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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:21:18 PM EDT
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Faraday bags, or leave them at home, if one is concerned about being tracked by their phone. Snowden talked about this a lot on Joe Rogan's podcast when he was on there.
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:23:15 PM EDT
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Those Librem phones have physical switches on the side for turning off the WiFi and cellular. Bit niche for some, but cool still.
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:24:10 PM EDT
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These threads are always fun....
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:24:58 PM EDT
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What about "flight mode" ?
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:26:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Faraday bags, or leave them at home, if one is concerned about being tracked by their phone. Snowden talked about this a lot on Joe Rogan's podcast when he was on there. Since Snowden let the cat out of the bag, I can't believe there are still people around who don't realize that their cell phones are ratting them out 24/7, and have been for about twenty five years. First time I saw it in action, in 1994 (and this was pre-GPS) was a drug dealer who drove from New York to Maryland to kill a Maryland state trooper who had busted him on the highway. His phone provided a breadcrumb trail all the way from his house to the trooper's house and back, just using the cell phone towers he pinged off of. Now, today? Forget about it. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:26:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about "airline mode" ? What about it? It still allows the GPS to receive signals and programs could just hold onto that data until they are connected again. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:27:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about "flight mode" ? I'd be curious to go into a faraday cage with a spectrum analyzer to see if it completely goes RF silent. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:27:39 PM EDT
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If you don't want to be tracked you don't have a signal on you.
Damn, it's like nobody ever watched Forensic Files or any crime documentaries. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:28:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: These threads are always fun.... It's no pleasure journal thread but it has potential. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:29:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: These threads are always fun.... Double tap |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:30:28 PM EDT
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I really dont know how to make this more simple for people to understand, LEAVE YOUR PHONE HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JFC people, you can actually live without for awhile. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:30:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:31:24 PM EDT
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Just leave your phones at home strapped to your dog.
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:34:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Since Snowden let the cat out of the bag, I can't believe there are still people around who don't realize that their cell phones are ratting them out 24/7, and have been for about twenty five years. First time I saw it in action, in 1994 (and this was pre-GPS) was a drug dealer who drove from New York to Maryland to kill a Maryland state trooper who had busted him on the highway. His phone provided a breadcrumb trail all the way from his house to the trooper's house and back, just using the cell phone towers he pinged off of. Now, today? Forget about it. Reminds of a hand full of years ago, trying to track down a bank robber. FBI came in to help, some scraggly bearded guy driving a mini van with one of those roof top travel cases. It housed some type of device that let him use cell towers to ping the bad guys phone with in like 300 meters. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:36:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's no pleasure journal thread but it has potential. I'm not faulting you for asking. There have been a couple of these that have popped up recently. They generally draw responses from about three kinds of people: 1- People that kinda know what they are talking about 2- People that have no clue what the fuck they are talking about (but watched a conspiracy video on youtube 7 years ago) 3- People that probably actually wear hats made out of aluminum foil (think Chuck Mcgill from Better Call Saul) |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:47:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: Okay , so they accounted for the DC Capitol adventurers with their cell phones pinging off towers? So what do we do, shove em in potato chip bags? For academic purposes of course. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:51:49 PM EDT
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Leave your phone at home if you can. If not:
Do not trust any switch or setting to stop all transmissions. You never know what sodtware does for sure. Turn the phone off and place in a faraday cage. I would not trust a flexible bag to attenuate all transmissions, even if it was advertized as a faraday cage. I would prefer a solid highly conductive metal container with an airtight lid that is also made of a highly conductive metal. The seal must be very tight and metal on metal. If you cannot obtain a tight seal between the lid and the container, then use a highly conductive gasket. If I had a phone with a removable battery, I would remove the battery and place the phone in a faraday cage, just in case there is an internal, non-removable battery that you don't know about. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:11:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDaaaaaaaaam! Go be rich someplace else.
