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Quoted: How many interactions do you have with base jumpers? All of the people I know in the base community are the most respectful of outdoor locations. If you fuck things up within the base world, you will be shunned. Or literally tarred and feathered A lot. I’ve been a professional skydiver for 20 years. My BASE number is 81. |
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Quoted: Because in America it should be illegal to go on public land, hike up a rock and jump off? I’m really curious what sort of crime you think he’s guilty of. Quoted: Quoted: There are a million cliffs that he could have done this off of but the super ego of this princess, told him it must be in Zion Park. Because in America it should be illegal to go on public land, hike up a rock and jump off? I’m really curious what sort of crime you think he’s guilty of. |
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Quoted: You're a fool if you don't think those people send the "victims" who need rescuing a hefty tab to pay if they were being negligent in their actions that caused them to require services rendered... Quoted: Quoted: If he crashes and kills himself, or gets hurt, or gets stuck up a tree, who do you think pays for the recovery and any lawsuits? The taxpayer You're a fool if you don't think those people send the "victims" who need rescuing a hefty tab to pay if they were being negligent in their actions that caused them to require services rendered... Good luck showing that they were being negligent. And how often do they end up paying? Actually this brings up a question. How many hurt/killed/stuck basejumpers or anyone else actually pay for services rendered to assist them? |
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Quoted: How many interactions do you have with base jumpers? All of the people I know in the base community are the most respectful of outdoor locations. If you fuck things up within the base world, you will be shunned. Or literally tarred and feathered Did you actually use the word literally? |
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In general it shouldn't be illegal to jump off a rock but I'm pretty sure the National Park System is currently closed to the public, and Zion definitely is (I just looked) which all normal people begrudgingly accepted and changed their plans. I had plans to backpack through some other parks this may and now I'm not going to do that. If law abiding regular people abide by the rules, but this special snowflake gets to sneak in, and then break their other rules, that's not fair to all of the people who got the message and just stayed home. The people sneaking into closed parks are special snowflakes who think the rules don't apply to them. So fuck this dude, he earned a fine. Generally, jumping off of tall objects shouldn't be illegal but when those idiots fuck up that definitely costs tax payers money too, so charging an access fee (just like I pay for back country hiking would be reasonable. |
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Quoted: It's the people and resources that will be risked on the search & rescue effort if he gets stuck on the rock face or his body isn't recovered. Kharn Quoted: Quoted: Who really cares? If he crashes and kills himself it’s his ass, not mine. Do we really need the fun police patrolling our daily lives? It's the people and resources that will be risked on the search & rescue effort if he gets stuck on the rock face or his body isn't recovered. Kharn This, not the jumper, it's others that have to bail his ass out of a bad situation. |
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That's pure awesomeness. |
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Quoted: Hey if you want to kill yourself leave a cash deposit to cover the cost of cleaning up your carcass so it does not fall on the tax payers. Agreed. Every time someone jackass does something like this and dies, the government has to interview a ton of people, hire a few, train them for quite a while to hone their skills, and then go out and buy expensive equipment. Then go through the entire process again the next time somebody goes splat or gets stuck on a mountain. |
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So why didn't this "hero" jump somewhere else? From the article: "The cliff face below Angels Landing is a known nesting area where California condor chick No. 1,000 took its first flight from its nest last September, marking the first wild-hatched chick to successfully fledge within Zion since recovery efforts began in the late 1990s and likely the first in Zion in over 100 years. Climbing routes on the Great White Throne were closed to all visitors March 1 due to nesting peregrine falcons, which are sensitive to disturbances during nesting season. “BASE jumping near nesting falcons and condors increases the chances of these parents being displaced or flushed from their nest or roost site which will increase the nest’s vulnerability to predators and could potentially result in nest failure,” said Zion National Park biologist Janice Stroud-Settles." Seriously. Mr. Self-absorbed Asshole decides that his latest adrenaline rush exempts him from rules others follow? Not arbitrary, apparently, they closed the trails and said why. But he's special? Fuck that guy. Ban him from all parks. Let him go jump off buildings or whatever. Idiot. |
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It's not statist to think this guy is a self-absorbed asshole, who deserved the fine. It's called being an adult and realizing that your actions can have consequences for other people. "But it didn't this time" is the counter-argument of a child. I don't really give a shit about condors, but we are paying god knows what to rehabilitate the fuckers, and this guy obviously doesn't care. I DO care about all the other humans who could be affected if they had needed to scrape his dumb ass off a rock. Hikers and climbers and other users of all kinds pay usage fees. NPS just collected their fee after the fact. ETA: reading his statements, he sounds like he took his licks in stride, but I doubt he'll stop trying to jump in other parks or other places it is already illegal. So I respect the fact that he did it safely and didn't whine about catching a fine, but little else.  |
