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Posted: 5/15/2019 4:57:19 PM EDT
A member filed an open records request asking the school for all email communications between the school and Moms Demand Action and the Brady Campaign between 5/7 and 5/8 (two days and a narrow search). STEM Bookeeper accidentally responded to the person who sent the request asking what she should do (meant for head of the school). Fast forward to yesterday, STEM says they’ll do the request, but need 7 hours of staff time (at $30/hr) and 26 hours of counsel review time (at $155/hr) Totallly over $4000 to have it done. In two days it is near impossible for communications between the school and MDA/Brady Campaign to hit 1GB of data (that’s like 70,000 e-mails). They’re hiding something. More here
https://ilwd4cr.home.blog/2019/05/14/stem-school-colorado-foia-in-process-and-responses/ And some pics in case you don’t want to click the link 
We all know that there was an outrage that the vigil turned into a political rally, but why are they protecting these groups? What else is there? The mission is to make it known they’re trying to price this out of reach in order for it to “go away”. Media has been notified and so has some Colorado groups that don’t stand for this garbage. |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:01:20 PM EDT
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He doesn’t need a fire mission. He needs a friendly lawyer.
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:03:52 PM EDT
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Keep digging.
That is an unreasonable reply to a FOIA/CORA request. Multi-thousand dollars?!!? |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:07:00 PM EDT
[#3]
Shit, I’ll chip in $40
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:10:26 PM EDT
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He doesn’t need a fire mission. He needs a friendly lawyer. |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:11:52 PM EDT
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Shit, I’ll chip in $40 |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:14:00 PM EDT
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geez, search email by sender, search by receiver, and check the physical mail file for two days.
A couple of hours, maximum. |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:14:46 PM EDT
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They are hiding their misdeeds. get em. if it comes down to $, I'll chip in.
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:15:13 PM EDT
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Shit, I’ll chip in $40 |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:23:30 PM EDT
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I'm not sure about Colorado, but in Wisconsin we (governmental offices and bodies) are required to have a document access policy that spells out the fees. They also must be reasonable and in-line with State Statutes.
This policy would have to be approved by whatever governmental body oversees the school. In our case it is $10/hr and $.25/copy(page). |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:25:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is entirely unacceptable that the people are being charged for public records that are ultimately the property of the people. The people already paid, and continue to pay, for those public documents and the morans who create them. They should call upon the school to pay back the cost of their time colluding with the groups. |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:25:52 PM EDT
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Where do I send money?
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:27:04 PM EDT
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I'm not sure about Colorado, but in Wisconsin we (governmental offices and bodies) are required to have a document access policy that spells out the fees. They also must be reasonable and in-line with State Statutes. This policy would have to be approved by whatever governmental body oversees the school. In our case it is $10/hr and $.25/copy(page). |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:27:56 PM EDT
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Where do I send money? |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:28:53 PM EDT
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Firemission is probably not a great term to use but...
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:31:16 PM EDT
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Firemission is probably not a great term to use but... |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:33:55 PM EDT
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Could it be because all the students have computer/internet access and the request was not for just school employees?
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:35:11 PM EDT
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CO states $30/hr max for staff and $30/hr for lawyers, which would bring the cost to $910. Also, copies not needed as a PDF (digital) was requested (one way around the copy fee in many cases). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not sure about Colorado, but in Wisconsin we (governmental offices and bodies) are required to have a document access policy that spells out the fees. They also must be reasonable and in-line with State Statutes. This policy would have to be approved by whatever governmental body oversees the school. In our case it is $10/hr and $.25/copy(page). |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:36:25 PM EDT
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Go post about your problem on the chans
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:37:01 PM EDT
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Could it be because all the students have computer/internet access and the request was not for just school employees? |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:38:30 PM EDT
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Go post about your problem on the chans |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:39:28 PM EDT
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Go post about your problem on the chans As well as quoting statute to them |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:50:54 PM EDT
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https://8ch.net/pol/res/13280172.html
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:53:15 PM EDT
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Now that’s a good idea! Maybe soon. Gotta ask my partners about that Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Go post about your problem on the chans |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:57:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just be aware it's Pandora's box. Fuck it All they had to do was fulfill a simple request that we already mostly know the details about. They helped open pandora’s box by pulling this crap |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 6:02:40 PM EDT
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They are busy deleting and shredding as we speak. They might even wipe the server with a cloth.
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Posted: 5/15/2019 6:07:21 PM EDT
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I'll throw some cash towards this...$900 bucks for $30/$30 isn't much, $4K while unreasonable, isn't some crazy amount either. GD should do a Go Fund Me and we can hit that in 10-20min. I would like to see this through, and lift the cover off how both of those groups approach the school and of course how the school administration responded to their overtures.
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Posted: 5/15/2019 6:07:58 PM EDT
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They are busy deleting and shredding as we speak. They might even wipe the server with a cloth. |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 6:09:25 PM EDT
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I'm in for $40.
