PM EDT
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I can’t buy mags anywhere around me. I can’t participate in any online mag sales. Pisses me off when people say it doesn’t matter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because the last one was so....enforced? |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 11:16:17 PM EDT
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They all probably have more real lawyer work than I do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/15/2019 11:24:08 PM EDT
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LOLOL how many posts does the penguin have? (not that I'm picking on him) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/15/2019 11:26:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: No NRA? NRA Applauds Challenge to Colorado's Unconstitutional Magazine Ban Fairfax, Va. - The National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) praised the Colorado State Shooting Association (CSSA) today for filing an amicus brief in support of a challenge to Colorado's unconstitutional ban on common rifle and pistol magazines. "Magazine bans do not deter criminals or improve public safety. Instead, they unconstitutionally burden the rights of law-abiding gun owners," said Chris W. Cox, executive director of NRA's Institute for Legislative Action. At issue in the lawsuit is one of the measures signed into law by former Gov. John Hickenlooper which bans the possession, sale, purchase, or transfer of ammunition magazines that hold more than 15 rounds. "The only people impacted by this ban are the law-abiding citizens who will be forced to defend themselves, their families and their homes from violent attack with sub-standard ammunition magazines. The National Rifle Association will continue supporting the rights of Coloradans to protect themselves," Cox concluded. |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 11:31:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/15/2019 11:34:06 PM EDT
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I don't know if NY considers lawyers that practice outside of Manhattan to be real lawyers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/15/2019 11:35:37 PM EDT
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What you laughing at? Your ignorance? NRA works behind the scenes and through state level organizations, that way there is a local face on this issue. NRA Applauds Challenge to Colorado's Unconstitutional Magazine Ban Fairfax, Va. - The National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) praised the Colorado State Shooting Association (CSSA) today for filing an amicus brief in support of a challenge to Colorado's unconstitutional ban on common rifle and pistol magazines. "Magazine bans do not deter criminals or improve public safety. Instead, they unconstitutionally burden the rights of law-abiding gun owners," said Chris W. Cox, executive director of NRA's Institute for Legislative Action. At issue in the lawsuit is one of the measures signed into law by former Gov. John Hickenlooper which bans the possession, sale, purchase, or transfer of ammunition magazines that hold more than 15 rounds. "The only people impacted by this ban are the law-abiding citizens who will be forced to defend themselves, their families and their homes from violent attack with sub-standard ammunition magazines. The National Rifle Association will continue supporting the rights of Coloradans to protect themselves," Cox concluded. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: No NRA? NRA Applauds Challenge to Colorado's Unconstitutional Magazine Ban Fairfax, Va. - The National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) praised the Colorado State Shooting Association (CSSA) today for filing an amicus brief in support of a challenge to Colorado's unconstitutional ban on common rifle and pistol magazines. "Magazine bans do not deter criminals or improve public safety. Instead, they unconstitutionally burden the rights of law-abiding gun owners," said Chris W. Cox, executive director of NRA's Institute for Legislative Action. At issue in the lawsuit is one of the measures signed into law by former Gov. John Hickenlooper which bans the possession, sale, purchase, or transfer of ammunition magazines that hold more than 15 rounds. "The only people impacted by this ban are the law-abiding citizens who will be forced to defend themselves, their families and their homes from violent attack with sub-standard ammunition magazines. The National Rifle Association will continue supporting the rights of Coloradans to protect themselves," Cox concluded. |
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Posted: 11/15/2019 11:54:05 PM EDT
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Is that before or after they flew around on their private jets, shopping for new clothing, giving their family six figure do-nothing jobs, and then setting themselves up with sweet million dollar retirements packages all using members dues/donations Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/16/2019 12:03:12 AM EDT
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All of the judges but one are Democratic appointees. I think I know how this turns out...
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Posted: 11/16/2019 12:09:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol |
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Posted: 11/16/2019 12:24:55 AM EDT
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You sound triggered. Despite the shit show that Wayne caused the NRA is and has always supported the fight against magazine bans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/16/2019 12:26:28 AM EDT
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I can't buy mags anywhere around me. I can't participate in any online mag sales. Pisses me off when people say it doesn't matter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because the last one was so....enforced? |
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Posted: 11/16/2019 12:44:56 AM EDT
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Oy vey, the acronyms have four letters now?
"Why should we be bound by decisions of the SCOTUS?" That's actually a perfectly valid question to ask every. single. time. before blindly reciting SCOTUS precedent via stare decisis. We'd be in much better shape today if lower courts weren't so lazy or cowardly. Justice Thomas has repeatedly said he believes the principle wouldn't even exist if lawyers & judges did their jobs diligently. Now, being legally bound by orders is a bit different. |
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Posted: 11/16/2019 12:52:27 AM EDT
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What you laughing at? Your ignorance? NRA works behind the scenes and through state level organizations, that way there is a local face on this issue. NRA Applauds Challenge to Colorado's Unconstitutional Magazine Ban Fairfax, Va. - The National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) praised the Colorado State Shooting Association (CSSA) today for filing an amicus brief in support of a challenge to Colorado's unconstitutional ban on common rifle and pistol magazines. "Magazine bans do not deter criminals or improve public safety. Instead, they unconstitutionally burden the rights of law-abiding gun owners," said Chris W. Cox, executive director of NRA's Institute for Legislative Action. At issue in the lawsuit is one of the measures signed into law by former Gov. John Hickenlooper which bans the possession, sale, purchase, or transfer of ammunition magazines that hold more than 15 rounds. "The only people impacted by this ban are the law-abiding citizens who will be forced to defend themselves, their families and their homes from violent attack with sub-standard ammunition magazines. The National Rifle Association will continue supporting the rights of Coloradans to protect themselves," Cox concluded. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I cut them slack on this sort of thing if they aren't claiming credit (they aren't) or casting aspersions (definitely not); once the lawyers are paid for & the case proceeding, there's nothing left to do but wait & see. Sometimes there is really no need for additional outside assistance, apart from maybe an amicus brief (which probably doesn't really apply at this level of justice anyhow). |
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Posted: 11/16/2019 12:53:25 AM EDT
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You sound triggered. Despite the shit show that Wayne caused the NRA is and has always supported the fight against magazine bans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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