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The current crop of base jumpers normally are attention whores. I used to hang out with a very serious group of base jumpers back in the mid 1980's and quite honestly they didn't film shit or even talk about it outside a small circle friends. In the case of that group it was all about line stretch just prior to landing and they were generally jumping radio towers to make that happen. 100 meter type stuff and S folding their parachute into a paper sack. As for the "victimless crime" crew I'd suggest that if the body was left to rot on a cliff somewhere when the dude fraps in then maybe you're right. That's not the case though as rescue crews will be put in danger and resources expended. A large fine is more than appropriate. Again, like my example above, if you get the urge to BASE jump just use a radio tower. If you bounce no big deal....meat wagon pulls up and loads your body up. $150 max in costs. |
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Quoted: If he crashes and kills himself, or gets hurt, or gets stuck up a tree, who do you think pays for the recovery and any lawsuits? The taxpayer Quoted: Quoted: Who really cares? If he crashes and kills himself it's his ass, not mine. Do we really need the fun police patrolling our daily lives? If he crashes and kills himself, or gets hurt, or gets stuck up a tree, who do you think pays for the recovery and any lawsuits? The taxpayer |
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Quoted: BASE jumpers are the most self absorbed bunch of people I’ve ever met. Not all of them, but a lot. Worse than pilots. Nobody is worse than pilots. They have generations upon generations of people thinking their job that is getting automated is both important and difficult. It is ingrained into them as soon as they start flying 172's. If it was either, they wouldn't be developing a machine that can do it too. |
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Quoted: Nobody is worse than pilots. They have generations upon generations of people thinking their job that is getting automated is both important and difficult. It is ingrained into them as soon as they start flying 172's. If it was either, they wouldn't be developing a machine that can do it too. I had a commercial pilot once tell me that it's better for all involved if he didn't ever touch the controls as the plane could take off, fly and land way better via computers than human. I guess they have to get some stick time to keep their hours up but I found it sort of amazing that commercial planes have evolved to that point. |
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Quoted: It's the people and resources that will be risked on the search & rescue effort if he gets stuck on the rock face or his body isn't recovered. Kharn Quoted: Quoted: Who really cares? If he crashes and kills himself it’s his ass, not mine. Do we really need the fun police patrolling our daily lives? It's the people and resources that will be risked on the search & rescue effort if he gets stuck on the rock face or his body isn't recovered. Kharn Then don’t go looking for him? |
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Quoted: Mighty fine police work. Glad there are no actual crimes to prosecute. The area was closed because of the birds. Whether you give a shit about the birds or not doesn't matter, it was closed and he chose to ignore it. He could have waited until it opened back up, but no, he followed his "fuck everybody but me" attitude that seems to have become the norm these days. Should have banned him from ALL national parks forever. |
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Quoted: Nobody is worse than pilots. They have generations upon generations of people thinking their job that is getting automated is both important and difficult. It is ingrained into them as soon as they start flying 172's. If it was either, they wouldn't be developing a machine that can do it too. lol |
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Quoted: Did you actually use the word literally? Quoted: Quoted: How many interactions do you have with base jumpers? All of the people I know in the base community are the most respectful of outdoor locations. If you fuck things up within the base world, you will be shunned. Or literally tarred and feathered Did you actually use the word literally? +1, I want to see tarred & feathered base jumper outcasts now. Kharn |
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Quoted: That particular pursuit has very few outcomes that require rescue vs recovery. Quoted: Quoted: This, not the jumper, it's others that have to bail his ass out of a bad situation. That particular pursuit has very few outcomes that require rescue vs recovery. It's bad form to find the corpse on some ledge and just roll him off it so the coroner can load him into the van. Kharn |
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Quoted: So why didn't this "hero" jump somewhere else? From the article: "The cliff face below Angels Landing is a known nesting area where California condor chick No. 1,000 took its first flight from its nest last September, marking the first wild-hatched chick to successfully fledge within Zion since recovery efforts began in the late 1990s and likely the first in Zion in over 100 years. Climbing routes on the Great White Throne were closed to all visitors March 1 due to nesting peregrine falcons, which are sensitive to disturbances during nesting season. “BASE jumping near nesting falcons and condors increases the chances of these parents being displaced or flushed from their nest or roost site which will increase the nest’s vulnerability to predators and could potentially result in nest failure,” said Zion National Park biologist Janice Stroud-Settles." Seriously. Mr. Self-absorbed Asshole decides that his latest adrenaline rush exempts him from rules others follow? Not arbitrary, apparently, they closed the trails and said why. But he's special? Fuck that guy. Ban him from all parks. Let him go jump off buildings or whatever. Idiot. If there were published nesting closures, then that, alone, is a good reason for the arrest and fine. Normally, a jump is nothing more than a misdemeanor and small fine, but given the park closure and nesting closures, this will be more. But, I doubt this will result in him being banned from parks; that's something that usually only comes up with felony vandalism or property destruction cases. |
