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Posted: 6/4/2023 10:18:55 AM EDT
is this guy serious? or, is this just another "Trial Balloon" floated by the globalist/NWO/WHO evil combo for the anti-gun dupes?
 Cardinal Tells Americans To Voluntarily Give Up 2nd Amendment Rights  ...seems like this idea was tried before: "COMRADES! Give up Your Weapons!"   Guns of The Vatican |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 10:35:24 AM EDT
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LOL! Is the Catholic Church still a thing after it put a commie pope in the Vatican and has been promoting woke values?
If God decides to audit that organization, there will be a massive clean up. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 10:40:58 AM EDT
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The Jesuit priest that trained my dads group during the 1956 Hungarian revolution was a Waffen SS guy who went into the seminary after the war.
Trained my father and his group on the DP28, PPSH41, Mosin, Mauser, grenades, PPSH43, and various other platforms. My current residing priest at my church in Salem, Oregon is a former combat medic, fireman, and then went into the army chaplain and then the seminary. He actually carries a gun and a knife (g19 and Benchmade AFO). Great guy and he says to ignore these people. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 10:42:04 AM EDT
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It's the typical leftist, communist, Faustian bargain. Surrender your rights, freedoms, and essential liberties to the government-god and the government-god will bring you safety and security. Except that it never actually plays out that way. Ever.
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Posted: 6/4/2023 11:13:20 AM EDT
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To be fair, there are plenty of leftist protestant leaders of churches that also don't understand the second amendment
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Posted: 6/4/2023 11:18:46 AM EDT
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Hey cardinal, give up your 1A rights first.
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Posted: 6/4/2023 11:59:23 AM EDT
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Unfortunately, I think most clergy within the Christian fold are left leaning. And probably look at the 2nd amendment with suspicion.
There are of course some fine exceptions, however IMO the clergy may suffer from a myopic view that is similar to that of too many academics. Most have spent a great deal of time in educational institutions. Also, in many cases clergy do not have to wrestle with the same market forces that those in the private sector must contend with. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 1:31:44 PM EDT
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Quoted: is this guy serious? or, is this just another "Trial Balloon" floated by the globalist/NWO/WHO evil combo for the anti-gun dupes?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oHCziuAXB0https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-those-who-beat-their-swords-into-plowshares-usually-end-up-plowing-for-those-who-kept-benjamin-franklin-82-65-74.jpg ...seems like this idea was tried before: "COMRADES! Give up Your Weapons!" { https://dcdirtylaundry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/poster_hand_over_weapons1.jpg https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LF_qQqKwBck/VB3GnZiqAhI/AAAAAAAADAc/Z22GolDbRbs/s1600/DeathTollCommunism.jpg Guns of The Vatican LMAO. Of course he's serious. That is Cardinal "nighty nite baby" [  ]/images/smilies/icon_smile_kisses.gif[/img]]
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Posted: 6/4/2023 1:39:35 PM EDT
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The Catholic church enthusiastically protects pedophiles. The present pope thinks pedophilia is a joke. Why should i trust anything the church says, and how can they possibly be virtuous or moral?
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Posted: 6/4/2023 1:48:30 PM EDT
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Baby raping priest vs 18Z50!
Until the church cleans up its act, I decline any and all advice from clergy. I recently had to spend time with the above baby raper! 18Z50 |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 1:58:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey cardinal, give up your 1A rights first. This, and pay some tax, of some kind. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 2:01:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Catholic church enthusiastically protects pedophiles. The present pope thinks pedophilia is a joke. Why should i trust anything the church says, and how can they possibly be virtuous or moral? >80% of the victims of priestly sexual abuse were post-pubescent males. While any sexual abuse is evil and awful, it's important to understand what the specific issue is in order to correct it. The Catholic Church does not have a pedophile priest problem. The Catholic Church has a homosexual priest problem. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 2:22:22 PM EDT
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The Cardinal should lead by example and show us how easy it can be to give up a constitutionally guaranteed right by giving up his freedom of religion. After he gives up freedom of religion and campaigns to have freedom of religion removed from the constitution, I'll think maybe he is sincere. Until then he can piss off.
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Posted: 6/4/2023 2:41:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's the typical leftist, communist, Faustian bargain. Surrender your rights, freedoms, and essential liberties to the government-god and the government-god will bring you safety and security. Except that it never actually plays out that way. Ever. The amount of Catholic leadership pushing these ideas openly is disgusting and have driven many away from the church (including myself and my family). Worse yet, is sitting in church and watching the significant number of people nodding along in agreement. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 3:07:02 PM EDT
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I'm not remotely interested in going back to the world that made the English establish colonies here. Nope. Not one bit interested.
