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Posted: 8/17/2018 5:09:04 PM EDT
Who has watched this and can give me the verdict? I can't stand to listen to Noir talk for that long, more interested in Rubin's takes. Searched rubin, noir, etc.
Do You Really Understand Guns? | Colion Noir | GUNS | Rubin Report |
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What's not to like about Noir? He's intelligent, well spoken, and he's done more for gun rights than most of the people on this forum.
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Great stuff so far, 17 minutes in. I've only ever seen Colion's NRA videos, never an interview.
I know there are a lot of haters here, but I'd love to see him on Glenn Beck's show. |
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[#12]
The few videos that I have seen of him, he doesn’t strike me as an experienced gun guy.
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[#13]
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The few videos that I have seen of him, he doesn’t strike me as an experienced gun guy. View Quote More importantly, he understands the balance of states' rights vs. the constitution, and concepts of that nature. I kind of wish he had pointed out that the AR-15 fires the smallest rifle round that is even remotely commonly used (I think the .17HMR is the only one that's smaller, and who the heck has one of those?), but that's nitpicking. |
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He can tell right away that certain negative comments on Twitter and other social media outlets are by people who have never actually held or shot a gun.
A truer statement has never been made. I see the same people at work and in many other social settings. Yapping their behinds off with zero real world experience on anything firearm related. |
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While I like watching Dave Rubin's show, this one seemed to lack structure.
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[#19]
A better video is when the old (liberal) Rubin interviewed Larry Elder who beat him senseless with facts dispelling many liberal notions that Rubin had, which is what turned him from the dark side.
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Would have been better if he spent less time on the technical details of various guns and more time on why regulated access to weapons isn't a useful approach to reducing violence. Yes, if you're going to advocate for restricting something it obviously matters for you to know what it is and what it does. And obviously we should call it out when people literally don't understand what something is that they're trying to ban, like if they think magazines have anything to do with making bullets penetrate armor.
But I don't think it's productive to nitpick with people over what the AR in AR15 stands for, or whether to say silencer or suppressor. When we nitpick about the technical details of guns, it's really discussing the issue on illogical terms. The debate is about whether or not restricting guns is a useful strategy to reduce violence, which puts the burden of proof on the affirmative statement. I think something like this is the winning approach. "About 60% of America's gun deaths each year are suicides. About 10% are done by cops on duty. The remainder are concentrated mostly in inner city communities that have been destabilized by the war on drugs. People tend to kill eachother more often when you keep their communities locked in perpetual cycles of generational poverty over victimless drug crimes. And when you don't, they don't. Kids grow up into violent adults when they grow up in fatherless homes because their dad is spending a large portion of his life in a cell over some weed they found in his glove box. Then when the dad does make it home, he has a felony on his record, which narrows his career options down to McDonalds and gang crime. What example does that set in the mind of his kid? Canada's gun laws, if you look into the details, aren't that much stricter than America's. The process to get an assault rifle is harder, granted. But it isn't hard. And Switzerland's gun laws are like a gun nut's wet dream. Know what they both don't have? A war on drugs. But sure, the national conversation should totally focus on buttstocks that you can fold sideways and how many bullets can fit inside this plastic rectangle with a spring in it." |
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Would have been better if he spent less time on the technical details of various guns and more time on why regulated access to weapons isn't a useful approach to reducing violence. Yes, if you're going to advocate for restricting something it obviously matters for you to know what it is and what it does. And obviously we should call it out when people literally don't understand what something is that they're trying to ban, like if they think magazines have anything to do with making bullets penetrate armor. But I don't think it's productive to nitpick with people over what the AR in AR15 stands for, or whether to say silencer or suppressor. When we nitpick about the technical details of guns, it's really discussing the issue on illogical terms. The debate is about whether or not restricting guns is a useful strategy to reduce violence, which puts the burden of proof on the affirmative statement. I think something like this is the winning approach. "About 60% of America's gun deaths each year are suicides. About 10% are done by cops on duty. The remainder are concentrated mostly in inner city communities that have been destabilized by the war on drugs. People tend to kill eachother more often when you keep their communities locked in perpetual cycles of generational poverty over victimless drug crimes. And when you don't, they don't. Kids grow up into violent adults when they grow up in fatherless homes because their dad is spending a large portion of his life in a cell over some weed they found in his glove box. Then when the dad does make it home, he has a felony on his record, which narrows his career options down to McDonalds and gang crime. What example does that set in the mind of his kid? Canada's gun laws, if you look into the details, aren't that much stricter than America's. The process to get an assault rifle is harder, granted. But it isn't hard. And Switzerland's gun laws are like a gun nut's wet dream. Know what they both don't have? A war on drugs. But sure, the national conversation should totally focus on buttstocks that you can fold sideways and how many bullets can fit inside this plastic rectangle with a spring in it." View Quote Drug laws are only a very small part of the very large cultural problem in the inner city. |
