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Posted: 2/25/2021 12:44:10 PM EDT
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So we can hear what everyone is saying on the multiple videos that day, but for some magic reason we can't hear that shooter screaming at the top of his lungs for the Ashli lady to stand back?
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Posted: 2/25/2021 12:53:11 PM EDT
[#2]
“At this point, what difference does it make?”
They’re never going to charge him. He’ll get an award from Biden soon. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 12:56:19 PM EDT
[#3]
I feel like that is something we would hear in the video of him shooting her...
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:01:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “At this point, what difference does it make?” They’re never going to charge him. He’ll get an award from Biden soon. I don't believe he was afraid for even a second. He acted simply to secure his future with the new regime. Nothing more than a calculated act of murder. I wouldn't be surprised if he was instructed ahead of time to do it. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:02:45 PM EDT
[#5]
maybe the armed guy(police) right behind her could verify?
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:03:24 PM EDT
[#6]
The last Babbitt thread got locked.
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:05:08 PM EDT
[#7]
BS. How does one give commands, aim a gun and put on a mask at the same time?
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:05:33 PM EDT
[#8]
I can only hope that he as the opportunity to prove it in court. I don’t know that the District of Columbia has a shot on sight for trespassing.
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:07:21 PM EDT
[#9]
We still don't know his name though!
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:09:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: So we can hear what everyone is saying on the multiple videos that day, but for some magic reason we can't hear that shooter screaming at the top of his lungs for the Ashli lady to stand back?  Seinfeld: The Low Talker (Clip) | TBS |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:15:50 PM EDT
[#11]
A verbal warning doesn't make a bad shot a good one.
A lack of a verbal warning doesn't make a good shot a bad one. The act stands on its own. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:17:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can only hope that he as the opportunity to prove it in court. I don’t know that the District of Columbia has a shot on sight for trespassing. Do the Feds have a Castle doctrine??? |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:19:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do the Feds have a Castle doctrine??? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can only hope that he as the opportunity to prove it in court. I don’t know that the District of Columbia has a shot on sight for trespassing. Do the Feds have a Castle doctrine??? I guess they do. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:19:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do the Feds have a Castle doctrine??? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can only hope that he as the opportunity to prove it in court. I don’t know that the District of Columbia has a shot on sight for trespassing. Do the Feds have a Castle doctrine??? Yeah, it's called "Show up to DC supporting Trump and we'll shoot you." |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:21:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A verbal warning doesn't make a bad shot a good one. A lack of a verbal warning doesn't make a good shot a bad one. The act stands on its own. However saying you did something if you didnt... that would say a lot. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:22:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We still don't know his name though! Coc#1 |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:22:26 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: However saying you did something if you didnt... that would say a lot. We really have no way of knowing whether he did or didn't. To speculate one way or the other is foolish. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:23:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't believe he was afraid for even a second. He acted simply to secure his future with the new regime. Nothing more than a calculated act of murder. I wouldn't be surprised if he was instructed ahead of time to do it. He stepped closer to get a better shot. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:23:29 PM EDT
[#19]
Racializing will not be allowed in this thread
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:23:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We really have no way of knowing whether he did or didn't. To speculate one way or the other is foolish. You're going to tell me there isnt a camera on that door? |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:23:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't believe he was afraid for even a second. He acted simply to secure his future with the new regime. Nothing more than a calculated act of murder. I wouldn't be surprised if he was instructed ahead of time to do it. Hey look the stupidest shit I have read on the entire net today, but the day is early. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:24:44 PM EDT
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I’m actually impressed he didn’t shoot one of his guys first.
His name will be outted soon. Until then we have his face. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:26:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're going to tell me there isnt a camera on that door? This may seem strange to the TV studio in your pocket generation, but most building security cameras don't have audio and the guy was wearing a mask. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:27:55 PM EDT
[#24]
I still wonder if behind that door was VPOTUS, the Speaker etc...
Then again if VPOTUS was nearby, it would have been the USSS around him, not Capitol cops. Maybe Queen Nancy was sequestered somewhere behind that door and she straight up gave the order "anybody comes through there and you shoot them". |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:28:58 PM EDT
[#25]
The real story: an unarmed female veteran was shot. These facts stand on their own.
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:29:53 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I still wonder if behind that door was VPOTUS, the Speaker etc... Then again if VPOTUS was nearby, it would have been the USSS around him, not Capitol cops. Maybe Queen Nancy was sequestered somewhere behind that door and she straight up gave the order "anybody comes through there and you shoot them". I actually don't doubt those were his orders. Alamo situation in a lockdown with hostiles beyond that door. Speculation on my part, but I could easily see it. Back to my question about Castle doctrine. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:30:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey look the stupidest shit I have read on the entire net today, but the day is early. If I am wrong why did he only fire one shot? Lots of people on the other side of that door. If I was in fear for my life from an angry mob I would have run my gun to slide lock. Yet he steps up takes one shot and basically disappeared we can't even get his name. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:31:00 PM EDT
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People inside the room were scared and they saw this as the last line of defense from the mob. Nobody is going prosecute him for shooting somebody who smashed through a barricade to come through, armed or not.
