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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:29:55 AM EDT
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Jesus said that we would be hated by all nations for His sake (Matthew 24:9). That presumably includes people who are of a more conservative leaning.
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:33:13 AM EDT
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Yes, I am agnostic and I see the anti-Christian campaign quite clearly.
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:35:35 AM EDT
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Absolutely, communism and Christianity cannot coexist.
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:38:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Absolutely, communism and Christianity cannot coexist. Yes and statism in any form (of which communism and socialism are only particularly blatant forms) and Christianity are likewise not compatible. Many so-called conservatives are hard core statists. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:40:28 AM EDT
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I know they are, I guess I'm making the argument that conservatives are catching up. In some ways it may be worse because so many Christians blindly trust conservatives.
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:43:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: More and more, even Arfcom as a community is becoming anti-Christian. The comments and general attitude towards Christians on this site is pretty appalling and is getting worse. Conservatives in power no longer hold Christian values, there is a lot of pandering for sure, but no genuine belief behind it. Just a sad observation I've had lately. OP is correct and this divide will only become the more stark. There are only two paradigms - that of "the world and the kingdoms of the air" and that of the "kingdom of heaven" and the former is at odds with the latter. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:47:48 AM EDT
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Yup.
All Christians are idiots for believing in "magic sky dude." Everyone knows proper conservatives/libertarians are too smart to believe in magic. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:51:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know they are, I guess I'm making the argument that conservatives are catching up. In some ways it may be worse because so many Christians blindly trust conservatives. Jesus Christ was crucified by an agreement of the world's systems at odds with his claim to be the true King and God. Highly religious both conservative and liberal (represented by the Pharisees and Sadducees, scribes, lawgivers, and Sanhedrin), and the Roman system of power, paganism and relative secularism whether embodied as statist materialistic, idolatrous, etc. All who reject Christ as true King and only Savior will be in enmity with the idea that this one King of the universe set both a moral standard and a narrow way of grace to salvation and an accountability to a final judge before them and will bring accusation against Him and ultimately His followers to absolve themselves rather than serve Him as King. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 11:01:15 AM EDT
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Yes. Liberals are far more anti Christian than conservatives . Libertarians are liberals so they fall into the former.
as for arf, I agree it’s far worse than it was when I joined. Just look at GD seething about the midterms. Look at how many people think abortion is a good thing if Dems, especially black Dems, abort their children. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 11:03:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. All Christians are idiots for believing in "magic sky dude." Everyone knows proper conservatives/libertarians are too smart to believe in magic. Yet they will trust the science - digging up a rock with a few lines of an ancient hieroglyph scratched on it or a broken piece of clay pottery and know without a shadow of a doubt that in all the billions of epochs it never came about by accidents of colliding molecules but was designed and created by an intelligent, purposeful human hand. And then turn around, ignoring every miracle of the created universe from the cosmos in their incredible wonder and design and every natural law of physics, every intricacy of biology and the mystery of consciousness and all of the incalculable ways all of these systems of design and artistry work together to allow life and breath and choice and beauty and refuse to begin by acknowledging God the Creator of all and giving thanks to Him for the very astonishing wonder of "how rare and beautiful it is just to exist." And thus begins the path of hardening, blaspheming, and enmity with that God, moving further and further from submission to and revelation of His Truth. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 11:35:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet they will trust the science - digging up a rock with a few lines of an ancient hieroglyph scratched on it or a broken piece of clay pottery and know without a shadow of a doubt that in all the billions of epochs it never came about by accidents of colliding molecules but was designed and created by an intelligent, purposeful human hand. And then turn around, ignoring every miracle of the created universe from the cosmos in their incredible wonder and design and every natural law of physics, every intricacy of biology and the mystery of consciousness and all of the incalculable ways all of these systems of design and artistry work together to allow life and breath and choice and beauty and refuse to begin by acknowledging God the Creator of all and giving thanks to Him for the very astonishing wonder of "how rare and beautiful it is just to exist." And thus begins the path of hardening, blaspheming, and enmity with that God, moving further and further from submission to and revelation of His Truth. Well said. Whenever I'm out in nature, it astounds me to think that people think this was all created by accident. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 11:37:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well said. Whenever I'm out in nature, it astounds me to think that people think this was all created by accident. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 11:43:22 AM EDT
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There are only two religions. Those who seek and follow the Lamb of God and those seduced by the great whore of all the earth.