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:14:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: don't carry a phone period. As the case may be. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:22:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Daaaaaaaaam! Go be rich someplace else. Quote HistoryQuoted: Daaaaaaaaam! Go be rich someplace else. It's like $23.00 
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:24:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's like $23.00 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Daaaaaaaaam! Go be rich someplace else. It's like $23.00 Why's the link coming up $52 for me?  |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:26:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why's the link coming up $52 for me? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Daaaaaaaaam! Go be rich someplace else. It's like $23.00 Why's the link coming up $52 for me? I There is a nonwindowed version for $23 |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:32:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really dont know how to make this more simple for people to understand, LEAVE YOUR PHONE HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JFC people, you can actually live without for awhile. How the fuck are you going to live stream with your phone at home?
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:43:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Leave your phone at home if you can. If not: Do not trust any switch or setting to stop all transmissions. You never know what sodtware does for sure. Turn the phone off and place in a faraday cage. I would not trust a flexible bag to attenuate all transmissions, even if it was advertized as a faraday cage. I would prefer a solid highly conductive metal container with an airtight lid that is also made of a highly conductive metal. The seal must be very tight and metal on metal. If you cannot obtain a tight seal between the lid and the container, then use a highly conductive gasket. If I had a phone with a removable battery, I would remove the battery and place the phone in a faraday cage, just in case there is an internal, non-removable battery that you don't know about. I'm curious to see if it works, I have my doubts about a flexible bag myself. I agree a solid box as you described would really be the way to go but this one was fairly inexpensive so I figured I'd it a try |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:08:16 PM EDT
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When you turn off an up to date phone does it still emit a signal? Can it still log anything? Can't remove batteries from most of these now phones and it would be nice to have one to use after arriving wherever.
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:15:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When you turn off an up to date phone does it still emit a signal? Can it still log anything? Can't remove batteries from most of these now phones and it would be nice to have one to use after arriving wherever. Aaaaand just incase you're wondering yes the cameras and mics can be enabled and accessed remotely "even if you have disabled permissions for them" for all your apps "including" the base camera app. The *only* way to prevent this is to alter the hardware (install hard switches) root the OS and disable the device drivers. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:17:46 PM EDT
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I had a faraday bag come in today. Tested it out and it works 100%....even with it right next to the router my phone is completely dark. Might grab another
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:20:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just leave your phones at home strapped to your dog. 
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:21:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: Okay , so they accounted for the DC Capitol adventurers with their cell phones pinging off towers? So what do we do, shove em in potato chip bags? For academic purposes of course. Not just your phone but any 'Smart' device including your Apple watch, FitBit, etc. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:24:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:33:35 PM EDT
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Couldn't it just be wrapped in Aluminum foil?
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:35:29 PM EDT
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Build a Faraday cage.
Wrap your device in several layers of aluminum foil. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:38:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be curious to go into a faraday cage with a spectrum analyzer to see if it completely goes RF silent. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What about "flight mode" ? I'd be curious to go into a faraday cage with a spectrum analyzer to see if it completely goes RF silent. Even if it is how do you know it is not still recording gps data, and then broadcasting it once flight mode is off. Only way to be safe is to leave it at home. Use a burner phone that has never been turned on in the vicinity of your primary phone. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:40:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Couldn't it just be wrapped in Aluminum foil? This? |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:40:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had a faraday bag come in today. Tested it out and it works 100%....even with it right next to the router my phone is completely dark. Might grab another May not work on bluetooth. I don't have the data but a old forensics partner has tested a "bag" he says it does not stop bluetooth. Doesn't make sense but.... And regarding simply turning it off. I just set my Pixel 4 to airplane mode, turned wifi and BT off. Shut down phone for about 4 minutes, then turned it back on. Phone maintained the time (usually obtained from phone network) AND updated temperature reading from a stock homescreen widget. Notification bar also had an icon representing checking for voicemail on for about two seconds. Might be limited to Google spyphones. Might mean nothing, but sure looks like there is either a secondary power source (or it's bifurcated) or some network activity happens on startup regardless of phones airplane mode status. Or it's the phone software just going through the motions and displaying last known data (except the clock). Off, battery out and caged is best anyway. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:42:46 PM EDT
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If you're gonna be doing shit that you don't want tracker, leave your fucking phone at home.
