You are claiming to know more about the Father’s business than he does. That’s His role, judgement, not ours.  You have doubts, that’s good. Things need to be scrutinized. But eternity is a long time and gambling with your destination on that isn’t worth it.

OP has very valid reasons for posting the message AND not putting it in the religion forum.  By and far, GD sees the most traffic, which is why it should be posted here to get the greatest exposure.  Jesus Christ offers a FREE gift of eternal life.  Accept Jesus Christ into your heart, knowing that he died on the cross for your sins.  When you deny Jesus, he will not welcome into his home after your life on earth is over.  And if you are not in heaven with Jesus, there is only one other place to go.

I would love to see more people come to Jesus...even folks in GD who I only know by their screen name.   Life is short.  Eternity is forever.

But I like lusting over women god damnit.

Sorry, I'll stop now. I'm not an athiest, more like a deist.

If I have angered you let me post this wonderful picture to cheer you up.

Well he shouldn't have let the dems win.

I know, not his fault. Clock maker God agnostic here.
Just in case I have my hand basket all ready to go. Just waiting for the right time to hop in.

I take it you haven't heard the good word from the nice folks at the Cottoneye Joe Church?

Now that's funny.  :D

This makes sense to me. I have no choice in the matter since being a good person isn't enough apparently.

the last missionary that went to sentinel island got speared to death

the gospel of christ has been delivered to all corners of the world in some format

the people who choose to root their feet have made their choice by now.

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Thanks Jesus!

He won't talk to me.

Amen!

posts like that make people want to walk away from Christianity.  

I welcome it. Aimless and I will share warm beers over smoldering coals.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I have a very rebellious daughter. If she doesn’t come around, can I really sell her into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They will not claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle- room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend) He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. ..... Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws?

factual ones?

I'm not aware of any non-liberal churches preach that hell doesn't exist. I don't believe in any way that preaching to someone to fear hell will bring them into salvation and scare tactics aren't the way but 9divdoc is correct.

  Get out of the Old Testament and get into the New.

Here's a guy who made the decision to click on a thread, read the thing, then made another decision to click the reply button, took the time to let everyone know how he felt, and cried about how he was pushed into this.

How about not physically moving your mouse over a thread and clicking to read shit that doesn't interest you.

The fact is you saw this thread and COULDN'T WAIT to rush in here and vomit your feelz.

Does saying someone will burn in a lake of fire count as persecution?

The whole thing has a creepy ex vibe to it.  “Love me or I’ll kill you!”

But the Old is so much more fun  After all, Classic Coke is 87 times better than new Coke.

Hell isn't a punishment and no one goes there without first choosing it. It's just a place completely devoid of God. The descriptions of suffering there are nothing more than a warning and only describe what we do to ourselves when left to our own devices.

the worst thing to happen to Christianity was to attach the Old Testament to the New Testament and call it all "one complete book."

For what it's worth...

Most people don't believe that Jesus Christ was the Son of God and that he died on the cross for our sins.

And most people don't believe in Hell either. And those that do believe in Hell generally don't believe that they are in any danger of going. After all, Hell is for all the bad people and people generally believe themselves to be good.

Therefore, your message can only have any impact on someone who...

Believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died on the Cross to redeem us from our sins.
That there is a literal Hell.
And that they are personally, by virtue of being sinners, deserving of spending eternity in that Hell.

Anyone who fits those three categories is almost certainly already a Christian.

I hope you got to hell for using "Irregardless"!!  I feel as though it is not "englishly correct" (which we learned about the other day on here).


Did god create Covid so that nurses could feel better about themselves?

OK

there are people here who will, in all seriousness, argue that Hell is literally a giant underground cave with fire and lava and little demons tormenting the occupants with pitchforks forever.

If OP is the same poster that used to have a Bill Murray holding a shot glasss avatar, I'm guessing he has made a major life change. If so, good on him.

Mohamed, praise be upon him, is the only true prophet and the Koran is the true word of Allah.

How God created you to walk in a secular world  will be amplified a million times as a child of God. Example if you ever turn to Christ you would use your gift to keep church's in order and from straying from the gospels, you would call out all those who do not speak the truth. Like Adrian Monk said "it's a gift and a curse".

in short if you ever become born again it will most likely be your skepticism that will bring you to it.

He could just practice that "unconditional love" the religion named after him preaches and forgive everyone.

Nah, screw that.

What if I already turned to Christ but there was nothing there? I don't believe. I can't FORCE myself to believe. I could pretend, but that would be a sham. I need something concrete, but will never get it.
So...I'm destined to hell, and I have no choice in the matter.

Without the Old Testament there is no New Testament. A good deal of it prophesies about Jesus particularly Psalms, Isaiah, and Jesus himself speaks of Jonah, Moses, Isaac, Elijah.

I'm not sure where your reckoning of things is coming from.

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There is a special place in arfcom for it.

Jay

I never try to convert anybody, but I would swear under oath that Jesus is real because the Holy Spirit very strongly touched my soul as a new believer.  I had what people used to call the "born again experience."

NOTHING on this fucking planet can generally make me cry.  Even the death of a loved one has historically not been enough to make me shed actual, physical tears.

But when the Holy Spirit filled my soul I wept with joy uncontrollably.

And at the risk of being ridiculed I would not admit to something like that unless it were true and affected me  profoundly.

