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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:57:59 PM EDT
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My understanding was that the Texas injuction was limited to texas employees and their families.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:58:49 PM EDT
[#2]
What is a Texas Employee?
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:59:33 PM EDT
[#3]
“Texas Members”
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Posted: 7/11/2023 11:07:41 PM EDT
[#4]
Whose Families, and why?
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Posted: 7/11/2023 11:12:13 PM EDT
[#5]
BRACE THREAD!!!
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Posted: 7/11/2023 11:16:55 PM EDT
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If you are in the 5th circuit (TX), and belonged to GOA, FPC or SAF at the time the brace rules went into effect, you are covered by one of the three injunctions.
Most readings of the injunctions say it covers anyone who belonged to one of those organizations, but to my knowledge, there have been no arrests or test cases to prove it. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 11:18:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are in the 5th circuit (TX), and belonged to GOA, FPC or SAF at the time the brace rules went into effect, you are covered by one of the three injunctions. Most readings of the injunctions say it covers anyone who belonged to one of those organizations, but to my knowledge, there have been no arrests or test cases to prove it. So that's what they mean when Arfcom said the NRA screwed their members once again 
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Posted: 7/11/2023 11:19:12 PM EDT
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This still leaves a shitload of Felons.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 11:22:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/11/2023 11:25:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is a Texas Employee? I read that as an employee of the State of Texas. I work for UT, and that makes me an employee of the State of Texas. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 11:26:24 PM EDT
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I read that Maxim braces are covered too. Whatever that means.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 11:28:25 PM EDT
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Video covering the topic
Pretty good video on the topic...it's his take on the situation, but it seems pretty solid. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 11:30:28 PM EDT
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All Americans are exempt from the pistol brace ban. Do not comply with tyrants edicts.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 11:58:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are in the 5th circuit (TX), and belonged to GOA, FPC or SAF at the time the brace rules went into effect, you are covered by one of the three injunctions. Most readings of the injunctions say it covers anyone who belonged to one of those organizations, but to my knowledge, there have been no arrests or test cases to prove it. My understanding was more of the latter - if you are member of FPC, for example, you are supposedly covered by the exemption (regardless of your home state). |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 11:59:45 PM EDT
[#15]
We are still doing braces?
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Posted: 7/12/2023 12:06:07 AM EDT
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I’ve chosen to exempt myself.
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Posted: 7/12/2023 12:53:04 AM EDT
[#17]
Does it matter?
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Posted: 7/12/2023 1:05:09 AM EDT
[#18]
Oklahoma is exempt.
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Posted: 7/12/2023 7:44:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All Americans are exempt from the pistol brace ban. Do not comply with tyrants edicts. |
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Posted: 7/12/2023 7:55:00 AM EDT
[#20]
Texas will just say they are legal... go about your business.
Like suppressors |
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Posted: 7/12/2023 9:24:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oklahoma is exempt. Huh? How so? Oklahoma is not part of the 5th Circuit. |
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Posted: 7/12/2023 10:38:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All Americans are exempt from the pistol brace ban. Do not comply with tyrants edicts. That's as true now as it was before the injunction. |
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Posted: 7/12/2023 3:24:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Huh? How so? Oklahoma is not part of the 5th Circuit. @amannamedjed Oklahoma is a 2A Sanctuary State  Sheriffs Across Oklahoma Refuse To Enforce New ATF Rule  Sheriffs from Oklahoma counties stand against new ATF rule  Sheriff''s offices say they won''t enforce new ATF rule And a fb video of the Oklahoma County Sheriff. Sorry if you don't do fb https://fb.watch/lKJpJN2lBi/?mibextid=Nif5oz https://oksenate.gov/press-releases/senate-approves-measure-declaring-oklahoma-second-amendment-sanctuary-state The Senate gave approval to the Second Amendment Sanctuary State Act on Tuesday, which would preempt the entire field of legislation by any agency or political subdivision of the state to infringe upon the Second Amendment rights of Oklahoma citizens. Authored by Sen. Warren Hamilton, R-McCurtain, Senate Bill 631 states any federal, state, county or municipal act, law, executive order, administrative order, court order, rule, policy or regulation ordering the buy-back, confiscation or surrender of firearms, gun accessories or ammunition from law-abiding Oklahomans is an infringement against the right to keep and bear arms guaranteed by the United States Constitution. “This measure builds a wall of protection around our Constitutionally-protected, God-given, blood-bought rights to keep and bear arms,” Hamilton said. “Declaring Oklahoma as a Second Amendment Sanctuary State is an important ‘win’ in our battle to reclaim and protect our individual liberties. I’m thankful for the support of my colleagues approving the bill, as well as the Oklahoma Second Amendment Association and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership for their crucial assistance in getting it passed.” The measure is co-authored by Sen. Micheal Bergstrom, R-Adair; Sen. David Bullard, R-Durant; Sen. George Burns, R-Pollard; Sen. Nathan Dahm, R-Broken Arrow; Sen. Jessica Garvin, R-Duncan; Sen. Shane Jett, R-Shawnee; Sen. John Michael Montgomery, R-Lawton; Sen. Casey Murdock, R-Felt; Sen. Joe Newhouse, R-Tulsa; Sen. Roland Pederson, R-Burlington; Sen. Dewayne Pemberton, R-Muskogee; Sen. Cody Rogers, R-Tulsa; Sen. Rob Standridge, R-Norman; and Sen. Blake