This isn't rocket science. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:43:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why's the link coming up $52 for me? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Daaaaaaaaam! Go be rich someplace else. It's like $23.00 Why's the link coming up $52 for me? Me too. Damn that hyperinflation is already kicking in! |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:45:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: Okay , so they accounted for the DC Capitol adventurers with their cell phones pinging off towers? So what do we do, shove em in potato chip bags? For academic purposes of course. Easy. You leave them at home. The antifas go to a store wearing a mask, buy burner phones with cash, and leave them powered off until they reach their "event". They power them on, use them at the event, then power them off, destroy them, and throw them away before going home. Don't take a powered on smart device to something you don't want to be "seen" at. Especially not one that's tied to your identity in 57 ways. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:45:57 PM EDT
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Faraday bag or not. Remember, the second you open that bag, you are marked. It doesn't matter much to most folks, but if you want to go dark, go DARK.
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:46:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: May not work on bluetooth. I don't have the data but a old forensics partner has tested a "bag" he says it does not stop bluetooth. Doesn't make sense but.... And regarding simply turning it off. I just set my Pixel 4 to airplane mode, turned wifi and BT off. Shut down phone for about 4 minutes, then turned it back on. Phone maintained the time (usually obtained from phone network) AND updated temperature reading from a stock homescreen widget. Notification bar also had an icon representing checking for voicemail on for about two seconds. Might be limited to Google spyphones. Might mean nothing, but sure looks like there is either a secondary power source (or it's bifurcated) or some network activity happens on startup regardless of phones airplane mode status. Or it's the phone software just going through the motions and displaying last known data (except the clock). Off, battery out and caged is best anyway. It has blocked off everything...wifi, cell service and bluetooth |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:49:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most Android phones are never actually off as long as there is a charge in the batteries. They can be remotely powered up as well. Aaaaand just incase you're wondering yes the cameras and mics can be enabled and accessed remotely "even if you have disabled permissions for them" for all your apps "including" the base camera app. The *only* way to prevent this is to alter the hardware (install hard switches) root the OS and disable the device drivers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When you turn off an up to date phone does it still emit a signal? Can it still log anything? Can't remove batteries from most of these now phones and it would be nice to have one to use after arriving wherever. Aaaaand just incase you're wondering yes the cameras and mics can be enabled and accessed remotely "even if you have disabled permissions for them" for all your apps "including" the base camera app. The *only* way to prevent this is to alter the hardware (install hard switches) root the OS and disable the device drivers. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:55:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be curious to go into a faraday cage with a spectrum analyzer to see if it completely goes RF silent. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What about "flight mode" ? I'd be curious to go into a faraday cage with a spectrum analyzer to see if it completely goes RF silent. You'd have to do your test inside of a Faraday cage to exclude all of the outside signals that you might pickup.  |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:56:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When you turn off an up to date phone does it still emit a signal? Can it still log anything? Can't remove batteries from most of these now phones and it would be nice to have one to use after arriving wherever. People will tell you yes, but fail to cite anything of value. It’s been demonstrated that a phone that’s had malware installed can be shown to track while appearing off. I have yet to have anyone provide evidence that this is possible with a virgin non-compromised phone (iPhone). |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:58:34 PM EDT
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Anyone curious as to why Antifa turds who were arrested had burners with nothing on them and important numbers written on their arms?
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:59:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Leave your phone at home if you can. If not: Do not trust any switch or setting to stop all transmissions. You never know what sodtware does for sure. Turn the phone off and place in a faraday cage. I would not trust a flexible bag to attenuate all transmissions, even if it was advertized as a faraday cage. I would prefer a solid highly conductive metal container with an airtight lid that is also made of a highly conductive metal. The seal must be very tight and metal on metal. If you cannot obtain a tight seal between the lid and the container, then use a highly conductive gasket. If I had a phone with a removable battery, I would remove the battery and place the phone in a faraday cage, just in case there is an internal, non-removable battery that you don't know about. There are metal tapes that you can use to seal up the cracks. 
