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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:05:56 PM EDT
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So putting a bow on this, the military is gay, as conservatives we hate it just like every other American institution.
I think we nailed it. I feel good about this one. |
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MOZ
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:08:21 PM EDT
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Welp, these things happen when you have a clown as an illegitimate President…
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:19:59 PM EDT
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Just start the “what’s your excuse for not serving” thread. I love those.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:24:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: Well good thing we have you as the arbiter to tell us what is an acceptable cause to fight for and what isn't! Otherwise I might make a mistake and back a play not supported by our resident alpha male super patriot. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: Originally Posted By PatriotAr15: I wouldn't call going overseas to defend Taiwan "dying for GloboHomo". I hate China, and if they kick things off... we have a legit alliance with Taiwan and I support defending them. I want China to get their ass kicked. I am saying that dying for GloboHomo is basically what they're advertising. If the US government puts out messaging stating that America is fighting for a global future, and for increased sexual degeneracy..... why would any one who's normal respond positively to that? Well good thing we have you as the arbiter to tell us what is an acceptable cause to fight for and what isn't! Otherwise I might make a mistake and back a play not supported by our resident alpha male super patriot. I'm criticizing the government's pathetic attempts at boosting recruitment with literal LGBT propaganda and pushing Globalist open borders narratives in their messaging. If they did a video about standing up to China and other Tyrannical government's around the world.... that would in line with something that might work. But their literal recruitment videos AND the government's own messaging is undermining the motivations that tend to convince people to join. That's all I'm saying. Is that really that objectionable? Or are you a fan of the LGBTWTFBBQ recruitment videos? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:29:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PatriotAr15]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brosnarp: Alternate summary: guys who failed to join the military for various reasons go hard claiming that anyone in now is dying for globohomo, then get dunked on repeatedly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brosnarp: Originally Posted By PatriotAr15: Ill summarize it for you... you're not allowed to criticize the US Government for falling recruitment numbers unless you've served in the military. Alternate summary: guys who failed to join the military for various reasons go hard claiming that anyone in now is dying for globohomo, then get dunked on repeatedly. My criticism is about the messaging and values the government is trying to push and use as motivators to join the military. Values that are contrary to the US Constitution. Pushing LGBTQWTFBBQ nonsense in recruitment videos, condemning anyone who believes in nationalism or national sovereignty, or anyone who supports the 2A or even free speech... You don't get to do that and NOT suffer a drop in recruitment. Is that really that fucking hard to understand!?!? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:34:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AbleArcher: So putting a bow on this, the military is gay, as conservatives we hate it just like every other American institution. I think we nailed it. I feel good about this one. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:34:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: People who join the military have their own reasons for joining. My criticism is about the messaging and values the government is trying to push and use as motivators to join the military. Pushing LGBTQWTFBBQ nonsense in recruitment videos, condemning anyone who believes in nationalism or national sovereignty, or anyone who supports the 2A or even free speech.. You don't get to do that and NOT suffer a drop in recruitment. Is that really that fucking hard to understand!?!? Link to recruitment videos condemning nationalism, national sovereignty, the 2A, or free speech? Not saying they don’t exist. I’ve just never seen one. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:38:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Link to recruitment videos condemning nationalism, national sovereignty, the 2A, or free speech? Not saying they don't exist. I've just never seen one. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:40:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: daemon734]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: The latter was more about the government at large. The LGBTQWTFBBQ stuff, cmon...you know what I'm referring to. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: The latter was more about the government at large. The LGBTQWTFBBQ stuff, cmon...you know what I'm referring to. There's a drop in recruitment everywhere right now, in every fucking job. Not surprisingly it's affected the military as well. I may have just solved the thread. Originally Posted By PatriotAr15: If someone joins thr military because they're a Communist and want to use it as a stepping stone or to subvert the military.... are you really going to tell me his motivation for joining the military doesn't matter? I'm criticizing the government's pathetic attempts at boosting recruitment with literal LGBT propaganda and pushing Globalist open borders narratives in their messaging. If they did a video about standing up to China and other Tyrannical government's around the world.... that would in line with something that might work. But their literal recruitment videos AND the government's own messaging is undermining the motivations that tend to convince people to join. That's all I'm saying. Is that really that objectionable? Or are you a fan of the LGBTWTFBBQ recruitment videos? We've already established you are extremely susceptible to propaganda and messaging and that you need your information spoon fed to you in that exact format, but in reality I dont care if it is, because we dont need or want you. Even though the messaging you mention is a portion of the overall recruiting effort and represents only a handful of videos out of many, I will acknowledge some of it does exist. Gays are being targeted for recruitment among other demographics. I honestly don't give a shit because unlike you, they may actually have potential to provide value and service to their country. If they serve they pulled off what you couldn't (wouldn't), and at base value are better people than you are. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:46:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: The latter was more about the government at large. The LGBTQWTFBBQ stuff, cmon...you know what I'm referring to. Stay on track. Where are the military recruiting campaigns pushing globalist open borders? |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:57:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PatriotAr15: The latter was more about the government at large. The LGBTQWTFBBQ stuff, cmon...you know what I'm referring to. Those were your words. Messaging the government is using to promote certain values for recruitment. 17 years on AD next month, and I haven’t seen what you are talking about. Maybe you can show me? |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:59:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bye_Felicia]
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Served with a dude during the Don't Ask, Don't Tell days. Queerer than a 3 dollar bill. Amazing Scout. Drank like a champ.