Stephens, R-Tahlequah. SB 631 is also supported by 23 Oklahoma sheriffs, including: Chris Amason, Cleveland County; Dennis Banther, Kingfisher County; Michael Burgetski, Cimarron County; Jason Chennault, Cherokee County; Dan Day, Custer County; Rodney Derryberry, LaFlore County; Damon Devereaux, Logan County; Joe Harper, Payne County; BJ Hedgecock, Pushmataha County; William Ingram, Tillman County; Joe Janz, Kiowa County; Steve Kelley, Kay County; Roger LeVick, Jackson County; Wayne McKinney, Stephens County; Kevin Mitchell, Woodward County; Chris Morris, Pittsburg County; Landy Offolter, McClain County; Darin Reames, Major County; Tim Turner, Haskell County; Darrin Varnell, Pawnee County; Chris West, Canadian County; Jeremie Wilson, Jefferson County; and Adam Woodruff, Latimer County. The measure now moves to the House of Representatives for further consideration. Rep. Sean Roberts, R-Hominy, is the principal House author. The measure is co-authored by Rep. Steve Bashore, R-Miami; Rep. Dean Davis, R-Broken Arrow; Rep. Jim Grego, R-Wilburton; Rep. David Hardin, R-Stillwell; Rep. Kevin McDugle, R-Broken Arrow; Rep. David Smith, R-Arpelar; and Rep. Kevin West, R-Moore. https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/ok-fight-atf-brace/468723 Edit* January 31, 2023 That’s not sitting well with some in law enforcement, however. In the past few days, several county sheriffs in Oklahoma, including those from the state’s two most populated counties—Oklahoma and Tulsa—have begun voicing their concerns, sending letters to their constituents explaining how they believe the rule to be unconstitutional and saying they don’t plan to enforce it. “This rule was signed almost two weeks after the Fifth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled against the ATF prohibiting ‘bump stocks,’” Tulsa County Sheriff Vince Regalado said in a letter to his constituents. “The Court stated that only Congress has the legislative authority to create or change laws and that the ‘bump stock’ does not meet the federal definition of a machine gun.” Regalado said the new pistol brace rule is yet another example of federal overreach, just like the now-blocked ban on bump stocks. “Once again, we are witnessing federal overreach that will not impact the criminal element but only the law-abiding citizens rights under the Constitution of the United States of America,” he concluded. “Therefore, it is the stance of the Tulsa County Sheriff’s office that we will not enforce, partake or support this rule because it is unconstitutional.” Payne County Sheriff Joe Harper was even more pointed in his letter to county residents. “If a Payne County deputy encounters someone possessing a firearm with a stabilizing pistol brace and that citizen is not using it in the commission of a crime, then no action will be taken in regard to this most recent DOJ rule,” Harper wrote. “The Payne County Sheriff’s Office will not participate in the confiscation of firearms based on this DOJ ‘rule’ nor will they attempt to enforce any federal guidelines or rules that conflict with Oklahoma State statutes which we are sworn to uphold.” Of course, sheriff’s vowing not to enforce unconstitutional laws is nothing new. Currently in Illinois, 85 of the state’s 102 sheriffs have vowed to not enforce the state’s new ban on semi-automatic rifles and accompanying registration requirements. In fact, a constitutional sheriffs movement, which has grown over the past few years, has drawn the ire of liberal groups, who call them “radicalized” and say they “promote disinformation.” The Southern Poverty Law Center—a left-leaning group that proclaims itself arbiter of who is and who isn’t a terrorist—even has a 2,600-plus word feature on its website explaining the danger of sheriffs who follow their oath to uphold the Constitution. Oklahoma sheriffs, however, aren’t the only state officials concerned about the pistol brace rule. Republican State Sen. Nathan Dahm sees the rule as a gross overreach and has filed legislation, Senate Bill 818, to protect the Second Amendment rights of Oklahomans. “The feds are continually looking for ways to circumvent the Constitution and trample our fundamental rights,” Dahm said when filing the measure. “The arbitrary and onerous pistol brace rule set by ATF—an agency filled with unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats—is just the latest example. We clearly cannot count on those in the swamp to protect our rights, so we must do it ourselves.” |
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Posted: 7/12/2023 3:27:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All Americans are exempt from the pistol brace ban. Do not comply with tyrants edicts. |
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Posted: 7/12/2023 3:30:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By that same logic, it makes braces irrelevant.  |
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Posted: 7/12/2023 3:34:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/12/2023 4:10:03 PM EDT
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Texans? EVERYONE is exempt, not just Texans. The ATF has no authority to create and enforce this ban, and Biden has no authority to direct them to do anything because he was selected, not elected. Do whatever the fuck you want.
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Posted: 7/12/2023 4:20:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Texans? EVERYONE is exempt, not just Texans. The ATF has no authority to create and enforce this ban, and Biden has no authority to direct them to do anything because he was selected, not elected. Do whatever the fuck you want. But never never go to  |
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Posted: 7/12/2023 4:20:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Huh? How so? Oklahoma is not part of the 5th Circuit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oklahoma is exempt. Huh? How so? Oklahoma is not part of the 5th Circuit. If you live in I.T., I bet y’all can claim a lot of exemptions. 
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Posted: 7/12/2023 4:29:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All Americans are exempt from the pistol brace ban. Do not comply with tyrants edicts. 
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Posted: 7/12/2023 5:02:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/12/2023 5:39:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: By that same logic, it makes braces irrelevant. 
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Posted: 7/12/2023 7:00:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Texans? EVERYONE is exempt, not just Texans. The ATF has no authority to create and enforce this ban, and Biden has no authority to direct them to do anything because he was selected, not elected. Do whatever the fuck you want. |
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Posted: 7/12/2023 7:00:57 PM EDT
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