Welcome to the last days. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 11:56:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet they will trust the science - digging up a rock with a few lines of an ancient hieroglyph scratched on it or a broken piece of clay pottery and know without a shadow of a doubt that in all the billions of epochs it never came about by accidents of colliding molecules but was designed and created by an intelligent, purposeful human hand. And then turn around, ignoring every miracle of the created universe from the cosmos in their incredible wonder and design and every natural law of physics, every intricacy of biology and the mystery of consciousness and all of the incalculable ways all of these systems of design and artistry work together to allow life and breath and choice and beauty and refuse to begin by acknowledging God the Creator of all and giving thanks to Him for the very astonishing wonder of "how rare and beautiful it is just to exist." And thus begins the path of hardening, blaspheming, and enmity with that God, moving further and further from submission to and revelation of His Truth. Just look into your own eye and wonder, what is missing from a series of mutations and accidents… Purpose. Like you said, everything around us is glorious and not an accident. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 12:08:37 PM EDT
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Amen Brother!
Revelation 3:16 King James Version 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 12:13:46 PM EDT
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First of all, Christians need to realize that they are not the only legitimate religion in the world. There are dozens of other religions that are protected by the First Amendment.
Christians need to STOP forcing their beliefs on all the rest of us. Current example, the bill in TX to put the 10 Commandments in all the public schools is a perfect example of this. As a group, CONSERVATIVE politicians massively targeted them and pander to them for votes. These politicians are the most evil, godless people around, but a little pandering gets you raised onto a platform and praised as if you can do no wrong. Trump is a perfect example of this. I'm not saying that he's not the correct choice, but that Christians chose him for a lot of wrong reasons because as a group, they seem to be very gullible. Politicians know how to play that crowd like a Stradivarius. Be in the world, not of the world. Believe, MYOB, stay out of everyone else's business, quit being pandered to. Just because a politician says God and Prayer and Right to Life in public doesn't mean they care about you and your beliefs, they just care about your vote. Pray in your closest like Jesus said, forgive those that trespass against you as God in heaven forgives your trespasses. Do that, and we'd all get along better. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 12:20:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First of all, Christians need to realize that they are not the only legitimate religion in the world. There are dozens of other religions that are protected by the First Amendment. Christians need to STOP forcing their beliefs on all the rest of us. Current example, the bill in TX to put the 10 Commandments in all the public schools is a perfect example of this. As a group, CONSERVATIVE politicians massively targeted them and pander to them for votes. These politicians are the most evil, godless people around, but a little pandering gets you raised onto a platform and praised as if you can do no wrong. Trump is a perfect example of this. I'm not saying that he's not the correct choice, but that Christians chose him for a lot of wrong reasons because as a group, they seem to be very gullible. Politicians know how to play that crowd like a Stradivarius. Be in the world, not of the world. Believe, MYOB, stay out of everyone else's business, quit being pandered to. Just because a politician says God and Prayer and Right to Life in public doesn't mean they care about you and your beliefs, they just care about your vote. Pray in your closest like Jesus said, forgive those that trespass against you as God in heaven forgives your trespasses. Do that, and we'd all get along better. Christianity and Judaism are the only legitimate religions in the world. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 12:35:09 PM EDT
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John 15:18, "If the world hates you, know that it hated Me before you."
As has been posted already in this thread, statism and Christianity cannot co-exist. Christians may want to leave the Left alone, but the Left doesn't want to leave Christians alone. Add to that the arrogant, angry atheists, phony Christians and aggressive materialists so prevalent in our culture; America and the West is becoming a very unfriendly terrain for orthodox Christians. That Churches and many denominations are shrinking is, in my estimation ultimately a good thing. Separate the wheat from the chaff. Having said that, I fear my kids and grandkids will be forced to make some difficult decisions in their lifetimes. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 12:57:29 PM EDT
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This thread will be purse swinging, stone throwing, strawmen, intellectual dishonesty, ignorance, etc..etc..
There are a few problems with the question too, the terms arent even really defined or set. What is a conservative today? unlikely everyone in the thread is using the same definition. What is a liberal? even less likely consistent since people use liberal when they are clearly talking about leftists, even leftists themselves. What is anti-Christian? is it really Non-Christian?, different Christian, Someone with disagreement on terms and practices or religion in politics, or a true anti-Christian? also terms like libertarian and atheists, which on this forum seem most commonly used by people who do not know what those words mean or are otherwise simply dishonest. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 1:04:01 PM EDT
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Leftists are godless Communists, they hate Christianity and its positive influence on the success of Western Civilization.