I'd take a brigade of that dudes clones to war. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:03:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bye_Felicia: Served with a dude during the Don't Ask, Don't Tell days. Queerer than a 3 dollar bill. Amazing Scout. Drank like a champ. I'd take a brigade of that dudes clones to war. In 19 years I think I've known maybe 5-6 of them. I'd say at least 4 of them I would consider amazing soldiers, which is a pretty high ratio for me. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:04:26 PM EDT
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All the military dudes showed up in cheerleader uniforms for the gang bang and started giving each other so many handies in the lobby that shit got gross.
I gotta score it: PatriotAR15 at negative 17 points. Team GloboHomo at negative 69 points. Winner: PatriotAR15 on points. Patriot, take your wrinkled ball sack and go home to enjoy your first ever win. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:05:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: Patriot, take your wrinkled ball sack and go home to enjoy your first ever win. Slowly, so you don't cramp up. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:06:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: People who join the military have their own reasons for joining and fighting. My criticism is about the messaging and values the government is trying to push and use as motivators to join the military. Values that are contrary to the US Constitution. Pushing LGBTQWTFBBQ nonsense in recruitment videos, condemning anyone who believes in nationalism or national sovereignty, or anyone who supports the 2A or even free speech... You don't get to do that and NOT suffer a drop in recruitment. Is that really that fucking hard to understand!?!? If you'd stuck to criticizing the messaging in current recruiting ads you'd have found a receptive audience. Instead you've tried to turn your failure to join the military into a virtue and it hasn't really worked out. Keep going though, I'm sure you'll dig your way out of this hole. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:08:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: People who join the military have their own reasons for joining and fighting. My criticism is about the messaging and values the government is trying to push and use as motivators to join the military. Values that are contrary to the US Constitution. Pushing LGBTQWTFBBQ nonsense in recruitment videos, condemning anyone who believes in nationalism or national sovereignty, or anyone who supports the 2A or even free speech... You don't get to do that and NOT suffer a drop in recruitment. Is that really that fucking hard to understand!?!? I am interested in these videos of which you speak. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:12:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naffenea: I am interested in these videos of which you speak. In 2021 the US Army published a recruitment video on Youtube that featured a young female soldier that had two moms. Thus invalidating 248 years of good Christian conservative US Army values. Because of this the US Army wants to kill us all. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:14:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: Slowly, so you don't cramp up. 
