Posted: 4/9/2020 9:25:29 PM EDT
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/base-jumpers-reckless-flight-at-zion-costs-him-dollar5000/ar-BB12opnu On March 28, Zion rangers received a tip that three were planning to BASE jump off either the Great White Throne or Cable Mountain, and they staked out these locations. One jumper was observed on the former. Miller initially eluded rangers but was apprehended later that night. |
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Quoted: I am 100% in this boat. Show me his victim. No victim, no crime. Quoted: Quoted: Who really cares? If he crashes and kills himself it’s his ass, not mine. Do we really need the fun police patrolling our daily lives? I am 100% in this boat. Show me his victim. No victim, no crime. |
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Quoted: He got caught and rightly fined. However that is just a risk/cost for that kind of sport. All it means is the park service/whoever caught one this time around. I would bet the ticket will be framed and mounted on a wall. He won't even have to pay it if he dies base jumping. Win win. |
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Quoted: Who really cares? If he crashes and kills himself it's his ass, not mine. Do we really need the fun police patrolling our daily lives? If he crashes and kills himself, or gets hurt, or gets stuck up a tree, who do you think pays for the recovery and any lawsuits? The taxpayer |
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Quoted: There are a million cliffs that he could have done this off of but the super ego of this princess, told him it must be in Zion Park. Because in America it should be illegal to go on public land, hike up a rock and jump off? I’m really curious what sort of crime you think he’s guilty of. |
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Quoted: Because in America it should be illegal to go on public land, hike up a rock and jump off? I’m really curious what sort of crime you think he’s guilty of. Quoted: Quoted: There are a million cliffs that he could have done this off of but the super ego of this princess, told him it must be in Zion Park. Because in America it should be illegal to go on public land, hike up a rock and jump off? I’m really curious what sort of crime you think he’s guilty of. I just think he was looking for trouble or fame. He picked one of the only spots in 500 miles that anyone would give a shit. Everyone will notice me if I jump in Zion's instes of my usual spots in the Wasatch. |
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Quoted: I just think he was looking for trouble or fame. He picked one of the only spots in 500 miles that anyone would give a shit. Everyone will notice me if I jump in Zion's instes of my usual spots in the Wasatch. Still not a crime. It’s one of the most beautiful places on earth. If I had the bravery/stupidity/fearlessness of these guys, I would love to fly Zions. |
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Quoted: If he crashes and kills himself, or gets hurt, or gets stuck up a tree, who do you think pays for the recovery and any lawsuits? The taxpayer Garnish it from his wages just like they do child support, and deny unemployment benefits to those with outstanding debt. Matter of fact, consider it his automatic third offense should he be caught breaking any other laws while repaying the debt. And provide hard labor at the federal minimum wage rate, 8 hrs a day, 5 days a week, for those in prison. Earn your cost of incarceration, should you not be able to hold a legal means of paying off your debt. Owe more than just your incarceration? Work 12 hrs, 365 days, in there. Then let his dumbass jump off. If he dies with no assets to offset his cost, sell his parachute and call it a day. I'll cover the loss in my tax payments. Lord knows I pay enough other dumbasses in the government to do even less. |
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Quoted: Still not a crime. It’s one of the most beautiful places on earth. If I had the bravery/stupidity/fearlessness of these guys, I would love to fly Zions. Quoted: Quoted: I just think he was looking for trouble or fame. He picked one of the only spots in 500 miles that anyone would give a shit. Everyone will notice me if I jump in Zion's instes of my usual spots in the Wasatch. Still not a crime. It’s one of the most beautiful places on earth. If I had the bravery/stupidity/fearlessness of these guys, I would love to fly Zions. Then he should have had the balls to do it off of Angle's Landing with smoke trails coming off of his wings and a fire cracker shooting out his ass. Go big or go home! |
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Quoted: I am 100% in this boat. Show me his victim. No victim, no crime. Quoted: Quoted: Who really cares? If he crashes and kills himself it’s his ass, not mine. Do we really need the fun police patrolling our daily lives? I am 100% in this boat. Show me his victim. No victim, no crime. this |
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Quoted: BASE jumpers are the most self absorbed bunch of people I’ve ever met. Not all of them, but a lot. Worse than pilots. How many interactions do you have with base jumpers? All of the people I know in the base community are the most respectful of outdoor locations. If you fuck things up within the base world, you will be shunned. Or literally tarred and feathered |
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Quoted: Who really cares? If he crashes and kills himself it’s his ass, not mine. Do we really need the fun police patrolling our daily lives? It's the people and resources that will be risked on the search & rescue effort if he gets stuck on the rock face or his body isn't recovered. Kharn |
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Quoted: I am 100% in this boat. Show me his victim. No victim, no crime. Quoted: Quoted: Who really cares? If he crashes and kills himself it’s his ass, not mine. Do we really need the fun police patrolling our daily lives? I am 100% in this boat. Show me his victim. No victim, no crime. They are claming the condor was the victim. |
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Quoted: Who really cares? If he crashes and kills himself it’s his ass, not mine. Do we really need the fun police patrolling our daily lives? Hey if you want to kill yourself leave a cash deposit to cover the cost of cleaning up your carcass so it does not fall on the tax payers. |
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Quoted: It's the people and resources that will be risked on the search & rescue effort if he gets stuck on the rock face or his body isn't recovered. Kharn What about all of the rock climbers that require rescue? What about all of the hikers? And can you show me one instance where search and rescue has been injured in the saving of a base jumper? I sure as hell cant, and I was active in the community for quite a while. Your reasoning is sounding suspiciously reminiscent of “if it can save one life...” |
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Quoted: If he crashes and kills himself, or gets hurt, or gets stuck up a tree, who do you think pays for the recovery and any lawsuits? The taxpayer You do know they can do it just outside the NP in .gov owned land on the same style and size of rock formations and it's completely legal. Guess who pays when they fuck themselves up. |
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Quoted: It's the people and resources that will be risked on the search & rescue effort if he gets stuck on the rock face or his body isn't recovered. Kharn And those exact same people will be running the S&R just outside the park boundaries. Got a buddy that did almost a decade at Zion and we talked about plenty of them that he was on in the local area. |
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Quoted: Just charge people $5k to jump. The king gets his money, they are covered when they have to scrape someone off the rocks and the motivated thrill seeker can just cut them a check ahead of time. We should make tax stamps $5000 too, that way the costs are covered when we have to mop someone out of the carpet.  Freedom scary yo! |
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Quoted: If he crashes and kills himself, or gets hurt, or gets stuck up a tree, who do you think pays for the recovery and any lawsuits? The taxpayer You're a fool if you don't think those people send the "victims" who need rescuing a hefty tab to pay if they were being negligent in their actions that caused them to require services rendered... |
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To the extent that it doesn't materially interfere with the ability for others to enjoy the park, I have no problem with it. However, places like canyon, proper, and El Cap, etc, it would just be never ending stream of parachutes, so if it were ever allowed, it would need to be regulated. Heavily. |