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Posted: 6/4/2023 3:43:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unfortunately, I think most clergy within the Christian fold are left leaning. And probably look at the 2nd amendment with suspicion. There are of course some fine exceptions, however IMO the clergy may suffer from a myopic view that is similar to that of too many academics. Most have spent a great deal of time in educational institutions. Also, in many cases clergy do not have to wrestle with the same market forces that those in the private sector must contend with. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 4:48:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Communism is an ideology of absolute governmental power and control over the people. It is the diametric opposite of a constitutional republic. Under communism, the most important thing of all is the complete inability of the people to fight back. Gun ownership gives the people the ability to fight back, at least in theory. That's why the 2A is so viciously singled out among all of the rights and essential liberties that we possess as Americans. The democrat-communists have plans for us all. Plans that we are not going to like, and they know it. They need to make sure that when they turn the oppression to 11, everyone is helpless to stop them. They are not going to stop trying to take away all of our rights, starting with the 2A. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Unfortunately, I think most clergy within the Christian fold are left leaning. And probably look at the 2nd amendment with suspicion. There are of course some fine exceptions, however IMO the clergy may suffer from a myopic view that is similar to that of too many academics. Most have spent a great deal of time in educational institutions. Also, in many cases clergy do not have to wrestle with the same market forces that those in the private sector must contend with. I totally agree. After the 2020 presidential "election" outcome, I told my wife that the Democrat Party will not stop until America resembles the Soviet Union of the 1960s-1970s. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 5:22:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I totally agree. After the 2020 presidential "election" outcome, I told my wife that the Democrat Party will not stop until America resembles the Soviet Union of the 1960s-1970s. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 5:59:00 PM EDT
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Dear Cardinal:
"I ain't worried about the deer..." BNA Catholic Since 1947 Gunowner since 1956 
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Posted: 6/4/2023 8:15:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Communism is an ideology of absolute governmental power and control over the people. It is the diametric opposite of a constitutional republic. Under communism, the most important thing of all is the complete inability of the people to fight back. Gun ownership gives the people the ability to fight back, at least in theory. That's why the 2A is so viciously singled out among all of the rights and essential liberties that we possess as Americans. The democrat-communists have plans for us all. Plans that we are not going to like, and they know it. They need to make sure that when they turn the oppression to 11, everyone is helpless to stop them. They are not going to stop trying to take away all of our rights, starting with the 2A. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Unfortunately, I think most clergy within the Christian fold are left leaning. And probably look at the 2nd amendment with suspicion. There are of course some fine exceptions, however IMO the clergy may suffer from a myopic view that is similar to that of too many academics. Most have spent a great deal of time in educational institutions. Also, in many cases clergy do not have to wrestle with the same market forces that those in the private sector must contend with. @TheLASwamp Quoting this again because it is well said and glossed over too much. I am frustrated daily how "we" allow the 2nd amendment to be framed into this self-defense (of the home or car or some other small defined condition) argument. The 2nd is soooo much more than that and it needs to be part of the argument. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 9:51:13 PM EDT
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Years ago the United Methodist Church took the position that women had the Christian duty to submit to a rapist and not defend herself because of the physical harm she might do to the rapist if she shot him. My wife and I attended a UMC church that was pastored by the former dean of the school of theology I attended. While that congregation was traditional at that time and has since split from the heretical UMC, I gave the imperial edict that none of our tithes would go anywhere outside of the church we attended, and I earmarked them for that church.
When a pastor or someone higher within a church gives an opinion such as what this cardinal gave, they have just become another in the long list of ministers whose credibility in all matters has been discounted. If someone takes a stand that is so blatantly wrongheaded, how can I trust anything they might say about something eternal? Stupid metastasizes. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 10:22:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To be fair, there are plenty of leftist protestant leaders of churches that also don't understand the second amendment "A cardinal should know better!" - Fangorn |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 11:14:12 PM EDT
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Dear "Cardinal"
 The reason many of the branches of my family tree moved to this place over the last 400 years was because of [COC Violation] like you. Go [COC Ciolation] yourself with your hat and that stick you cary.Signed - A protestant 
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Posted: 6/5/2023 8:04:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dear "Cardinal" The reason many of the branches of my family tree moved to this place over the last 400 years was because of [COC Violation] like you. Go [COC Ciolation] yourself with your hat and that stick you cary.Signed - A protestant What country/countries did they leave? |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 9:35:34 AM EDT
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Sorry Cardinal, that's gonna be a no from me, dawg.
