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Its not muh tax money. Its muh money is being given to scumbags, criminals, and woke ideologies that do nothing but promote division, and we have homeless and mentally ill people right here, and those trillions we give out would be better spent here, so all our lives are not crappy, so we could maybe hire more law enforcement, so we have decent streets, have programs for the ill and pathetic...

But no, we get to fall apart as a nation, while these scumbags, give it to themselves, and to other countries which get squandered away and so everyone but the politicians get fucked and get nothing but a harder way to go.

That is the problem with muh money.


So OP, you must have voted for biden, you are ignored.

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Leftists are not successful.
They are good at repeating what the TV says.

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Conservatives suffer from tall poppy syndrome. When anyone rises to take the reigns and lead the group you hear "they're not a real Conservative!" Just like in religion "they're not a real Christian!" The group cannot solidify like the democrats do. The democrats lined up behind a sack of dog shit like biden...

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You'll notice that the "muh money" complaints are not universal though.  There are no real complaints about "muh money" when it comes to the biggest expenditure every year, the US military.  Almost no conservatives were bitching at the 2.3 Trillion dollar covid relief package Trump passed.  Or the 1 Trillion dollar PPP loan forgiveness Trump ran.  Or the Iraq war or the Afghanistan war.  And on and on and on and on.

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So, inspired by yet another of the billion Ukraine threads, I'm really starting to wonder if "Conservatives" are just selfish ?

It seems all the core complaints are around "muh money".

Jobs -

"Conservatives" will complain about the lefts radicalization of schools, administrative government, tech industry and the entertainment industry - however no "Good Conservatives" would ever enter those fields to drive ideological changes.

Schools pay shit, .GOV is for lazy unionists and only soy-boys do tech and entertainment. We need to be skilled trades, small business, farmers and STIM. There is never an ideological motivation behind employment, no desire to take over an industry and use it to change the world around us. It's about getting a good paying job and taking care of yourself.

Political Activism : The left has no problem taking time away from watching Netflix and protesting. Hell, many have no problem taking one for the team and catching a charge for vandalism or rioting. Anti-2A stuff is able to pull in millions in donations but Pro-2A people would rather just "stack deep and hope to get grand fathered".

In fact, that's the whole political outlook -  "Prep" and sit back and wait for things to REALLY get bad and let the "shooting start" - "Gonna crush them Antifa Pussies".

Except... no one did anything. From ranting about masks and vaxs, stolen elections, cities burning.. no one really does anything. Rather just complain about Desantis vs. Trump. Worried about voting fraud - anyone sign up to be a poll worker yet?

The all the main complaints -

Immigration - "muh tax money for welfare, took muh job"
Welfare - "muh tax money"
Ukraine - "muh tax money"
F35 - "muh tax money"
Random Liberal State does something dumb - "ha ha, move to a free state"
Liberals Move to Free State, and ruin it - "nooo muh free state"

The left is beating us and taking over - but nobody has the will to actually donate money, start causes, and get involved to change the ideological landscape. It's just sitting back and whining with a "I got mine, screw  you" mentality. It's always about the money and never about the greater ideological goal.

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You'll notice that the "muh money" complaints are not universal though.  There are no real complaints about "muh money" when it comes to the biggest expenditure every year, the US military.  Almost no conservatives were bitching at the 2.3 Trillion dollar covid relief package Trump passed.  Or the 1 Trillion dollar PPP loan forgiveness Trump ran.  Or the Iraq war or the Afghanistan war.  And on and on and on and on.

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So, inspired by yet another of the billion Ukraine threads, I'm really starting to wonder if "Conservatives" are just selfish ?

It seems all the core complaints are around "muh money".

Jobs -

"Conservatives" will complain about the lefts radicalization of schools, administrative government, tech industry and the entertainment industry - however no "Good Conservatives" would ever enter those fields to drive ideological changes.