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Posted: 5/15/2019 6:10:10 PM EDT
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Now that’s a good idea! Maybe soon. Gotta ask my partners about that Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Go post about your problem on the chans #NotYourPersonalArmy |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 6:10:50 PM EDT
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I'll throw some cash towards this...$900 bucks for $30/$30 isn't much, $4K while unreasonable, isn't some crazy amount either. GD should do a Go Fund Me and we can hit that in 10-20min. I would like to see this through, and lift the cover off how both of those groups approach the school and of course how the school administration responded to their overtures. Should Nolo be summoned? |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 6:12:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't do that. #NotYourPersonalArmy |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 6:14:31 PM EDT
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I'll throw some cash towards this...$900 bucks for $30/$30 isn't much, $4K while unreasonable, isn't some crazy amount either. GD should do a Go Fund Me and we can hit that in 10-20min. I would like to see this through, and lift the cover off how both of those groups approach the school and of course how the school administration responded to their overtures. 
Pics in that email are these (obtained from a local) 
Article linked is this https://highlandsranchherald.net/stories/letter-to-the-community-from-one-of-the-events-organizers,280541 It’s crystal clear what we’re looking for, and it’s not a gig of data and won’t require hours to retrieve. We know so it’s time to stop playing games (and a Douglas County teacher my be the main point of contact. Whoops). As to money, not going that route unless no other option |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 6:15:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't do that. #NotYourPersonalArmy |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 6:20:09 PM EDT
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Outside counsel cost is probably not allowable for you to bear, check the law. Most FOIA analogs are limited to reproduction costs and wages if they are excessive, reviewing 2 days of emails from an identified group is not excessive.
Kharn |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 6:25:10 PM EDT
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Outside counsel cost is probably not allowable for you to bear, check the law. Most FOIA analogs are limited to reproduction costs and wages if they are excessive, reviewing 2 days of emails from an identified group is not excessive. Kharn 
1. I doubt it’s even 20 pages (MSD/Broward e-mails after Parkland were only 80) http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Broward-Schools-FOIA-full-production-2018.pdf 2. They want $155/hr, law says $30/hr (but that’s not even required, so why use a lawyer?...........) |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 6:30:27 PM EDT
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Trying to hide something
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Posted: 5/15/2019 6:46:54 PM EDT
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They are busy deleting and shredding as we speak. They might even wipe the server with a cloth. |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 6:48:58 PM EDT
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Interesting
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Posted: 5/15/2019 6:51:12 PM EDT
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So what are we actually getting at here?
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Posted: 5/15/2019 7:03:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'll throw some cash towards this...$900 bucks for $30/$30 isn't much, $4K while unreasonable, isn't some crazy amount either. GD should do a Go Fund Me and we can hit that in 10-20min. I would like to see this through, and lift the cover off how both of those groups approach the school and of course how the school administration responded to their overtures. |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 7:05:46 PM EDT
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Correct. Here’s CO law even http://i.imgur.com/tSHXNyrl.jpg 1. I doubt it’s even 20 pages (MSD/Broward e-mails after Parkland were only 80) http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Broward-Schools-FOIA-full-production-2018.pdf 2. They want $155/hr, law says $30/hr (but that’s not even required, so why use a lawyer?...........) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Outside counsel cost is probably not allowable for you to bear, check the law. Most FOIA analogs are limited to reproduction costs and wages if they are excessive, reviewing 2 days of emails from an identified group is not excessive. Kharn http://i.imgur.com/tSHXNyrl.jpg 1. I doubt it’s even 20 pages (MSD/Broward e-mails after Parkland were only 80) http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Broward-Schools-FOIA-full-production-2018.pdf 2. They want $155/hr, law says $30/hr (but that’s not even required, so why use a lawyer?...........) Kharn |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 7:15:52 PM EDT
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So what are we actually getting at here? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6t8sGIK9IGY&t=46s And this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nGZ4e11-lU8 Should sum it up. It’s holding those who pulled this stunt responsible (Please embed if able to) |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 7:32:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6t8sGIK9IGY&t=46s And this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nGZ4e11-lU8 Should sum it up. It’s holding those who pulled this stunt responsible (Please embed if able to)  Failed To Load Title  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 7:52:40 PM EDT
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Perhaps we need multiple request to tie them up.
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Posted: 5/15/2019 7:55:50 PM EDT
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Thanks :)
Now, the students did not want what happened to happen at the vigil. MDA leader claims she didn’t know it was organized by adults, she thought the students put the whole thing together. Per Brady Campaign “apology”, we know that a teacher in the system is their handler. Per another FOIA done awhile back, the students are coached by their handlers and even answer to them. See here https://ilwd4cr.home.blog/2019/04/12/in-reaponse-to-the-flak-caught-from-yesterdays-release-rep-schneider-shannon-watts-document-especially/ It’s time we turn up the heat on all of this bullshit |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 7:58:25 PM EDT
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Perhaps we need multiple request to tie them up. |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 8:03:46 PM EDT
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If you have to pay, I’m in for $100.
PM me when you need the money. DP |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 8:05:44 PM EDT
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If you have to pay, I’m in for $100. PM me when you need the money. DP |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 8:10:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you (and to everyone offering so far). I’m really hoping the pressure being put on them is enough for them to do the right thing and to stop playing games. It’s a simple/legit request |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 8:12:08 PM EDT
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There isnt a pit deep enough to toss these “people” in.
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