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:35:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naffenea: I am interested in these videos of which you speak. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naffenea: Originally Posted By PatriotAr15: People who join the military have their own reasons for joining and fighting. My criticism is about the messaging and values the government is trying to push and use as motivators to join the military. Values that are contrary to the US Constitution. Pushing LGBTQWTFBBQ nonsense in recruitment videos, condemning anyone who believes in nationalism or national sovereignty, or anyone who supports the 2A or even free speech... You don't get to do that and NOT suffer a drop in recruitment. Is that really that fucking hard to understand!?!? I am interested in these videos of which you speak. Here is one.  US Army - Emma, The Calling #GOARMY (2021) https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/01/16/army-delists-calling-ads-making-them-harder-find-youtube-after-years-of-political-blowback.html |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:47:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SiVisPacem]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: People who join the military have their own reasons for joining and fighting. My criticism is about the messaging and values the government is trying to push and use as motivators to join the military. Values that are contrary to the US Constitution. Pushing LGBTQWTFBBQ nonsense in recruitment videos, condemning anyone who believes in nationalism or national sovereignty, or anyone who supports the 2A or even free speech... You don't get to do that and NOT suffer a drop in recruitment. Is that really that fucking hard to understand!?!? Unlike you, my older brother and his husband have dedicated around 40 years, combined, to the United States Air Force. You'll need to explain to me in small words how it's contrary to the Constitution for them to serve the Nation they both love. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:49:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: All the military dudes showed up in cheerleader uniforms for the gang bang and started giving each other so many handies in the lobby that shit got gross. I gotta score it: PatriotAR15 at negative 17 points. Team GloboHomo at negative 69 points. Winner: PatriotAR15 on points. Patriot, take your wrinkled ball sack and go home to enjoy your first ever win. Look. Schools almost out. Who else am I supposed to push my globohomo agenda to? I've got quotas to keep if I want my George Soros decoder ring. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 11:06:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: daemon734]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bye_Felicia: Look. Schools almost out. Who else am I supposed to push my globohomo agenda to? I've got quotas to keep if I want my George Soros decoder ring. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bye_Felicia: Look. Schools almost out. Who else am I supposed to push my globohomo agenda to? I've got quotas to keep if I want my George Soros decoder ring. "Patriot" is just mad he wasn't good enough to get to order drone strikes on US civilians. He's surely advocated enough for his desire to come be a part of the team. Originally Posted By PatriotAr15: According to your defintion of "Patriot" its anyone who fights for the US government. Not someone who stands for certain principles. I bet if Joe Biden ordered the US military to fire drone strikes on Americans who refuse to turn in their guns or trans their kids... you'd call the drone pilots "True Patriots". |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 11:26:59 PM EDT
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That dang Emma video. That thing that has kept so many gun board dudes awake at night.
My son is towards the end of his first enlistment in the Army. He’s in the 82nd and loves some of it and hates some of it, just like I did when I was in from 87-91 USN. Just like my Dads service and my granddads service times. Little has changed in the big picture and the military is not collapsing. When we go visit him and meet his buddies we are impressed by these young GEN Z men that have volunteered to serve our country. He has great leaders and poor leaders. Just like it ever was. He is just as based now as he ever was. He has not caught the gayz. He drinks cusses and chases woman just like soldiers in Fayetteville always have. He’s a better person now, more mature, in better physical condition than I ever was and extremely confident. I’m happy with what the army has done for him just like my Dad was happy for what the navy did for me. Calm down doomers. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 1:00:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kilroytheknifesnob: If it was my call, I’d increase standards and pay, shrinking the Army even more. Why do we need a massive Army again? It’s not supposed to be a jobs program. If general officers want pay closer to civilians, then they’ll have to produce results or be fired. Not sure much of the current crop would stick around to enjoy the higher paychecks. I'd go much further. We are not supposed to have a Standing Army. All of Active Duty would be gone. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 1:11:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NavyDoc1: I would have joined but I would have probably punched my drill instructor.  But in all fairness, you could have fixed him. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 1:20:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MikeJGA]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: If someone joins thr military because they're a Communist and want to use it as a stepping stone or to subvert the military.... are you really going to tell me his motivation for joining the military doesn't matter? I'm criticizing the government's pathetic attempts at boosting recruitment with literal LGBT propaganda and pushing Globalist open borders narratives in their messaging. If they did a video about standing up to China and other Tyrannical government's around the world.... that would in line with something that might work. But their literal recruitment videos AND the government's own messaging is undermining the motivations that tend to convince people to join. That's all I'm saying. Is that really that objectionable? Or are you a fan of the LGBTWTFBBQ recruitment videos? I don't give a fuck if someone is LGBTXYZ as long as they are willing to put their life on the line for this country. There have been LGBTXYZs in our military since the American Revolution. Most just kept it on the down low, |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 1:26:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Phil_Billy: I'd go much further. We are not supposed to have a Standing Army. All of Active Duty would be gone. That’s a myth https://history.army.mil/html/forcestruc/lineages/branches/inf/0003in.htm The Founding Fathers kept the 3rd infantry regiment since 1784. It is the oldest Army unit that continues service today. I don’t know where you guys get this Foundimg Fathers were anti military, anti war and anti “interventionist” as most of you seem to prefer to call it. It wasn’t just Thomas Jefferson with the Barbary Wars but other Founding Fathers like James Madison and John Adams expanding the military and getting us involved in foreign wars https://history.state.gov/milestones/1801-1829/barbary-wars  Attached File Attached FileIf you guys want to argue it would be better today to do those things, that’s your prerogative and feel free to make that case but it’s a fallacy to lend yourselves some kind of legitimacy by tying those views to the Founding Fathers. https://oldguard.mdw.army.mil/  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 1:57:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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NV, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 2:02:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kilroytheknifesnob: George Washington would disband the active duty, leaving only the reserves. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kilroytheknifesnob: Originally Posted By AbleArcher: The reserve components should be disbanded. George Washington would disband the active duty, leaving only the reserves. This, it amazing how many of you "Patriots" support a standing Army. The Founders warned us of this. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 2:07:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jwr6: Nope. The Army learned it's lesson with contractors. On a very small scale, sure, but they aren't going to contract out UAS defense. You should forsee a significant movement of AC strength into the USAR. The DoD is going to have a SERIOUS come-to-jesus with Congress once 2033 and a 20% across-the-board cut in SS checks hits about 65 million voters is no longer in the "kick the can" timeframe. I expect by 2030 you'll see a serious shift of Army and Air Force units into the reserves. I don;t know what the fuck the Navy's going to do. It's not like you're going to park a carrier group and only drive it around one weekend a month, but no way the Army and AF will take it up the keister without the Navy taking it as well. USMC already has a good footprint with 3 active divisions and 1 reserve; they'll just switch the ratio. The Army, I expect will just push the entirety of their CS/CSS footprint into the USAR and regionally align so unit drills/AT can be leveraged to support CA unit training events. The Army has now gone 0-2 with the roundout brigade and associate unit concepts, so I think it will be a wholesale shift of capabilities and not blended Divisions/Brigades/etc. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jwr6: Originally Posted By NDHojo: Private contractors I forsee in the future. Nope. The Army learned it's lesson with contractors. On a very small scale, sure, but they aren't going to contract out UAS defense. You should forsee a significant movement of AC strength into the USAR. The DoD is going to have a SERIOUS come-to-jesus with Congress once 2033 and a 20% across-the-board cut in SS checks hits about 65 million voters is no longer in the "kick the can" timeframe. I expect by 2030 you'll see a serious shift of Army and Air Force units into the reserves. I don;t know what the fuck the Navy's going to do. It's not like you're going to park a carrier group and only drive it around one weekend a month, but no way the Army and AF will take it up the keister without the Navy taking it as well. USMC already has a good footprint with 3 active divisions and 1 reserve; they'll just switch the ratio. The Army, I expect will just push the entirety of their CS/CSS footprint into the USAR and regionally align so unit drills/AT can be leveraged to support CA unit training events. The Army has now gone 0-2 with the roundout brigade and associate unit concepts, so I think it will be a wholesale shift of capabilities and not blended Divisions/Brigades/etc. All Guard and Reserve Units have a fulltime mission and full time staff. I was an Air Reserve Technician for 15 years before transfering to another Government Agency. We might be in uniform but we are still technically "civilians" and paid as such Monday - Friday. To put things in perspective my Unit had 1200 people of which around 400 were fulltime employees. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 2:18:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Phil_Billy: This, it amazing how many of you "Patriots" support a standing Army. The Founders warned us of this. Founding Fathers like John Adams? Founding Fathers like Jefferson and Madison who got us involved in 2 overseas wars? https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/early-american-stances-size-and-role-military-and-its-effects-war-1812  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 2:19:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: In what manner, can I reasonably resist whats happening in the country? Attend protests? Write my congressmen? Call congressmen? Spread the message to people in my circle? I've done some of that. I could have done more. I should do more. I'm more than open to suggestions of what CAN be done. All good options. Live the values you want to see, don't just whine on Internet forums. If half the people who have opposed this stuff actually spoke up and took action, rather than yelling at the television with a beer in hand, things would be a bit better. Specific example: I'm awful sick of large public companies being used to push various social agendas on customers and employees, so I got together with a few like-minded friends and started a business that 1) does none of that, 2) represents defiance against globalist corporatism by simply existing and 3) will allow our people to support their families without compromising their values. We're not individually significant but if a million people across the country did the same, it sure would be. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 3:13:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Phil_Billy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morgan321: That's a lot of rationalization for one person in a single post! I had to go look up black pill because I don't spend enough time on the interweb. Holy shit, what kind of slack jawed faggot would claim to have taken the black pill? Just to remove your "I'm too old to join now" excuse, the current age limits are: Air force: 42 Navy: 41 Army: 39 with waiver to 45 Nobody gives a shit about your "injury". You use it as a scapegoat to deflect accountability for your own decisions. You'll sleep better if you improve your self awareness. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morgan321: Originally Posted By PatriotAr15: I tried to join.......... I was depressed at the time because....... I really wanted to join................ They literally dropped me like a hot potato.............. MEPS people basically scared me ....................... Even if I wasn't blackpilled....... I had to go look up black pill because I don't spend enough time on the interweb. Holy shit, what kind of slack jawed faggot would claim to have taken the black pill? The "black pill" generally refers to a set of beliefs mostly held by incel communities, which include biological determinism, fatalism, and defeatism for unattractive people. Originally Posted By PatriotAr15: Should I join now? I dont even think they take people in at 40. You dont understand the nature of my injury. Just to remove your "I'm too old to join now" excuse, the current age limits are: Air force: 42 Navy: 41 Army: 39 with waiver to 45 Nobody gives a shit about your "injury". You use it as a scapegoat to deflect accountability for your own decisions. You'll sleep better if you improve your self awareness. Apparently now the MRA is 65? Had no idea it got changed from 60. I'm 45 trying to imagine running around a track like a jack ass at 60 is unfathomable. That being said watching grown men purse swing especially those who have been or are currently in the Military is embarrassing. Glad I'm retiring in 2025. Also bragging about importing Afghans is not becoming. And telling someone to lie to join the Military. If you are one of those guys who has a waiver for your PT Test I don't want you in my Military. If you can't pass a basic fitness test without "cheating" there is no way I can trust you in combat. It also speaks a lot about your character and the core values you are supposed to uphold. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 3:24:17 AM EDT
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To be a counterpoint, you don't have to be apart of the military to be a patriot.
Everyone doesn't have to be a starter motor or flywheel. If you want you could join the TXSG. It's not part of the US military but it does good work down on the border and also does superb disaster relief for Texans. Go be active in your community and vocal about pro-American causes. Fight tax increases. Some of the founding fathers were never in the military but yet they made the greatest nation on earth. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 3:46:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: That’s a myth https://history.army.mil/html/forcestruc/lineages/branches/inf/0003in.htm The Founding Fathers kept the 3rd infantry regiment since 1784. It is the oldest Army unit that continues service today. I don’t know where you guys get this Foundimg Fathers were anti military, anti war and anti “interventionist” as most of you seem to prefer to call it. It wasn’t just Thomas Jefferson with the Barbary Wars but other Founding Fathers like James Madison and John Adams expanding the military and getting us involved in foreign wars https://history.state.gov/milestones/1801-1829/barbary-wars https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_4165_jpeg-3214740.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_4166_jpeg-3214741.JPG If you guys want to argue it would be better today to do those things, that’s your prerogative and feel free to make that case but it’s a fallacy to lend yourselves some kind of legitimacy by tying those views to the Founding Fathers. https://oldguard.mdw.army.mil/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_4164_jpeg-3214735.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By Phil_Billy: I'd go much further. We are not supposed to have a Standing Army. All of Active Duty would be gone. That’s a myth https://history.army.mil/html/forcestruc/lineages/branches/inf/0003in.htm The Founding Fathers kept the 3rd infantry regiment since 1784. It is the oldest Army unit that continues service today. I don’t know where you guys get this Foundimg Fathers were anti military, anti war and anti “interventionist” as most of you seem to prefer to call it. It wasn’t just Thomas Jefferson with the Barbary Wars but other Founding Fathers like James Madison and John Adams expanding the military and getting us involved in foreign wars https://history.state.gov/milestones/1801-1829/barbary-wars https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_4165_jpeg-3214740.