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:02:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When you turn off an up to date phone does it still emit a signal? Can it still log anything? Can't remove batteries from most of these now phones and it would be nice to have one to use after arriving wherever. Most of the phones that you could remove the battery also had a 2ndary battery that kept things like the clock running, as well as who knows what else. A phone turned off still has a small amount of activity. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:08:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: May not work on bluetooth. I don't have the data but a old forensics partner has tested a "bag" he says it does not stop bluetooth. Doesn't make sense but.... And regarding simply turning it off. I just set my Pixel 4 to airplane mode, turned wifi and BT off. Shut down phone for about 4 minutes, then turned it back on. Phone maintained the time (usually obtained from phone network) AND updated temperature reading from a stock homescreen widget. Notification bar also had an icon representing checking for voicemail on for about two seconds. Might be limited to Google spyphones. Might mean nothing, but sure looks like there is either a secondary power source (or it's bifurcated) or some network activity happens on startup regardless of phones airplane mode status. Or it's the phone software just going through the motions and displaying last known data (except the clock). Off, battery out and caged is best anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I had a faraday bag come in today. Tested it out and it works 100%....even with it right next to the router my phone is completely dark. Might grab another May not work on bluetooth. I don't have the data but a old forensics partner has tested a "bag" he says it does not stop bluetooth. Doesn't make sense but.... And regarding simply turning it off. I just set my Pixel 4 to airplane mode, turned wifi and BT off. Shut down phone for about 4 minutes, then turned it back on. Phone maintained the time (usually obtained from phone network) AND updated temperature reading from a stock homescreen widget. Notification bar also had an icon representing checking for voicemail on for about two seconds. Might be limited to Google spyphones. Might mean nothing, but sure looks like there is either a secondary power source (or it's bifurcated) or some network activity happens on startup regardless of phones airplane mode status. Or it's the phone software just going through the motions and displaying last known data (except the clock). Off, battery out and caged is best anyway. On Most Modern electronics, the clock will still be drawing a small amount of power from the main battery and the circuits to turn on the device will draw a small amount of current. There might also be a capacitor or other small power source to keep the clock going for when the battery is out.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:12:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone curious as to why Antifa turds who were arrested had burners with nothing on them and important numbers written on their arms? IIRC, the numbers on the arms of AntiFa were the numbers of lawyers that would help them if arrested. The lawyers didn't care if they were outed because they would have to go to the jail to bail out the AntiFa. What should have been done was to trace the activities of those lawyers to find the money people behind AntiFa.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:27:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IIRC, the numbers on the arms of AntiFa were the numbers of lawyers that would help them if arrested. The lawyers didn't care if they were outed because they would have to go to the jail to bail out the AntiFa. What should have been done was to trace the activities of those lawyers to find the money people behind AntiFa. The important part is that the phones had never been turned on outside that time and that place. You can't build a timeline on it. A few hours ago I was browsing a map of the Capitol based on videos posted to Parler where they're tying accounts to people to times and places. Not just the poster but everyone in the video. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 12:29:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Leave your phone at home if you can. If not: Do not trust any switch or setting to stop all transmissions. You never know what sodtware does for sure. Turn the phone off and place in a faraday cage. I would not trust a flexible bag to attenuate all transmissions, even if it was advertized as a faraday cage. I would prefer a solid highly conductive metal container with an airtight lid that is also made of a highly conductive metal. The seal must be very tight and metal on metal. If you cannot obtain a tight seal between the lid and the container, then use a highly conductive gasket. If I had a phone with a removable battery, I would remove the battery and place the phone in a faraday cage, just in case there is an internal, non-removable battery that you don't know about. I have done experiments with 30 cal ammo cans and they block everything. Can't call in, can't call out. Nothing. I keep my amateur handsets, chargers, and such in one to protect from EMP. |
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