There are smug Atheists who think their religion is superior to Christianity because they "follow the science"...and "don't need fairy tales" to live a happy life...but somehow have to go out of their way to tell you that, so they can be happy apparrently. Then you have the smug "Christians" who enjoy poking at their Christian brothers and sisters who practice a different version, in particular the Catholics. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 1:06:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Christianity is the only legitimate religion in the world. I would include our Jewish cousins, it's not like they're an entirely separate religion, or that Jesus wasn't a Jew. We have a fundamental disagreement on the divinity of Christ, but we both worship the same God, and the precepts are similar. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 1:11:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pray in your closest like Jesus said, forgive those that trespass against you as God in heaven forgives your trespasses. Do that, and we'd all get along better. Jesus said this about prayer in secret because of the specific problem of hollow religious people trying to impress their religious neighbors of their piety. It had nothing to do with our boldness to witness to His name and His truth and our accountability to Him, especially when facing ridicule rather than praise for that proclamation. He of said those who are ashamed of Him, He will be ashamed of them before His Father. Removing our God-given moral foundations and acknowledgement of God from the public square is a form of pietism (not to be confused with "piety") utilized to get Christians to shut up and hide in their churches and acquiesce to competing ideas about the moral and philosophical reality being put into practice in society - and a silly, vapid idea partly because something else always fills the void left by that removal, and becomes the preeminent guiding standard of reality and moral right. The alternative is what you see in the striving of those rejecting God - a Tower of Babel or human utopia and collectivist achievement in one form or another as humans pontificate and struggle to "come together" and "all get along" for its own sake, building idols and monuments to themselves in a vain attempt to supplant God's kingship over them, with no adequate ruler, judge, and redeemer. The most "successful" of these sorts of Godless coming-together efforts ironically result in the most destructive spirals of wickedness and violence in the annals of history - time and time again. Jesus' Word says that friendship with the world is enmity with Christ, and that he came not to bring peace between mankind but a sword. Instead, he came to bring the peace and ministry of reconciliation between man and God, and that only in that reconciliation first with God can we achieve true peace with one another. Every other peace is hollow, short-lived, and doomed. This is paralleled in that He said the greatest commandment is our whole-being love of God, whereas the second, in subservience to and only truly fulfilled through it, is love of neighbor. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 1:26:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would include our Jewish cousins, it's not like they're an entirely separate religion, or that Jesus wasn't a Jew. We have a fundamental disagreement on the divinity of Christ, but we both worship the same God, and the precepts are similar. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Christianity is the only legitimate religion in the world. I would include our Jewish cousins, it's not like they're an entirely separate religion, or that Jesus wasn't a Jew. We have a fundamental disagreement on the divinity of Christ, but we both worship the same God, and the precepts are similar. I thought the same on my way back to work. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 1:34:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus said this about prayer in secret because of the specific problem of hollow religious people trying to impress their religious neighbors of their piety. It had nothing to do with our boldness to witness to His name and His truth and our accountability to Him, especially when facing ridicule rather than praise for that proclamation. He of said those who are ashamed of Him, He will be ashamed of them before His Father. Removing our God-given moral foundations and acknowledgement of God from the public square is a form of pietism (not to be confused with "piety") utilized to get Christians to shut up and hide in their churches and acquiesce to competing ideas about the moral and philosophical reality being put into practice in society - and a silly, vapid idea partly because something else always fills the void left by that removal, and becomes the preeminent guiding standard of reality and moral right. The alternative is what you see in the striving of those rejecting God - a Tower of Babel or human utopia and collectivist achievement in one form or another as humans pontificate and struggle to "come together" and "all get along" for its own sake, building idols and monuments to themselves in a vain attempt to supplant God's kingship over them, with no adequate ruler, judge, and redeemer. The most "successful" of these sorts of Godless coming-together efforts ironically result in the most destructive spirals of wickedness and violence in the annals of history - time and time again. Jesus' Word says that friendship with the world is enmity with Christ, and that he came not to bring peace between mankind but a sword. Instead, he came to bring the peace and ministry of reconciliation between man and God, and that only in that reconciliation first with God can we achieve true peace with one another. Every other peace is hollow, short-lived, and doomed. This is paralleled in that He said the greatest commandment is our whole-being love of God, whereas the second, in subservience to and only truly fulfilled through it, is love of neighbor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pray in your closest like Jesus said, forgive those that trespass against you as God in heaven forgives your trespasses. Do that, and we'd all get along better. Jesus said this about prayer in secret because of the specific problem of hollow religious people trying to impress their religious neighbors of their piety. It had nothing to do with our boldness to witness to His name and His truth and our accountability to Him, especially when facing ridicule rather than praise for that proclamation. He of said those who are ashamed of Him, He will be ashamed of them before His Father. Removing our God-given moral foundations and acknowledgement of God from the public square is a form of pietism (not to be confused with "piety") utilized to get Christians to shut up and hide in their churches and acquiesce to competing ideas about the moral and philosophical reality being put into practice in society - and a silly, vapid idea partly because something else