It may just not be your time yet. I needed to be broken before I could be built back up and it didn't happen when I wanted it to. Keep an honest, open heart and mind and continue to seek the truth and it will be revealed to you.

look at the result of jamming the OT and NT into one book.  People cite to stuff from Exodus and Leviticus that was applicable to the Israelites and believe it's 100% applicable to Christianity.  Or they say "well this piece from OT doesn't apply but this does" and thus engage in Cafeteria Biblism while vociferously denying they do so.

Christianity is a great religion until it starts getting twisted into knots by people who try to rationalize or ignore the contradictions between the OT and NT.

If God is the ultimate judge and the only one who can administer true justice, then no one is going to hell who doesn’t deserve to be there.

It’s quite possible that God allowed people to be born in places where He knew they would not be exposed to His word, because being omniscient and all knowing, He knew they would choose to accept Jesus.

Why did He create it then?

I'm a believer, and I'm not trolling. I've just never heard a reasonable theological explanation for that concept.

I understand that man must be made perfect to be in the presence of God. I understand that we were created and given free will and that every one of us is guilty of sin, and must accept Christ's atonement for our salvation.

I believe God does love us, and wants us to accept Christ and live eternally with him in Heaven.

I can understand the concept of "Hell", as a place where non-believers will end up, because they can't be in Heaven. I believe that an eternity outside of the light of God's love will be one of darkness and misery. Or maybe a "spiritual death" where the soul is poofed out of existence. Or even of a temporary "purgatory" type state where one has to learn some sort of lesson or endure certain punishment before moving to the light.

But the concept of a place created by a loving God, for the purpose of eternal, literal, torment and punishment, where the vast majority of humanity will be sent, makes no sense. I know that different faiths have different opinions. But I've spoken with several Christians who believe exactly that. And with no exceptions. You either accept Christ or you burn for ever and ever. Babies or children too young to choose? Straight to hell. Everyone that has ever lived in places that didn't have the Word of God? Straight to hell. Mentally disabled? Yep, into the fire.

"Hey guys. So I created you, and I love you so much that I'm going to come down from my throne and die a miserable, painful death to pay for the sins you are absolutely guilty of, because I'm giving you free will. I just really really really don't want you to end up going to this absolutely horrific place that I created. I mean, it sucks big time. You ever burn your finger getting a pizza out of the oven? It's like that, except it's your whole body. And when your skin melts off, it'll grow back so it can get burned off again forever. You like rats gnawing on your eyeballs? No? That's too bad, because that's what you're getting. Oh, oh, oh, wait. This is totally aweso.... I mean horrible. What's your worst fear? Drowning? Claustrophobia? Spiders? Man oh man, are we going to take advantage of that. So anyway, that place is there with the sole purpose of punishing you forever for the sins you will commit during your very short time on earth. Hope you make the right choice, because I really don't want you to end up there. Because I love you."

Also, no matter what, why is there this idea in our zeitgeist, that Lucifer/Satan/El Diablo and his demons, will be in charge of that place? Dishing out punishments, poking people with pitchforks, whatever? I don't believe there is any scriptural evidence that Satan is going to be in any position other than being punished with everyone else.

I blame Charlie Daniels for that one.

Do the handicapped go to hell?

I thought Jesus died for our sins. Are we not supposed to get our money's worth?

All joking aside, I don't want to go to Hell, but I was born this way.

That is actually interesting. Near Death Experience? Actual Death but you were resuscitated? If you don't mind sharing circumstances Id love to hear it. Even if its just an IM.


So this is totally "out there"

Myself, I'm Agnostic, I do believe in a higher power, and I do believe that Jesus was an exceptional and awesome being (I'm not sure if he's the son of god, but I do think he was not from this world or planet). I'm not a fan of organized religion though, it's been corrupted by humanity and bent to suit the will of the ruling classes (my family is catholic and I ended up just turning my back on the church). All of the ritualistic stuff in religion is just so tiresome.

I do believe there is some form of afterlife, and that our soul or spirit leaves our body to go elsewhere. I believe in the big bang theory, but there had to of been a presence observing it; or one that even caused it. Actually taking up astronomy has cemented this idea in my head. Some of the stars/nebula/etc just look too amazing and beautiful to of happened by chance.

In a way it makes me feel lonely though, I don't think we are the only intelligent life forms out there, if this is the case there is a lot on "god's" plate. We are one planet of 6 billion+, whos to say there isn't hundreds or even thousands of earths out there at a minimum?

The idea of heaven is cool and all. But honestly given the chance I'd rather roam the universe as a "ghost". Just exploring it would take all eternity and time would be meaningless anyways.

I try to be a good person, I treat others the way I'd want to be treated. I try to have empathy and I avoid hurting people when I can. I don't do this out of fear of burning in hell for eternity.

If a Christian God wants to condemn me to hell for having something as beliefs or individual thought, "Hell" or purgatory sounds more fun anyways.

I've already been broken. I guess if I die tomorrow I'm just fucked....

It suits me just fine to go to hell, thank you.  If I'm expected to do mental gymnastics like you just did to explain away a fundamental flaw in the logic of "Jebus Saves" then I never stood any chance as a grown man to 'see the light'...  When this is all over, there's nothing.  So if I wake up in the fires of hell I'll be ecstatic.  Just gotta wait for a few billion years for the old man to get bored and start the whole fucked up experiment over again for round two.  He's bound to need a few souls to recycle.  Maybe I'l get to be a turtle next time.

Amen.

Christ said it himself, there is no way to heaven except through him.  Faith in his free gift.

He also founded the Catholic Church to help.

They go to their own special layer of hell on the undertakers short bus.

Not only do they go, they get sent to the front of the line.

True.

We are set up for success, not failure.