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:31:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I still wonder if behind that door was VPOTUS, the Speaker etc... Then again if VPOTUS was nearby, it would have been the USSS around him, not Capitol cops. Maybe Queen Nancy was sequestered somewhere behind that door and she straight up gave the order "anybody comes through there and you shoot them". The Vice President was on the Senate side. This occurred on the House side. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:32:12 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If I am wrong why did he only fire one shot? Lots of people on the other side of that door. If I was in fear for my life from an angry mob I would have run my gun to slide lock. Yet he steps up takes one shot and basically disappeared we can't even get his name. Uh, that's not hard to explain, she's the only one that breached the door, and no one else tried to come through. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:32:13 PM EDT
[#31]
when does this thread get locked?
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:32:31 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We still don't know his name though! And we never will |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:32:45 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I actually don't doubt those were his orders. Alamo situation in a lockdown with hostiles beyond that door. Speculation on my part, but I could easily see it. Back to my question about Castle doctrine. So you’re saying you would most likely have found reason to shoot the Mexican/Trumpist? |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:33:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do the Feds have a Castle doctrine??? It's a shame that it's not their castle tho. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:33:54 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: when does this thread get locked? When people start racializing, making express or veiled threats, or too many Coc violations to make it worth the time to edit and warn individual offenders. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:34:32 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't believe he was afraid for even a second. He acted simply to secure his future with the new regime. Nothing more than a calculated act of murder. I wouldn't be surprised if he was instructed ahead of time to do it. He was scared shitless. You can see it in the way his pistol is shaking in that one video. Dude was terrified. Doesn't make it justified. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:34:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you’re saying you would have shot her? I'm saying I wasn't there, you were not there and we have no idea what his particular orders were at this point. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:35:19 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: when does this thread get locked? Soon I'm guessing. Its going about as well as previous ones, with the same players |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:35:27 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I actually don't doubt those were his orders. Alamo situation in a lockdown with hostiles beyond that door. Speculation on my part, but I could easily see it. Back to my question about Castle doctrine. Police don’t have a duty to retreat. You know that. And orders don’t take precedence over the law or even written policy. You know that too. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:37:07 PM EDT
[#40]
In before 1,4,7.
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:37:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a shame that it's not their castle tho. Case law may well consider it as such beyond that point. An example, a mob floods in to loot stop and shop. Staff flees into a back office not open to the public. Mob tries to breach the door and the manager fires to protect his employees from the perceived threat. It is very likely in most castle doctrine states that he could claim this and it would hold up. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:37:34 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm saying I wasn't there, you were not there and we have no idea what his particular orders were at this point. It’s a good thing then that we have oodles of case law that confirm the standard for a use of force is objective rather than subjective reasonableness. And that orders can’t replace laws. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:38:31 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Police don’t have a duty to retreat. You know that. And orders don’t take precedence over the law or even written policy. You know that too. See Castle doctrine discussion. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:39:05 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Case law may well consider it as such beyond that point. An example, a mob floods in to loot stop and shop. Staff flees into a back office not open to the public. Mob tries to breach the door and the manager fires to protect his employees from the perceived threat. It is very likely in most castle doctrine states that he could claim this and it would hold up. Unless the back office also has a back door, that’s not even close to a castle doctrine case. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:39:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I still wonder if behind that door was VPOTUS, the Speaker etc... Then again if VPOTUS was nearby, it would have been the USSS around him, not Capitol cops. Maybe Queen Nancy was sequestered somewhere behind that door and she straight up gave the order "anybody comes through there and you shoot them". The window she was entering went into a hallway. It wasn't an office and there weren't any VIP's nearby. There were multiple other parties in the hallway watching and none of them appeared to be alarmed or fearful about the situation. The shooter approached quickly from the side and may not have even been visible to Ashli before the shot. This is all on video and having watched it several times I do not hear any commands from the shooter (doesn't mean he didn't give any). I'm still perplexed by the series or events. There are cops in tac gear directly behind Ashli when she is shot who just stand there unconcerned about the whole thing. It's hard to see but no one appears to make any contact with the shooter after that point (at least on camera) or try to figure out what's going on. They don't appear to give two fucks about the unarmed woman bleeding out at their feet
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:39:49 PM EDT
[#46]
Is racializing a word?
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:40:02 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In before 1,4,7.
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:40:15 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: See Castle doctrine discussion. Castle doctrine removes the duty to retreat. It does not grant ANY additional authority to use force. Also, law enforcement doesn’t have a duty to retreat. These are all distractions. |
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:40:19 PM EDT
[#49]
Nevermind. That piece of shit isn't worth it.
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Posted: 2/25/2021 1:41:24 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He was scared shitless. You can see it in the way his pistol is shaking in that one video. Dude was terrified. Doesn't make it justified. No, adrenaline dump from his decision to mirder someone. |
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