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_4166_jpeg-3214741.JPG If you guys want to argue it would be better today to do those things, that’s your prerogative and feel free to make that case but it’s a fallacy to lend yourselves some kind of legitimacy by tying those views to the Founding Fathers. https://oldguard.mdw.army.mil/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_4164_jpeg-3214735.JPG They meant only to raise an Army in times of war. Even Washington who is a professional soldier, spoke out about having a Standing Army in times of peace and the dangers of it. From: George Washington, Sentiments on a Peace Establishment Altho' a large standing Army in time of Peace hath ever been considered dangerous to the liberties of a Country, yet a few Troops, under certain circumstances, are not only safe, but indispensably necessary. Fortunately for us our relative situation requires but few. The same circumstances which so effectually retarded, and in the end conspired to defeat the attempts of Britain to subdue us, will now powerfully tend to render us secure. Our distance from the European States in a great degree frees us of apprehension, from their numerous regular forces and the Insults and dangers which are to be dreaded from their Ambition. You can litterally Google what the Founders had to say about a Standing Army and they echo my sentimates. I'm not saying we don't need an Army just not in its current state. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 3:50:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Phil_Billy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Founding Fathers like John Adams? Founding Fathers like Jefferson and Madison who got us involved in 2 wars? https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/early-american-stances-size-and-role-military-and-its-effects-war-1812 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_4173_jpeg-3214752.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_4174_jpeg-3214753.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_4175_jpeg-3214754.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By Phil_Billy: This, it amazing how many of you "Patriots" support a standing Army. The Founders warned us of this. Founding Fathers like John Adams? Founding Fathers like Jefferson and Madison who got us involved in 2 wars? https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/early-american-stances-size-and-role-military-and-its-effects-war-1812 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_4173_jpeg-3214752.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_4174_jpeg-3214753.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_4175_jpeg-3214754.JPG See above reply. There are numerous others of the Founders who echo the same sentiments. I'm not about to spend a lot of time Googling it to get a bunch of quotes. You should of learned this in History class. Most times I agree with you, but you are wrong on this. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 5:34:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: In 2021 the US Army published a recruitment video on Youtube that featured a young female soldier that had two moms. Thus invalidating 248 years of good Christian conservative US Army values. Because of this the US Army wants to kill us all. Decline either happens slowly or all the sudden, either way there is always a starting point. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:05:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 30calTBLkid: But in all fairness, you could have fixed him. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 30calTBLkid: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: I would have joined but I would have probably punched my drill instructor. But in all fairness, you could have fixed him. It’s the circle of life. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:09:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Phil_Billy: See above reply. There are numerous others of the Founders who echo the same sentiments. I'm not about to spend a lot of time Googling it to get a bunch of quotes. You should of learned this in History class. Most times I agree with you, but you are wrong on this. There’s nothing to agree or disagree with me on. It’s history and fact. I’ve posted links so unless you’re disputing the legitimacy of those links I’ve already established President Adams, Jefferson and Madison did not conform to your description. Jefferson started out opposed to a standing Army and involvement in foreign wars but when he became President he got us involved in a war overseas against Muslims in North Africa. Even George Washington did not disband the active duty regular Army 3rd infantry regiment. The third infantry regiment was never disbanded by any of the Founding Fathers - George Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison all could have done it but none did. There was an active duty Army in the Founding Fathers timeline after the Revolutionary war ended. They did not disband the active duty regular Army, Navy or Marines after the British conceded defeat and acknowledged the Republic in 1783. Post links to the contrary if you’re denying this as historical fact |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:19:37 AM EDT
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TLDR
