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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:54:09 AM EDT
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China is going to be some some major muscle flexing.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:58:12 AM EDT
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The squeeze is being put on Japan and the US, but as you can see from these charts it will hit Japan the hardest and the fastest.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/chinas-dominance-in-rare-earth-metals/ Hopefully, the deep-sea mining of rare earth minerals that the Japanese government is pumping billions of yen into will pay off soon. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:58:37 AM EDT
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China is making moves.
Install green energy president in the USA who will mandate the destruction of domestic energy production. Be the sole supplier of green energy (solar) and the raw materials to make panels and batteries. End result = A nation awash in its own energy resources (that it is no longer allowed to use) is subservient to China for power. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:59:07 AM EDT
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The only reason why the chinese produce the most rare earth metals is because they're the only ones willing to do it. It produces a crazy amount of pollution that western countries aren't willing to put up with. There's a whole city in china that looks like a wasteland because they just dump toxic sludge in the streets and lakes. If the west wanted to we could (and should) mine our own.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:01:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only reason why the chinese produce the most rare earth metals is because they're the only ones willing to do it. It produces a crazy amount of pollution that western countries aren't willing to put up with. There's a whole city in china that looks like a wasteland because they just dump toxic sludge in the streets and lakes. If the west wanted to we could (and should) mine our own. Just one city that looks like that? |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:04:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: China is going to be some some major muscle flexing. Why not, who's going to stop them? Sleepy Joe...lol, NO...he's on their payroll too. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:06:33 PM EDT
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and the greenies will close down all our mines or put the kabosh on any new mines opening up...assume Canada will do the same?...
Make China Great Again |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:14:49 PM EDT
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimvinoski/2021/01/15/these-two-companies-are-innovating-to-help-with-americas-rare-earths-challenge/?sh=19fc07be68ac
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:15:48 PM EDT
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If only there was a country we invaded almost 20 years ago that was awash with the same rare earth minerals.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:17:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The squeeze is being put on Japan and the US, but as you can see from these charts it will hit Japan the hardest and the fastest. https://www.visualcapitalist.com/chinas-dominance-in-rare-earth-metals/ Hopefully, the deep-sea mining of rare earth minerals that the Japanese government is pumping billions of yen into will pay off soon. Here's hoping. Otherwise China has both countries by the nuts - what technology doesn't make use of rare-earths? Barring successful deep sea nodule collection or seabed mining our only hope is something like discovery of a cheaper or easier process for extraction and separation. "Rare" earth metals are common but hard to get. Aluminum used to be difficult to separate as well so who knows. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:17:26 PM EDT
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The thing about rare Earths is that they are literally only rare on Earth. We need to seriously kickstart our ability mine in the solar system.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:18:38 PM EDT
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Biden will stop them.........
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:18:48 PM EDT
[#13]
Good for China. Let them be the dominant power on the planet if they're willing to do what needs done to get there and stay there. We had our shot and didn't even make it a full century after taking over for the British.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:19:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good for China. Let them be the dominant power on the planet if they're willing to do what needs done to get there and stay there. We had our shot and didn't even make it a full century after taking over for the British. You know........if we are too fucking stupid as a country to see the writing on the wall.......then fuck it, I agree with you. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:20:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the west wanted to we could (and should) mine our own. Your neighborhood first |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:21:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The thing about rare Earths is that they are literally only rare on Earth. We need to seriously kickstart our ability mine in the solar system. Quote HistoryQuoted: The thing about rare Earths is that they are literally only rare on Earth. We need to seriously kickstart our ability mine in the solar system. Wrong. ...rare-earth elements are relatively plentiful in Earth's crust, with cerium being the 25th most abundant element at 68 parts per million, more abundant than copper. I do agree on asteroidal mining of course - that would be great and is doable with current tech. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:22:17 PM EDT
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Their minerals. Their rules.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:22:56 PM EDT
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Didn't DOD issue a report years ago that said China's CCP having control over the rare earth metals supply chain was an immediate existential threat and the US needed at least a 100,000 Ton stockpile to be safe?
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:23:15 PM EDT
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A few years ago a guy proved a few square miles of ocean floor had all the rare earth we needed for years.
Never heard a thing about that again. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:23:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't DOD issue a report years ago that said China's CCP having control over the rare earth metals supply chain was an immediate existential threat and the US needed at least a 100,000 Ton stockpile to be safe? That rings a bell...... |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:25:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If only there was a country we invaded almost 20 years ago that was awash with the same rare earth minerals. The problem with that is the security and access cost. Plus the bribes, goats, and donkeys you have to pay for. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:26:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: China is making moves. Install green energy president in the USA who will mandate the destruction of domestic energy production. Be the sole supplier of green energy (solar) and the raw materials to make panels and batteries. End result = A nation awash in its own energy resources (that it is no longer allowed to use) is subservient to China for power. To add to your point, China has little to no environmental protection, while the western world in stymied by it. I recall a documentary or news report about where your recycled computers go in China and it was a dude squatting in a ditch melting the metals out of a circuit board with what appeared to be a blowtorch. The waste was just going into the stream. He was wearing shorts and flip flops. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:27:44 PM EDT
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Of course they are.