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Quoted: Spend $50 and put up a sign at the entrance, “Fuck you, idiots. You’re on your own.” Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Then don’t go looking for him? and suffer the lawsuit. Spend $50 and put up a sign at the entrance, “Fuck you, idiots. You’re on your own.” No sign needed. |
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Quoted: Garnish it from his wages just like they do child support, and deny unemployment benefits to those with outstanding debt. Matter of fact, consider it his automatic third offense should he be caught breaking any other laws while repaying the debt. And provide hard labor at the federal minimum wage rate, 8 hrs a day, 5 days a week, for those in prison. Earn your cost of incarceration, should you not be able to hold a legal means of paying off your debt. Owe more than just your incarceration? Work 12 hrs, 365 days, in there. Then let his dumbass jump off. If he dies with no assets to offset his cost, sell his parachute and call it a day. I'll cover the loss in my tax payments. Lord knows I pay enough other dumbasses in the government to do even less. Quoted: Quoted: If he crashes and kills himself, or gets hurt, or gets stuck up a tree, who do you think pays for the recovery and any lawsuits? The taxpayer Garnish it from his wages just like they do child support, and deny unemployment benefits to those with outstanding debt. Matter of fact, consider it his automatic third offense should he be caught breaking any other laws while repaying the debt. And provide hard labor at the federal minimum wage rate, 8 hrs a day, 5 days a week, for those in prison. Earn your cost of incarceration, should you not be able to hold a legal means of paying off your debt. Owe more than just your incarceration? Work 12 hrs, 365 days, in there. Then let his dumbass jump off. If he dies with no assets to offset his cost, sell his parachute and call it a day. I'll cover the loss in my tax payments. Lord knows I pay enough other dumbasses in the government to do even less. Dude we don’t support Authoritarian regimes here. go back under whatever rock you crawled out of. |
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Quoted: Because in America it should be illegal to go on public land, hike up a rock and jump off? I'm really curious what sort of crime you think he's guilty of. National Parks are only "public land" in the sense that the government owns them. The enabling act for the Park Service makes it clear you don't get to do whatever you want inside their boundaries. If he had bothered to stay on BLM land just outside the park boundaries no one would have cared. I've noticed the people who think the Park Service should lighten up are probably the first ones to complain when Chinese tourists walk up next to Old Faithful to take a selfie. |
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Quoted: He got caught and rightly fined. However that is just a risk/cost for that kind of sport. All it means is the park service/whoever caught one this time around. I would bet the ticket will be framed and mounted on a wall. With the check from GoFundMe attached. |
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Quoted: I am 100% in this boat. Show me his victim. No victim, no crime. Quoted: Quoted: Who really cares? If he crashes and kills himself it’s his ass, not mine. Do we really need the fun police patrolling our daily lives? I am 100% in this boat. Show me his victim. No victim, no crime. The problem is even if they die, someone has to go out and recover the body. This could require multiple people having to hike in and haul their dumb ass out. If they don't die, it's a rescue operation that potentially puts other lives at risk. |
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Quoted: Agreed. Every time someone jackass All gun owners should have to purchase a $5000 permit with the government in order to cover the cost of investigating gun related violence. Again - half the membership of this site has no idea what freedom means. |
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Quoted: So why didn't this "hero" jump somewhere else? From the article: "The cliff face below Angels Landing is a known nesting area where California condor chick No. 1,000 took its first flight from its nest last September, marking the first wild-hatched chick to successfully fledge within Zion since recovery efforts began in the late 1990s and likely the first in Zion in over 100 years. Climbing routes on the Great White Throne were closed to all visitors March 1 due to nesting peregrine falcons, which are sensitive to disturbances during nesting season. “BASE jumping near nesting falcons and condors increases the chances of these parents being displaced or flushed from their nest or roost site which will increase the nest’s vulnerability to predators and could potentially result in nest failure,” said Zion National Park biologist Janice Stroud-Settles." Seriously. Mr. Self-absorbed Asshole decides that his latest adrenaline rush exempts him from rules others follow? Not arbitrary, apparently, they closed the trails and said why. But he's special? Fuck that guy. Ban him from all parks. Let him go jump off buildings or whatever. Idiot. I hear that shooting ranges are quite disruptive to animal behavior as well. We should close them down. Where do you see that he actually harmed a condor? All I see is the typical "won't somebody please think of the children/endangered species/environment" liberal freak out used as justification to strip someone of freedom. Freedom scary yo. |