always fills the void left by that removal, and becomes the preeminent guiding standard of reality and moral right. The alternative is what you see in the striving of those rejecting God - a Tower of Babel or human utopia and collectivist achievement in one form or another as humans pontificate and struggle to "come together" and "all get along" for its own sake, building idols and monuments to themselves in a vain attempt to supplant God's kingship over them, with no adequate ruler, judge, and redeemer. The most "successful" of these sorts of Godless coming-together efforts ironically result in the most destructive spirals of wickedness and violence in the annals of history - time and time again. Jesus' Word says that friendship with the world is enmity with Christ, and that he came not to bring peace between mankind but a sword. Instead, he came to bring the peace and ministry of reconciliation between man and God, and that only in that reconciliation first with God can we achieve true peace with one another. Every other peace is hollow, short-lived, and doomed. This is paralleled in that He said the greatest commandment is our whole-being love of God, whereas the second, in subservience to and only truly fulfilled through it, is love of neighbor. When I was in high school there was a nasty atheist that gained some fame from the faculty and students for suing to remove the Ten Commandments from the Courthouse. It was amazing how everyone amassed behind her and put her on some perverted pedestal like she was some savior. This was in the buckle of the bible belt in Baptist TN. While it was ongoing, can't remember the outcome, she was killed in a car accident on her way to school one morning. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 1:39:43 PM EDT
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It is a direct correlation to the clown world we live in. Know God Know Peace. No Go No Peace. Folks don't want sky fairies telling them they can't have an affair or abortion etc.
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Posted: 5/9/2023 2:21:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Absolutely, communism and Christianity cannot coexist. They also are fakers like Biden. They say they are Christians and may go to church on occasion but that is just keeping up appearances. They are toxic and are the first ones to undermine faith behind the scenes. They are the ultimate in evil. Socialism = COMMUNISM, FASCISM and MARXISM all in one package. Their anti GOD agenda is no longer being hidden! |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 3:21:01 PM EDT
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Father Altman nailed it in this video. One of the most forthright declarations I have ever heard come from any Christian
 Fr. Altman: You cannot be Catholic & a Democrat. Period. (Part I) With the standards of what it means to be a Christian slipping in almost every denomination everywhere as many of them bend their knee to the inclusivity god of this world, Cotton made a bold statement and drew a line in the firm earth of faith. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 4:31:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Father Altman nailed it in this video. One of the most forthright declarations I have ever heard come from any Christian  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-7eoTN2vNMWith the standards of what it means to be a Christian slipping in almost every denomination everywhere as many of them bend their knee to the inclusivity god of this world, Cotton made a bold statement and drew a line in the firm earth of faith. I’ve told several people that recently actually. The general consensus in this area is if you are a Catholic, you are a Democrat. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 5:15:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are only two religions. Those who seek and follow the Lamb of God and those seduced by the great whore of all the earth. Welcome to the last days. We pay the price for the country being obsessed with the sins of the flesh. God told us we would suffer when we dismissed his commandments. I mean, libs ruling over us, mutilating kids, drag strip shows with kids, dudes banging dudes, schools sexualizing children, criminals being made to seem like they are victims, no rights for victims of crime, opening borders allowing millions of unknowns to come into our country to rape and pillage, denying basic biology, and more. We're ruled by those that hate us, just like the bible said would happen. Leviticus: 14 “‘But if you will not listen to me and carry out all these commands, 15 and if you reject my decrees and abhor my laws and fail to carry out all my commands and so violate my covenant, 16 then I will do this to you: I will bring on you sudden terror, wasting diseases and fever that will destroy your sight and sap your strength. You will plant seed in vain, because your enemies will eat it. 17 I will set my face against you so that you will be defeated by your enemies; those who hate you will rule over you, and you will flee even when no one is pursuing you. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 5:46:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would include our Jewish cousins, it's not like they're an entirely separate religion, or that Jesus wasn't a Jew. We have a fundamental disagreement on the divinity of Christ, but we both worship the same God, and the precepts are similar. Only the Jews who renounce the Talmud and its blasphemy against Jesus and His mother. Quite frankly I have more common ground in my belief system with my Islamic "cousins" than the Talmudic Jews and even that is a massive stretch. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 6:00:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only the Jews who renounce the Talmud and its blasphemy against Jesus and His mother. Quite frankly I have more common ground in my belief system with my Islamic "cousins" than the Talmudic Jews and even that is a massive stretch. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I would include our Jewish cousins, it's not like they're an entirely separate religion, or that Jesus wasn't a Jew. We have a fundamental disagreement on the divinity of Christ, but we both worship the same God, and the precepts are similar. Only the Jews who renounce the Talmud and its blasphemy against Jesus and His mother. Quite frankly I have more common ground in my belief system with my Islamic "cousins" than the Talmudic Jews and even that is a massive stretch. I did some research at a synagogue when I was in seminary. I was amazed to walk through the synagogue and see paintings of the Messiah entering Jerusalem riding a donkey's colt. The evidence is right before their eyes but they are blinded. I have heard Jews say too many things against Jesus and the Christian faith that went beyond blasphemy for me to believe they actually worship the same God. Jesus had some very strong statements about the standing of Jews with God. Read those and tell me we worship the same God as Talmudic Judaism. For my part, I support their right to worship as they see fit, same as I do for peaceful Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 6:05:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve told several people that recently actually. The general consensus in this area is if you are a Catholic, you are a Democrat. Goes back to JFK. The older Catholics still believe it is the Dems keeping the Irish, Polish, and Italian working class poor from being exploited by the WASP fat cats. All the progressive issues are ignored. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 7:19:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First of all, Christians need to realize that they are not the only legitimate religion in the world. There are dozens of other religions that are protected by the First Amendment. Christians need to STOP forcing their beliefs on all the rest of us. Current example, the bill in TX to put the 10 Commandments in all the public schools is a perfect example of this. As a group, CONSERVATIVE politicians massively targeted them and pander to them for votes. These politicians are the most evil, godless people around, but a little pandering gets you raised onto a platform and praised as if you can do no wrong. Trump is a perfect example of this. I'm not saying that he's not the correct choice, but that Christians chose him for a lot of wrong reasons because as a group, they seem to be very gullible. Politicians know how to play that crowd like a Stradivarius. Be in the world, not of the world. Believe, MYOB, stay out of everyone else's business, quit being pandered to. Just because a politician says God and Prayer and Right to Life in public doesn't mean they care about you and your beliefs, they just care about your vote. Pray in your closest like Jesus said, forgive those that trespass against you as God in heaven forgives your trespasses. Do that, and we'd all get along better. No, I don’t think I will. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 8:34:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/9/2023 9:15:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First of all, Christians need to realize that they are not the only legitimate religion in the world. There are dozens of other religions that are protected by the First Amendment. Christians need to STOP forcing their beliefs on all the rest of us. Current example, the bill in TX to put the 10 Commandments in all the public schools is a perfect example of this. As a group, CONSERVATIVE politicians massively targeted them and pander to them for votes. These politicians are the most evil, godless people around, but a little pandering gets you raised onto a platform and praised as if you can do no wrong. Trump is a perfect example of this. I'm not saying that he's not the correct choice, but that Christians chose him for a lot of wrong reasons because as a group, they seem to be very gullible. Politicians know how to play that crowd like a Stradivarius. Be in the world, not of the world. Believe, MYOB, stay out of everyone else's business, quit being pandered to. Just because a politician says God and Prayer and Right to Life in public doesn't mean they care about you and your beliefs, they just care about your vote. Pray in your closest like Jesus said, forgive those that trespass against you as God in heaven forgives your trespasses. Do that, and we'd all get along better. Neutrality doesn't exist. There is good, and there is evil. You don't get to sit on the sidelines and just "let people make up their minds" and expect everything to be okay. Evil isn't sitting on the sidelines, and "getting along" isn't the most important issue. There is a war going on between good and evil. Nobody gets to play Switzerland. Everybody is on a side, whether they know it or not. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:04:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did some research at a synagogue when I was in seminary. I was amazed to walk through the synagogue and see paintings of the Messiah entering Jerusalem riding a donkey's colt. The evidence is right before their eyes but they are blinded. I have heard Jews say too many things against Jesus and the Christian faith that went beyond blasphemy for me to believe they actually worship the same God. Jesus had some very strong statements about the standing of Jews with God. Read those and tell me we worship the same God as Talmudic Judaism. For my part, I support their right to worship as they see fit, same as I do for peaceful Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. New York Leftist Democrat voting "Jews", or Orthodox Jews? |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:22:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I don’t think I will. Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I don’t think I will.  Attached FileQuoted: More and more, even Arfcom as a community is becoming anti-Christian. The comments and general attitude towards Christians on this site is pretty appalling and is getting worse. Conservatives in power no longer hold Christian values, there is a lot of pandering for sure, but no genuine belief behind it. Just a sad observation I've had lately. With the assumption that we're loosely defining (a) conservative to mean those who favor individual freedom*, lower government spending, and generally vote republican, and (b) liberal to mean those who favor less individual freedom, higher government spending, and generally vote democrat, I'll be painting with a very broad brush here. Obviously, one size does not fit all and this is not a perfect categorization. It seems to me that, as it relates to the context of your post, three anti-Christian groups stand out from the political perspective: 1. The children of darkness. These are those who serve the prince of darkness knowingly or unknowingly for love of destroying what's good. I believe that these primarily fall in the liberal group defined above and are far more anti-Christian than conservatives. 2. The useful idiots. These are poor souls who have bought into perverted ideologies and believe that these ideologies will save the world. I believe that these too primarily fall in the liberal group defined above and are more anti-Christian than conservatives. 3. The ingrate opportunists. These are people who see things more clearly, but compromise with or even cherish some of the perverted ideologies because they believe that they benefit from them. I believe that this group may primarily contain conservatives as defined above. Personally, I find them more reprehensible than the useful idiots. So, are liberals more anti-Christian than conservatives? Yes, I believe so. As it pertains to arfcom, while it does seem to have become more ostensibly anti-Christian, it's usually the same loud contingent and I don't believe that they are anywhere near a majority. I'm sure there is plenty above that folks can rightfully disagree with. Just some quick thoughts worth every penny you paid. 
