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Posted: 5/1/2019 10:11:37 AM EDT

ATF just answered my FOIA.

Guess what....Not a single crime. Not a single record found.

(Not even their proposed rule they published).

Of course I asked this question back when the DOJ proposed the rule and they waited until they implemented to respond.

The Department of Just-Us indeed.... How are we supposed to believe anything else they tell us given their actions.

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Posted: 5/1/2019 10:13:08 AM EDT

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1st.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:13:34 AM EDT

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Sounds like they blew you off.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:13:47 AM EDT

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Interesting...

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:13:55 AM EDT

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Shocked an oppressive government is oppressing

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:14:05 AM EDT

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Huh....

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:14:19 AM EDT

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Are the Vegas shooting records sealed by court order?

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:14:32 AM EDT

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Interesting

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:14:47 AM EDT

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Interesting

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:14:52 AM EDT

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Tag

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:15:01 AM EDT

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Vegas was a Deep State Bengazhi Style arms deal but I don't think the FBI and CIA will be confirming that any time soon

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:15:07 AM EDT

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It wouldn't atleast appear as a statistic?

Perhaps they just record shotgun/rifle/pistol/revolver/other

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:15:08 AM EDT

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Shocking...

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:15:21 AM EDT

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IO1.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:15:27 AM EDT

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Bumpstock ban was just to set up future bans in the same way.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:16:13 AM EDT

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The Vegas shooting makes me want to believe in conspiracy theories.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:16:17 AM EDT

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WTF?!

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:16:21 AM EDT

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Not surprising. Use every opportunity to grab more power.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:17:17 AM EDT

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This

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:17:20 AM EDT

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It wouldn't atleast appear as a statistic?

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They would have said they had the document but were legally withholding it....So to answer your questions yes. they would have told us about it.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:18:02 AM EDT

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Well this is a twist yet again.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:18:04 AM EDT

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But how can that be???

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:18:06 AM EDT

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Posted: 5/1/2019 10:19:11 AM EDT

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Expected as much.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:19:12 AM EDT

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Posted: 5/1/2019 10:20:08 AM EDT

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In on this

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:20:10 AM EDT

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I don’t think the document you posted in any way reflects your thread title.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:20:33 AM EDT

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Trust is broken

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:20:34 AM EDT

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ATF did not say bump stocks weren't used, they blew you off.

You need to be very specific in such a FOIA request.

I suggest researching the Mandalay Bay shooting documents, find specific references to statements attributable to ATF's assessment of the firearms used that had bump stocks attached, and refile this request quoting each ATF statement, and providing the make, model, serial number, type and caliber of the guns fitted with bump stocks.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:20:44 AM EDT

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This guy gets it

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:20:46 AM EDT

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Yes they were.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:21:15 AM EDT

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Well, well, well.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:21:29 AM EDT

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lol

Like this should surprise anyone.

government is evil

That is why it should be kept small.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:22:07 AM EDT

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Have to criminalize them before we can know if they could be used in a crime.

IE We have to pass the bill so we can see what's in it.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:22:29 AM EDT

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This guy gets it

Neither of you do. Fucking psycho decides he's had enough and wants to go out with a misanthropic bang. Except this time the guy knows what he's doing and has an IQ above a bologna sandwich.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:22:40 AM EDT

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Posted: 5/1/2019 10:23:12 AM EDT

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Agreed

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:23:20 AM EDT

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This

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:23:41 AM EDT

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Yup. Now any future president can simply redefine anything as a "machine gun" and ban it.

Every semi-auto will be banned with the next democrat president. No senate or house needed. Stroke of a pen and that's it.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:23:43 AM EDT

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Exactly.

The letter is just a statement about their record-keeping, and not a statement about whether or not “bump stocks” were accessories mounted on the rifles used in the Las Vegas shooting.

The photographic evidence from the aftermath of the Las Vegas shooting makes it perfectly obvious that bumpstocks were used.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:25:25 AM EDT

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I thought they labeled the bump stock something different?

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:25:29 AM EDT

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@RickScott
@TomLEE
@Galvano
@therealDJT
@.....

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:25:40 AM EDT

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Fake news. Misleading thread title - does not match contents of letter posted.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:26:21 AM EDT

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Posted: 5/1/2019 10:26:39 AM EDT

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I wonder how come the the NRA isn't wasting millions of dollars fighting this bump stock ban.

Fucking lazy assholes, I'm glad they are done, not one fucking inch, fucking line in the sand.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:26:47 AM EDT

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In on one.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:27:08 AM EDT

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This. It sounds like they plugged the thing in quotes into a search and said it didn't return any results. Which is not surprising given all the search terms, each further discriminating the search.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:27:14 AM EDT

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I distinctly recall seeing at least one bumpstock if not more in pictures of guns from the las vegas shooters room.

Also when the las vegas shooting happened (before bumpstocks were mentioned) I analyzed the audio from one of the videos and it was my conclusion that it was a bumostoc because the time between the shots was very consistent with the occasional inconsistency. It just didnt have the same look that audio of the dozen or so videos I analyzed from youtube of people shooting semi automatic (over longer strings of fire). Im no expert, but that was my opinion.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:27:25 AM EDT

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+1

It's more an admittal that they don't track it in the database they searched.

Does LVPD have any FOIA type requirements?

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:27:26 AM EDT

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"We have no information for you" =/= confirmation they've never been used in a crime.

Posted: 5/1/2019 10:28:34 AM EDT

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Exactly.

The letter is just a statement about their record-keeping, and not a statement about whether or not “bump stocks” were accessories mounted on the rifles used in the Las Vegas shooting.

The photographic evidence from the aftermath of the Las Vegas shooting makes it perfectly obvious that bumpstocks were used.

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ATF did not say bump stocks weren't used, they blew you off.

Exactly.

The letter is just a statement about their record-keeping, and not a statement about whether or not “bump stocks” were accessories mounted on the rifles used in the Las Vegas shooting.

The photographic evidence from the aftermath of the Las Vegas shooting makes it perfectly obvious that bumpstocks were used.

That wouldn't get clicks and supporting responses from folks who don't read past thread titles though.

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