The question of course is will they be able to police their own citizens/party when it becomes a high(er) value item(s)? Speed |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:28:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: China is making moves. Install green energy president in the USA who will mandate the destruction of domestic energy production. Be the sole supplier of green energy (solar) and the raw materials to make panels and batteries. End result = A nation awash in its own energy resources (that it is no longer allowed to use) is subservient to China for power. Exactly. I can see this and I'm not a genius man. All these raw materials are needed for electronics, solar panels, and electric vehicles that governments are mandating into use. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:28:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If only there was a country we invaded almost 20 years ago that was awash with the same rare earth minerals. If only there was already a source in the US  2008 Reserve estimates put around 100 years of reserves at past production rates. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:28:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't DOD issue a report years ago that said China's CCP having control over the rare earth metals supply chain was an immediate existential threat and the US needed at least a 100,000 Ton stockpile to be safe? Gee - you mean like the same problem we have with tungsten? Where's that come from again? Oh right - China mines 80000 tons annually. Meanwhile we aren't allowed to mine the giant deposits - one of which has been estimated to have north of 150000 tons of tungsten - in places like Colorado Utah Idaho and Montana. For EPA bullshit reasons. 
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:31:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A few years ago a guy proved a few square miles of ocean floor had all the rare earth we needed for years. Never heard a thing about that again. https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/norway-moves-quickly-to-start-undersea-mining/5737646.html The race is on to do it, but something about sucking up a few meters of the ocean floor, filtering out the stuff you want (chemically or another way), and dumping the stuff you don't want back in the ocean is concerning for fishermen. The minerals are there, but getting access to them cleanly is the challenge. Japan expects to do it within 10 years and they have been working on it for over 20 years, it's that difficult and dirty. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:34:17 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: China is going to be some some major muscle flexing. I am interested to see what they do in the South China Sea and Djibouti. Would not be too hard for them to take over the Red Sea/Suez canal and the area around the Straits of Malacca. Would Joe step to them? |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:36:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The thing about rare Earths is that they are literally only rare on Earth. We need to seriously kickstart our ability mine in the solar system. Any time you mine rare earths you get Thorium. Thorium is completely safe, you could eat a big handful. But the fucking American filthy pinko communists declared Thorium to be a "nuclear fuel". This is NOT TRUE. Thorium must absorb a neutron to become fissile and become a nuclear fuel. What this did is shut down rare earth mining in America, and help create the Chinese lock on rare earths. The US could start producing shit-tons of rare earths tomorrow if this evil shit-bird regulation was removed. There is already a company that has volunteered to buy up all the Thorium anyone mines, so it's not an issue at all. This is how evil our "congress" is. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:36:45 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am interested to see what they do in the South China Sea and Djibouti. Would not be too hard for them to take over the Red Sea/Suez canal and the area around the Straits of Malacca. Would Joe step to them? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: China is going to be some some major muscle flexing. I am interested to see what they do in the South China Sea and Djibouti. Would not be too hard for them to take over the Red Sea/Suez canal and the area around the Straits of Malacca. Would Joe step to them? No - but he might jump to help them. Wouldn't that be something? USA troops aiding China in taking places over. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:38:49 PM EDT
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Can't wait to see new Lear Capital commercials in response....