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:24:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/B926BC70-2451-4EC1-A889-3A3C070B9F9D-404.gif With the assumption that we're loosely defining (a) conservative to mean those who favor individual freedom*, lower government spending, and generally vote republican, and (b) liberal to mean those who favor less individual freedom, higher government spending, and generally vote democrat, I'll be painting with a very broad brush here. Obviously, one size does not fit all and this is not a perfect categorization. It seems to me that, as it relates to the context of your post, three anti-Christian groups stand out from the political perspective: 1. The children of darkness. These are those who serve the prince of darkness knowingly or unknowingly for love of destroying what's good. I believe that these primarily fall in the liberal group defined above and are far more anti-Christian than conservatives. 2. The useful idiots. These are poor souls who have bought into perverted ideologies and believe that these ideologies will save the world. I believe that these too primarily fall in the liberal group defined above and are more anti-Christian than conservatives. 3. The ingrate opportunists. These are people who see things more clearly, but compromise with or even cherish some of the perverted ideologies because they believe that they benefit from them. I believe that this group may primarily contain conservatives as defined above. Personally, I find them more reprehensible than the useful idiots. So, are liberals more anti-Christian than conservatives? Yes, I believe so. As it pertains to arfcom, while it does seem to have become more ostensibly anti-Christian, it's usually the same loud contingent and I don't believe that they are anywhere near a majority. I'm sure there is plenty above that folks can rightfully disagree with. Just some quick thoughts worth every penny you paid. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, I don’t think I will. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/B926BC70-2451-4EC1-A889-3A3C070B9F9D-404.gif Quoted: More and more, even Arfcom as a community is becoming anti-Christian. The comments and general attitude towards Christians on this site is pretty appalling and is getting worse. Conservatives in power no longer hold Christian values, there is a lot of pandering for sure, but no genuine belief behind it. Just a sad observation I've had lately. With the assumption that we're loosely defining (a) conservative to mean those who favor individual freedom*, lower government spending, and generally vote republican, and (b) liberal to mean those who favor less individual freedom, higher government spending, and generally vote democrat, I'll be painting with a very broad brush here. Obviously, one size does not fit all and this is not a perfect categorization. It seems to me that, as it relates to the context of your post, three anti-Christian groups stand out from the political perspective: 1. The children of darkness. These are those who serve the prince of darkness knowingly or unknowingly for love of destroying what's good. I believe that these primarily fall in the liberal group defined above and are far more anti-Christian than conservatives. 2. The useful idiots. These are poor souls who have bought into perverted ideologies and believe that these ideologies will save the world. I believe that these too primarily fall in the liberal group defined above and are more anti-Christian than conservatives. 3. The ingrate opportunists. These are people who see things more clearly, but compromise with or even cherish some of the perverted ideologies because they believe that they benefit from them. I believe that this group may primarily contain conservatives as defined above. Personally, I find them more reprehensible than the useful idiots. So, are liberals more anti-Christian than conservatives? Yes, I believe so. As it pertains to arfcom, while it does seem to have become more ostensibly anti-Christian, it's usually the same loud contingent and I don't believe that they are anywhere near a majority. I'm sure there is plenty above that folks can rightfully disagree with. Just some quick thoughts worth every penny you paid. 16 pennies good sir. 