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Laying it all at the feet on the "war on drugs" is a cop-out. Drug laws are only a very small part of the very large cultural problem in the inner city. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Would have been better if he spent less time on the technical details of various guns and more time on why regulated access to weapons isn't a useful approach to reducing violence. Yes, if you're going to advocate for restricting something it obviously matters for you to know what it is and what it does. And obviously we should call it out when people literally don't understand what something is that they're trying to ban, like if they think magazines have anything to do with making bullets penetrate armor. But I don't think it's productive to nitpick with people over what the AR in AR15 stands for, or whether to say silencer or suppressor. When we nitpick about the technical details of guns, it's really discussing the issue on illogical terms. The debate is about whether or not restricting guns is a useful strategy to reduce violence, which puts the burden of proof on the affirmative statement. I think something like this is the winning approach. "About 60% of America's gun deaths each year are suicides. About 10% are done by cops on duty. The remainder are concentrated mostly in inner city communities that have been destabilized by the war on drugs. People tend to kill eachother more often when you keep their communities locked in perpetual cycles of generational poverty over victimless drug crimes. And when you don't, they don't. Kids grow up into violent adults when they grow up in fatherless homes because their dad is spending a large portion of his life in a cell over some weed they found in his glove box. Then when the dad does make it home, he has a felony on his record, which narrows his career options down to McDonalds and gang crime. What example does that set in the mind of his kid? Canada's gun laws, if you look into the details, aren't that much stricter than America's. The process to get an assault rifle is harder, granted. But it isn't hard. And Switzerland's gun laws are like a gun nut's wet dream. Know what they both don't have? A war on drugs. But sure, the national conversation should totally focus on buttstocks that you can fold sideways and how many bullets can fit inside this plastic rectangle with a spring in it." Drug laws are only a very small part of the very large cultural problem in the inner city. |
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[#23]
I don't have time to watch the whole thing.
I like Colion Noir I liked his gun reviews before he was a NRA spokesman and after. I've read on here he is a very approachable down to earth guy. He has passed the BAR exam in Texas and is good guy to have on our side. I don't agree with everything he says but I don't agree with anybody 100%. |
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Quoted: You don't think that the violence around drug markets mirrors the violence that existed around prohibition era alcohol markets? Or was that cultural as well? View Quote What has happened here is generational. I'd say welfare and social programs have done more damage than the "war on drugs". |
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Great stuff so far, 17 minutes in. I've only ever seen Colion's NRA videos, never an interview. I know there are a lot of haters here, but I'd love to see him on Glenn Beck's show. View Quote |
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GB still has a show? I quit listening to him altogether during the 2016 election cycle. Since he's off SiriusXM Patriot, he's off my radar. I used to listen daily and was a paid subscriber to the Blaze TV until about 2014. He's gone off the deep end, as far as I'm concerned. View Quote |
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It's remarkable how self destructive gun owners can be when someone isn't 100% aligned with an others personal view of 2A. Noir is kind of annoying at times, but he's on our side for fuck sake.
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A better video is when the old (liberal) Rubin interviewed Larry Elder who beat him senseless with facts dispelling many liberal notions that Rubin had, which is what turned him from the dark side. View Quote The Moment LARRY ELDER changed DAVE RUBINS Mind Forever (Systemic Racism) |
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He was on, Rogan a few months back. Seems like he's come a long way since his up-bringing. Guess he is a lawyer, too.
Yes, "I guess" he's on our side. He totes the NRA line. Just like, Dana L. Sigh... |
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Fuck him. Still haven’t forgotten his race baiting antics. https://www.vox.com/first-person/2017/6/27/15875708/philando-castile-shooting-video-nra https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/21/nras-colion-noir-on-controversial-cop-involved-shooting-philando-castile-should-be-alive-today |
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[#40]
I like them both.
Any man that deals with stupid shit like this and can maintain his sanity is ok by me. Failed To Load Title |
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Colion rarely hits the point in a truly decisive manner. On Rogan and especially on Mahr, he strays and most annoyingly allows himself to be taken aback by "gotcha" questions. Then he fails to seize any real initiative and actually make a hard point.
Unfortunately among 2nd Advocates, we don't see anyone really capitalize in a manner similar to that of Cody Wilson, who literally plays the media and smashes the point he's trying to make. |
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View Quote Give him his own show. |
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[#43]
Rubin is learning, but he's still about 87% pantywaste.
At about 40 min, he suggests a state is ok violating an individual's Constitutional rights because that individual can suck it up and leave that state. Until he gets this right, he's still a failure: 1. Constitutional Rights 2. State rights to do other stuff not in it. 3. Federal rights. Or, if you want, you can reverse 2 and 3. |
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Cannot take that guy Colon seriously who ruined Hk VP9s by making them look like shit, plastering a shitty logo and then upping the price on them...
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Colion rarely hits the point in a truly decisive manner. On Rogan and especially on Mahr, he strays and most annoyingly allows himself to be taken aback by "gotcha" questions. Then he fails to seize any real initiative and actually make a hard point. Unfortunately among 2nd Advocates, we don't see anyone really capitalize in a manner similar to that of Cody Wilson, who literally plays the media and smashes the point he's trying to make. View Quote |
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Quoted: That's who I was hoping would make the rounds given the hysteria lately, but maybe the beatdowns he issued on the interviews didn't get him invited elsewhere. He was damned good. View Quote |
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If I'm not mistaken he supported BLM and went anti LEO in a couple speeches.
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