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Posted: 3/20/2019 9:58:14 PM EDT

Let's say you have an LLC selling a product that breaks federal law. The federal government comes knocking on your door and you play the ignore game, hoping it goes away. You also immediately stop paying your debts, shutdown the entity in question, disappear from arfcom and get locked because your username is pretty close to your business name, and continue to ignore the federal government attorneys.

Let's pretend you end up with a default judgment of 4.1 million, but still continue to evade the feds. If you open a new business out of your residence while selling your previous product (still illegal), exactly how screwed are you when this all catches up to you?

This is all hypothetical.

Posted: 3/20/2019 9:59:50 PM EDT

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In

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$4.1 million? Gee, I wonder if that's enough scratch to call a lawyer over?

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:02:45 PM EDT

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who do i bill for this hypothetical?

@aimless

@otherarfcomattorneypeople

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:04:19 PM EDT

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This guy

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:05:06 PM EDT

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I have no idea what’s going on here

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:05:23 PM EDT

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Not a lawyer....so I’ll bill half of ^.

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:08:46 PM EDT

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Flat fee, $87.00.

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:13:26 PM EDT

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For this simulation, assume that long before default judgment you already fired a big city law firm on the other side of the country and a small town local lawyer.

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:13:42 PM EDT

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@aimless

@otherarfcomattorneypeople

Flat fee, $87.00.

Shouldn’t we do a percentage?

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:16:57 PM EDT

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who do i bill for this hypothetical?

@aimless

@otherarfcomattorneypeople

Flat fee, $87.00.

Shouldn’t we do a percentage?

Hypothetically?

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:17:16 PM EDT

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who do i bill for this hypothetical?

@aimless

@otherarfcomattorneypeople

Flat fee, $87.00.

Shouldn’t we do a percentage?

maleante,
you're fucked now, they're already negotiating for your bones.

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:18:53 PM EDT

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Asking for a friend

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:20:19 PM EDT

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Figured that was a given. 87% of course. For a lawyer you don’t seem very smart.

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:21:11 PM EDT

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Asking for a friend?

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:21:23 PM EDT

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Isn't he just a personal injury lawyer?

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:23:27 PM EDT

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I feel like there is a good story here.

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:30:07 PM EDT

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who do i bill for this hypothetical?

@aimless

@otherarfcomattorneypeople

Flat fee, $87.00.

Shouldn’t we do a percentage?

Hypothetically?

Sure. We’re just spitballing here. I just need to know what the split is.

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:31:53 PM EDT

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The government likes to pierce the corporate veil. Business owners and execs should also be aware of the DOJ's Yates Memo.

In short, pepper your angus cause they're going in dry, especially for a repeat offender. The LLC will provide virtually no protection.

Don't be surprised when they decide to go the criminal route (see the Yates Memo). It seems like an increasing number of FCA cases these days become criminal matters.

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:36:49 PM EDT

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I've got my yellow pad out...........keep posting and I'll bill you later

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:38:58 PM EDT

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not sure what you got yourself into but sounds like a fucking mess good luck

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:42:26 PM EDT

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who do i bill for this hypothetical?

@aimless

@otherarfcomattorneypeople

Flat fee, $87.00.

Shouldn’t we do a percentage?

Hypothetically?

Sure. We’re just spitballing here. I just need to know what the split is.

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:47:47 PM EDT

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Interesting start; has potential.

In for the next info dump.

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:51:45 PM EDT

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In such a scenario I would strongly suggest that the subject needs to stop pursuing his business activities involving illegal products or services, and switch to selling something that is harmless and legal in all 50 states.

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:54:11 PM EDT

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Good thing you are in Brazil. They don't go after you until it is $4.25M.

I hear that the Philippines is a nice place to visit with $4M.

Posted: 3/20/2019 10:57:59 PM EDT

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You should make a donation to the Clinton foundation. If you are selling guns to cartels without ATF approval they get mad as well. The government hates competition.

Posted: 3/20/2019 11:01:04 PM EDT

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Came here to post this, sounds intriguing though...maybe we can do a "sounds like"?

Posted: 3/20/2019 11:01:15 PM EDT

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I'd go with "I did it but never made a profit as I spent it all"
and claim the charity tax deduction.

lol

Posted: 3/20/2019 11:02:36 PM EDT

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You should definitely lie under oath to get out go this.

Posted: 3/20/2019 11:06:13 PM EDT

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Username matches OP's post.... hypothetically of course

Posted: 3/20/2019 11:16:40 PM EDT

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The government likes to pierce the corporate veil. Business owners and execs should also be aware of the DOJ's Yates Memo.

In short, pepper your angus cause they're going in dry, especially for a repeat offender. The LLC will provide virtually no protection.

Don't be surprised when they decide to go the criminal route (see the Yates Memo). It seems like an increasing number of FCA cases these days become criminal matters.

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This is a good angle.

The LLC is probably not providing any liability shield at this point. Most people who are trying to dodge default judgments don’t do it right.

Posted: 3/21/2019 12:56:22 AM EDT

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Two sets of fired lawyers followed by a multi-million dollar default judgment from the feds?

Posted: 3/21/2019 1:06:55 AM EDT

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Does anyone have any hints as to the backstory here? Maybe what the hypothetical, alleged illicit item sold was?

Posted: 3/21/2019 1:18:51 AM EDT

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@otherarfcomattorneypeople

Flat fee, $87.00.

Shouldn’t we do a percentage?

Quite right.

87% of $87 is 75.69.

Posted: 3/21/2019 1:45:32 AM EDT

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clearly OP is selling BFL infringment gear out of his moms basement (again)...just for coming clean ..on himself however... he gets a free bump in membership

Posted: 3/21/2019 2:08:03 AM EDT

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I do enjoyyour avatar sir

Posted: 3/21/2019 2:12:27 AM EDT

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ya, that is a clean beretta 92!

Posted: 3/21/2019 2:23:22 AM EDT

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Op forgot to add "Asking for a friend".

Posted: 3/21/2019 2:29:32 AM EDT

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The Feds are not thinking about criminal prosecution. They are already there. Someone just did not get the memo yet.
Completely ignored the court. Rendering a default judgment. Followed by a continuation of previous activity.
Yeah.. no lube will be provided a the Graybar hotel.

Posted: 3/21/2019 2:56:51 AM EDT

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As your attorney I would advise you to rent a convertible and start planning a weekend trip to a non extraditionary country. Hypothetically speaking of course.