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Posted: 6/5/2023 9:56:44 AM EDT
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Child molesters preaching about right & wrong...
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Posted: 6/5/2023 10:11:48 AM EDT
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Since, as a good Christian I would never consider murdering anyone, no.
I will make a deal, I will strongly consider it when the Pope gives up his Swiss Guard. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 2:06:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not remotely interested in going back to the world that made the English establish colonies here. Nope. Not one bit interested. We're in it right now, and more or less will be until God returns to clean things up. Go to the source of all that goes on in this world and you will see a continuing spiritual battle. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 8:00:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @TheLASwamp Quoting this again because it is well said and glossed over too much. I am frustrated daily how "we" allow the 2nd amendment to be framed into this self-defense (of the home or car or some other small defined condition) argument. The 2nd is soooo much more than that and it needs to be part of the argument. The democrats love to force everyone to pick a side. This will be no different. If you're with them, you will surrender your guns and whatever rights you have left. Get on your knees and kiss the ring. If you're not with them, you will be labeled a domestic terrorist, an enemy of The Party, and a threat to the regime. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 8:07:46 PM EDT
[#29]
Sorry cardinal dude, I need them to protect my kids against you and your ilk.
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Posted: 6/6/2023 11:37:57 AM EDT
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Tobin is a known leftist.
He'll whistle a different tune once he's no longer useful and the left declares Cardinal hunting season is open. Quick question: how many people in this thread talking about CSA send their kids to public school? |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 11:44:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tobin is a known leftist. He'll whistle a different tune once he's no longer useful and the left declares Cardinal hunting season is open. Quick question: how many people in this thread talking about CSA send their kids to public school? Homeschool here |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:23:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tobin is a known leftist. He'll whistle a different tune once he's no longer useful and the left declares Cardinal hunting season is open. Quick question: how many people in this thread talking about CSA send their kids to public school? My wife and I sent our kids to parochial schools, k-12. Our grand kids go to parochial school as well, and plan to go to one of the local Catholic high schools. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:57:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The democrats love to force everyone to pick a side. This will be no different. If you're with them, you will surrender your guns and whatever rights you have left. Get on your knees and kiss the ring. If you're not with them, you will be labeled a domestic terrorist, an enemy of The Party, and a threat to the regime. Lemme guess...they're going to send around social workers to do the confiscating. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 7:11:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lemme guess...they're going to send around social workers to do the confiscating. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:52:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lemme guess...they're going to send around social workers to do the confiscating. Didn't have to point guns at anyone to get them to take a useless vaccine... |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 9:15:00 PM EDT
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Trad Caths
"Si vis pacem, para bellum" |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 9:33:55 PM EDT
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My Priest was a Chaplan's Assistant during the GWOT and later went to Seminary after he got out. He is big on being armed and laughs at the Cardinal.
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Posted: 6/7/2023 6:04:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't have to point guns at anyone to get them to take a useless vaccine... |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 6:31:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trad Caths "Si vis pacem, para bellum" Bellum est, Deus vult |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 7:25:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't have to point guns at anyone to get them to take a useless vaccine... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lemme guess...they're going to send around social workers to do the confiscating. Didn't have to point guns at anyone to get them to take a useless vaccine...  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 8:25:42 PM EDT
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LCMS had some kerfuffel recently about inclusion of a position paper saying 2a is unbiblical. I see a lot in church leadership a lack of understanding regarding American civics. There is no Caesar in the USA. No earthly king. The government exists only by authorization of the people, only derives powers they grant it, and receives no just power the people do not have themselves. Nor is it permitted to lord over them and deny them rights to be who they are, preserve their lives through labor, guard and defend their lives and property particularly where no magistrate can return to them anything lost by violence (protect themselves from serious injury or death and other heinous crimes (like kidnapping or arson as examples).
All too often they seem to imagine we still live under a medieval of king or empire of nobles. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 8:37:37 PM EDT
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Listen to the people that installed a communist as Pope.
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Posted: 7/13/2023 11:24:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Jesuit priest that trained my dads group during the 1956 Hungarian revolution was a Waffen SS guy who went into the seminary after the war. Trained my father and his group on the DP28, PPSH41, Mosin, Mauser, grenades, PPSH43, and various other platforms. My current residing priest at my church in Salem, Oregon is a former combat medic, fireman, and then went into the army chaplain and then the seminary. He actually carries a gun and a knife (g19 and Benchmade AFO). Great guy and he says to ignore these people. Have you ever heard of MoH recipient Servant of God Fr Capadanno?  Attached File Attached FileFr Vincent Capodanno |
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