If it can't be conveyed in 3-5, 1 is optimal, intelligent/understandable, the originator/writer has no clue. There might be the real problem.... |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:20:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Phil_Billy: They meant only to raise an Army in times of war. Even Washington who is a professional soldier, spoke out about having a Standing Army in times of peace and the dangers of it. From: George Washington, Sentiments on a Peace Establishment Altho' a large standing Army in time of Peace hath ever been considered dangerous to the liberties of a Country, yet a few Troops, under certain circumstances, are not only safe, but indispensably necessary. Fortunately for us our relative situation requires but few. The same circumstances which so effectually retarded, and in the end conspired to defeat the attempts of Britain to subdue us, will now powerfully tend to render us secure. Our distance from the European States in a great degree frees us of apprehension, from their numerous regular forces and the Insults and dangers which are to be dreaded from their Ambition. You can litterally Google what the Founders had to say about a Standing Army and they echo my sentimates. I'm not saying we don't need an Army just not in its current state. I’m not “saying anything” you’re arguing a position, I’m merely citing the historical record. President Washington’s statements and writings are all good and well but when George Washington had the opportunity, authority and power to do so, neither he nor Congress deactivated nor disbanded the active duty Army https://armyhistory.org/first-american-regiment/  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached Filehttps://jtfncr.mdw.army.mil/oldguard/  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:26:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Phil_Billy: This, it amazing how many of you "Patriots" support a standing Army. The Founders warned us of this. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Phil_Billy: This, it amazing how many of you "Patriots" support a standing Army. The Founders warned us of this. Originally Posted By Phil_Billy: All Guard and Reserve Units have a fulltime mission and full time staff. I was an Air Reserve Technician for 15 years before transfering to another Government Agency. Good thing your high moral virtue is untouched because the founders said "Army" instead of "Air Force". The "poophole loophole" of the Founder's intent. Smart. Originally Posted By Phil_Billy: Glad I'm retiring in 2025. I have a feeling you aren't the only one. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:04:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Phil_Billy: They meant only to raise an Army in times of war. Even Washington who is a professional soldier, spoke out about having a Standing Army in times of peace and the dangers of it. From: George Washington, Sentiments on a Peace Establishment Altho' a large standing Army in time of Peace hath ever been considered dangerous to the liberties of a Country, yet a few Troops, under certain circumstances, are not only safe, but indispensably necessary. Fortunately for us our relative situation requires but few. The same circumstances which so effectually retarded, and in the end conspired to defeat the attempts of Britain to subdue us, will now powerfully tend to render us secure. Our distance from the European States in a great degree frees us of apprehension, from their numerous regular forces and the Insults and dangers which are to be dreaded from their Ambition. You can litterally Google what the Founders had to say about a Standing Army and they echo my sentimates. I'm not saying we don't need an Army just not in its current state. Your quote says that a standing army is indispensably necessary. That's the opposite of "We were not supposed to have a Standing Army." |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:07:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brosnarp: Your quote says that a standing army is indispensably necessary. That's the opposite of "We were not supposed to have a Standing Army." General Washington was the origin of the military saying “never stand if you can sit (etc, et al).” That’s why we aren’t supposed to have “a standing army.” |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:10:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: I’m not “saying anything” you’re arguing a position, I’m merely citing the historical record. President Washington’s statements and writings are all good and well but when George Washington had the opportunity, authority and power to do so, neither he nor Congress deactivated nor disbanded the active duty Army https://armyhistory.org/first-american-regiment/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_4184_jpeg-3214793.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_4185_jpeg-3214794.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_4186_jpeg-3214795.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_4187_jpeg-3214796.JPG https://jtfncr.mdw.army.mil/oldguard/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_4188_jpeg-3214799.JPG The founders believed in suffrage so they also believed in all the inevitable gay stuff it leads to. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:13:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:14:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: The founders believed in suffrage so they also believed in all the inevitable gay stuff it leads to. Powdered wigs and frilly shirts will do that  Seinfeld: The Puffy Shirt (Clip) | TBS |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:22:34 AM EDT
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You guys are mean and part of why our government is more of a threat than China and Russia.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:37:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AbleArcher: You guys are mean and part of why our government is more of a threat than China and Russia. Decline of Senior Officer Integrity This is actually what worries me the most, I think at the lower levels there are a lot of people in the military for the right things however at the senior levels I’m not so sure about that. The root cause of that problem is the pipeline for GOFOs insures that they get a massive amount of indoctrination from the progressives. |
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