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:39:35 PM EDT
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We do have this - I have a very small stake in this company as a 'lottery ticket'
http://www.rareelementresources.com/bear-lodge-project http://www.rareelementresources.com/bear-lodge-project |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:39:48 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gee - you mean like the same problem we have with tungsten? Where's that come from again? Oh right - China mines 80000 tons annually. Meanwhile we aren't allowed to mine the giant deposits - one of which has been estimated to have north of 150000 tons of tungsten - in places like Colorado Utah Idaho and Montana. For EPA bullshit reasons. Quote HistoryQuoted: Gee - you mean like the same problem we have with tungsten? Where's that come from again? Oh right - China mines 80000 tons annually. Meanwhile we aren't allowed to mine the giant deposits - one of which has been estimated to have north of 150000 tons of tungsten - in places like Colorado Utah Idaho and Montana. For EPA bullshit reasons. Quoted: Gee - you mean like the same problem we have with tungsten? Where's that come from again? Oh right - China mines 80000 tons annually. Meanwhile we aren't allowed to mine the giant deposits - one of which has been estimated to have north of 150000 tons of tungsten - in places like Colorado Utah Idaho and Montana. For EPA bullshit reasons. I have been thinking its CCP backing the environmental groups that oppose the US mining their own all the while advocating for more products that use it. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:40:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The thing about rare Earths is that they are literally only rare on Earth. We need to seriously kickstart our ability mine in the solar system. That also implies refining and manufacturing in orbit or elsewhere in space. While I (really!) like the idea of mining space, there are major hurdles to doing this. - Time - the time it takes to get ore or product from the asteroid belt to earth orbit via minimum power trajectory is significant. Measured in years. - Micro-gravity - prolonged living in micro gravity has long-term bad effects on people. - Accidents - a large chunk of ore/product that is a bit off in its orbit comes crashing to earth. This would easily be equal to a megaton level nuke going off. - Monopoly - only very large and well-funded operations could enter this business. - Ect.... - I'm sure there are a boat-load of other issues out there that I'm not thinking of. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:41:13 PM EDT
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Remember when we had to smuggle Tungsten out of the USSR to build the SR-71?
Fun times |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:42:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your neighborhood first Mining isn't really the issue, it's the refining. The buy-products are so toxic they make Bhopal look like a picnic area. I was heavy into Lynas when they were about to bring a facility online in Malaysia, right up until the Malaysian government got a good look at what they were signing up for. When money won't overcome a couple of hundred tons of carcinogenic tailings in the third world, you got some dirty shit on your hands. Hmmm, off to look at Lynas again... |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:48:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only reason why the chinese produce the most rare earth metals is because they're the only ones willing to do it. It produces a crazy amount of pollution that western countries aren't willing to put up with. There's a whole city in china that looks like a wasteland because they just dump toxic sludge in the streets and lakes. If the west wanted to we could (and should) mine our own. It is why they are so involved with getting "green" laws and politicians who support them put in place in the west. China is a generational thinking hivemind. If they destroy vast swaths of their own nation on the road to global domination, it represents an acceptable loss. All those nice, pristine, well cared for western nations just sitting out there for them to occupy in 100-200 years once they have bankrupted and starved out the current occupants. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:51:33 PM EDT
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LOL
but what about the MA mandate for all electric vehicles by 2035? but what about our de-carbonization to solar power where will we get the ingredients make make all the batteries and solar cells? oh no! anyway... 
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Posted: 1/17/2021 1:06:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only reason why the chinese produce the most rare earth metals is because they're the only ones willing to do it. It produces a crazy amount of pollution that western countries aren't willing to put up with. There's a whole city in china that looks like a wasteland because they just dump toxic sludge in the streets and lakes. If the west wanted to we could (and should) mine our own. But mines of all sorts are going to be curtailed under the democunts totalitarian regime. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 1:07:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The thing about rare Earths is that they are literally only rare on Earth. We need to seriously kickstart our ability mine in the solar system. supernova production is expensive |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 1:19:29 PM EDT
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China owns the highest purity known reserves of silicon on the planet, under our mountains in Western North Carolina. That's right, the FCCP owns it.
 https://www.wired.com/story/book-excerpt-science-of-ultra-pure-silicon/ I'm sure this is the case for some other raw resources as well. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 1:20:39 PM EDT
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The US lets a pansy get into the White House and China fucks everyone? Shocking...
Kharn |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 1:30:59 PM EDT
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I'm glad I got my mini magnets already.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 1:55:22 PM EDT
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So this is how magnets work?
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Posted: 1/17/2021 2:02:03 PM EDT
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We were dependent on hostile nations to get our oil, now we'll be dependent on hostile nations to get our batteries.
It's obviously intentional. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 2:08:43 PM EDT
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Defense Metals (DEFN.V DFMTF) has been stretching its legs recently.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 2:11:29 PM EDT
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IIRC it's not the mining thats the problem environmentally its the processing and supposedly they are working on a plant in Texas to handle processing. The project was funded in part by the DoD for this very reason.....China would eventually use their production as a weapon.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 2:12:40 PM EDT
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I've said it before and I will say it again......F CHINA! 10ring
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Posted: 1/17/2021 2:19:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The thing about rare Earths is that they are literally only rare on Earth. We need to seriously kickstart our ability mine in the solar system. They aren’t even rare on earth. Poorly named element group that is actually fairly common. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 3:27:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: uhh, they are rare everywhere supernova production is expensive Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The thing about rare Earths is that they are literally only rare on Earth. We need to seriously kickstart our ability mine in the solar system. supernova production is expensive Jesus yall need some science, rare Earth minerals aren't rare. |
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