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Posted: 5/12/2023 12:43:20 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well said. Whenever I'm out in nature, it astounds me to think that people think this was all created by accident. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yet they will trust the science - digging up a rock with a few lines of an ancient hieroglyph scratched on it or a broken piece of clay pottery and know without a shadow of a doubt that in all the billions of epochs it never came about by accidents of colliding molecules but was designed and created by an intelligent, purposeful human hand. And then turn around, ignoring every miracle of the created universe from the cosmos in their incredible wonder and design and every natural law of physics, every intricacy of biology and the mystery of consciousness and all of the incalculable ways all of these systems of design and artistry work together to allow life and breath and choice and beauty and refuse to begin by acknowledging God the Creator of all and giving thanks to Him for the very astonishing wonder of "how rare and beautiful it is just to exist." And thus begins the path of hardening, blaspheming, and enmity with that God, moving further and further from submission to and revelation of His Truth. Well said. Whenever I'm out in nature, it astounds me to think that people think this was all created by accident. This thought is what reignited my faith, and the more I contemplate it, the more sure I am. From the design of every creature and plant |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 12:56:40 PM EDT
[#40]
Entropy doesn't apply to biological beings, don't you know, who clearly become more complex over time. All those monkeys pushing buttons, you know?
probably my granddaughter's granddaughter will be a superhero with wings and x-ray vision. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 1:14:28 PM EDT
[#41]
I am Agnostic. Liberals tend to hate Christianity because it reminds them that among other things mutilating children's private parts and getting their asses pounded by dozens of other men is morally wrong.
So they lash out in retaliation. The Muslims seem to get a pass in all this because they support unchecked immigration. ETA: You don't have to be involved in organized religion to have a sense of common decency. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 1:24:02 PM EDT
[#42]
The government is their god
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Posted: 5/12/2023 1:27:40 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/B926BC70-2451-4EC1-A889-3A3C070B9F9D-404.gif With the assumption that we're loosely defining (a) conservative to mean those who favor individual freedom*, lower government spending, and generally vote republican, and (b) liberal to mean those who favor less individual freedom, higher government spending, and generally vote democrat, I'll be painting with a very broad brush here. Obviously, one size does not fit all and this is not a perfect categorization. It seems to me that, as it relates to the context of your post, three anti-Christian groups stand out from the political perspective: 1. The children of darkness. These are those who serve the prince of darkness knowingly or unknowingly for love of destroying what's good. I believe that these primarily fall in the liberal group defined above and are far more anti-Christian than conservatives. 2. The useful idiots. These are poor souls who have bought into perverted ideologies and believe that these ideologies will save the world. I believe that these too primarily fall in the liberal group defined above and are more anti-Christian than conservatives. 3. The ingrate opportunists. These are people who see things more clearly, but compromise with or even cherish some of the perverted ideologies because they believe that they benefit from them. I believe that this group may primarily contain conservatives as defined above. Personally, I find them more reprehensible than the useful idiots. So, are liberals more anti-Christian than conservatives? Yes, I believe so. As it pertains to arfcom, while it does seem to have become more ostensibly anti-Christian, it's usually the same loud contingent and I don't believe that they are anywhere near a majority. I'm sure there is plenty above that folks can rightfully disagree with. Just some quick thoughts worth every penny you paid. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, I don’t think I will. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/B926BC70-2451-4EC1-A889-3A3C070B9F9D-404.gif Quoted: More and more, even Arfcom as a community is becoming anti-Christian. The comments and general attitude towards Christians on this site is pretty appalling and is getting worse. Conservatives in power no longer hold Christian values, there is a lot of pandering for sure, but no genuine belief behind it. Just a sad observation I've had lately. With the assumption that we're loosely defining (a) conservative to mean those who favor individual freedom*, lower government spending, and generally vote republican, and (b) liberal to mean those who favor less individual freedom, higher government spending, and generally vote democrat, I'll be painting with a very broad brush here. Obviously, one size does not fit all and this is not a perfect categorization. It seems to me that, as it relates to the context of your post, three anti-Christian groups stand out from the political perspective: 1. The children of darkness. These are those who serve the prince of darkness knowingly or unknowingly for love of destroying what's good. I believe that these primarily fall in the liberal group defined above and are far more anti-Christian than conservatives. 2. The useful idiots. These are poor souls who have bought into perverted ideologies and believe that these ideologies will save the world. I believe that these too primarily fall in the liberal group defined above and are more anti-Christian than conservatives. 3. The ingrate opportunists. These are people who see things more clearly, but compromise with or even cherish some of the perverted ideologies because they believe that they benefit from them. I believe that this group may primarily contain conservatives as defined above. Personally, I find them more reprehensible than the useful idiots. So, are liberals more anti-Christian than conservatives? Yes, I believe so. As it pertains to arfcom, while it does seem to have become more ostensibly anti-Christian, it's usually the same loud contingent and I don't believe that they are anywhere near a majority. I'm sure there is plenty above that folks can rightfully disagree with. Just some quick thoughts worth every penny you paid. A solid summary, abnk. When I hear/read Leftist commentary, I tend to find myself grouping them in similar ways as the three points you outlined above. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 1:49:12 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am Agnostic. Liberals tend to hate Christianity because it reminds them that among other things mutilating children's private parts and getting their asses pounded by dozens of other men is morally wrong. So they lash out in retaliation. The Muslims seem to get a pass in all this because they support unchecked immigration. ETA: You don't have to be involved in organized religion to have a sense of common decency. Muslims were also seen to have been persecuted during the early years of the War on Terror, so they are seen as a protected class free from being criticized. As for not having religion to have “common decency,” what do you mean by that phrase? And where do you get a definition for what it means? |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 1:49:52 PM EDT
[#45]
Hard to support abortion at 9 months, pedophilia, gender transition for kids, and be a Christian.
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Posted: 5/12/2023 2:02:07 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Muslims were also seen to have been persecuted during the early years of the War on Terror, so they are seen as a protected class free from being criticized. As for not having religion to have “common decency,” what do you mean by that phrase? And where do you get a definition for what it means? What I mean is you don't need religion to know that giving children puberty blockers and cutting off their penis is wrong. You don't need religion to know that having sex with children and grooming them is wrong. You don't need religion to know that looting a store and burning it down is wrong. You don't need religion to know that teachers grooming children in school against their parents will is wrong. Most of this is common sense/basic decency and was not given any thought just a few short years ago.. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 2:07:34 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What I mean is you don't need religion to know that giving children puberty blockers and cutting off their penis is wrong. You don't need religion to know that having sex with children and grooming them is wrong. You don't need religion to know that looting a store and burning it down is wrong. You don't need religion to know that teachers grooming children in school against their parents will is wrong. Most of this is common sense/basic decency and was not given any thought just a few short years ago.. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Muslims were also seen to have been persecuted during the early years of the War on Terror, so they are seen as a protected class free from being criticized. As for not having religion to have “common decency,” what do you mean by that phrase? And where do you get a definition for what it means? What I mean is you don't need religion to know that giving children puberty blockers and cutting off their penis is wrong. You don't need religion to know that having sex with children and grooming them is wrong. You don't need religion to know that looting a store and burning it down is wrong. You don't need religion to know that teachers grooming children in school against their parents will is wrong. Most of this is common sense/basic decency and was not given any thought just a few short years ago.. Where does our humanity come from? If it is inside all of us, where does that special gift of humanity come from? |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 2:17:55 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where does our humanity come from? If it is inside all of us, where does that special gift of humanity come from? That would depend on who you ask. Do you think without organized religion I would want to molest children and loot stores? I consider it common sense and basic decency and have not attended church, or consider myself a practicing Christian. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 2:48:03 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What I mean is you don't need religion to know that giving children puberty blockers and cutting off their penis is wrong. You don't need religion to know that having sex with children and grooming them is wrong. You don't need religion to know that looting a store and burning it down is wrong. You don't need religion to know that teachers grooming children in school against their parents will is wrong. Most of this is common sense/basic decency and was not given any thought just a few short years ago.. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Muslims were also seen to have been persecuted during the early years of the War on Terror, so they are seen as a protected class free from being criticized. As for not having religion to have “common decency,” what do you mean by that phrase? And where do you get a definition for what it means? What I mean is you don't need religion to know that giving children puberty blockers and cutting off their penis is wrong. You don't need religion to know that having sex with children and grooming them is wrong. You don't need religion to know that looting a store and burning it down is wrong. You don't need religion to know that teachers grooming children in school against their parents will is wrong. Most of this is common sense/basic decency and was not given any thought just a few short years ago.. I would say that you are correct. Why do you think these things are common or basic? |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 3:25:24 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Entropy doesn't apply to biological beings, don't you know, who clearly become more complex over time. All those monkeys pushing buttons, you know? probably my granddaughter's granddaughter will be a superhero with wings and x-ray vision. I have to say that taking thermodynamics in college was the most eye opening course ever. I was already a long time Christian and had a passing knowledge of the existence of the first and second laws of thermodynamics, but sitting in the class and learning the math was a mind expanding experience. |
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