Schools pay shit, .GOV is for lazy unionists and only soy-boys do tech and entertainment. We need to be skilled trades, small business, farmers and STIM. There is never an ideological motivation behind employment, no desire to take over an industry and use it to change the world around us. It's about getting a good paying job and taking care of yourself.

Political Activism : The left has no problem taking time away from watching Netflix and protesting. Hell, many have no problem taking one for the team and catching a charge for vandalism or rioting. Anti-2A stuff is able to pull in millions in donations but Pro-2A people would rather just "stack deep and hope to get grand fathered".

In fact, that's the whole political outlook -  "Prep" and sit back and wait for things to REALLY get bad and let the "shooting start" - "Gonna crush them Antifa Pussies".

Except... no one did anything. From ranting about masks and vaxs, stolen elections, cities burning.. no one really does anything. Rather just complain about Desantis vs. Trump. Worried about voting fraud - anyone sign up to be a poll worker yet?

The all the main complaints -

Immigration - "muh tax money for welfare, took muh job"
Welfare - "muh tax money"
Ukraine - "muh tax money"
F35 - "muh tax money"
Random Liberal State does something dumb - "ha ha, move to a free state"
Liberals Move to Free State, and ruin it - "nooo muh free state"

The left is beating us and taking over - but nobody has the will to actually donate money, start causes, and get involved to change the ideological landscape. It's just sitting back and whining with a "I got mine, screw  you" mentality. It's always about the money and never about the greater ideological goal.


Nice summation

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As a political ideology that is doomed to extinction. This isn't the 1800's on the frontier.

One side wants to mind your business, get involved, and take control.  The other side wants to be left alone and doesn't get involved, holes up, and keeps their heads down.  

Which side do you think is going to control everything?  We see it now.

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Ok youngin.

That’s because the fix is incredibly violent and I doubt you and the OP are ready for it ?

Be 100% accepting to pulling the trigger on 30%+  that stand opposed. With zero remorse.
Go full out "punisher" on them as they resist efforts to remove those subverting the constitution and our way of life.

If are not 100% committed to that. There is no winning. The time for further discussion has past.
We are not ready to take it back. Not enough of the population has been trampled by government yet.
Call me when 250k armed patriots are ready to go physically remove those that continue to subvert all we hold dear and shoot those that defend them with force.
6 people that like each other can’t agree on where to go for dinner !

We are not ready. We can’t win. Government has not trampled enough citizens yet.
We are on that path but no where close to it.

I’m going to continue with the hope we can still vote our way out.
My ammo fort says plan for the worst and hope for the best.

Don’t forget. Those people you are bashing about not showing up are the ones actually keeping the Country moving. They are fucking busy getting shit done. It’s called work !

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And yet, have you done anything to change who is making decisions on how the money is spent?

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And the idea that a minority of the nation is going to violently overthrow the government, and then subjugate/kill enough of the population to cow the majority, then establish a free nation without any foreign interventions isn't realistic.  After all they would have to disenfranchise a significant percentage of the population this is just going to vote to get us right back where we were.  The only thing remotely viable is a disintegration of the Union.  

But then for example in red Missouri the main urban population centers are totally blue.  Would they be nice and happy being part of some new right wing splinter nation?  I doubt it.  So you kill them all, displace them all, or what?  Foreign nations would probably get involved.  


I don't see any decent way this all ends. Most of the world would line up behind the leftists.

really sucks.

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You are making my point.

You are mad that Tax money is wasted.

What have you done to control how that tax money is spent? I'm assuming you are under the impression the Political and Administrative Government powers are run by wasteful greedy leftist.  Why is it only the left can get AOC and Bernie in office? Where is the "Conservative" versions?  They all turn out to be statists.

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For being a bunch of lazy soy boys who’s don’t work, the left sure has managed to infiltrate pretty much every sector.

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You are not wrong.  The most common excuse for anything is "but I have a job"...implying the left doesn't work.  Yet the left owns and controls social media, news media, all big tech, and all major manufacturing companies.

There was a thread a few weeks back asking if people donated to politicians.  Most people responded by bragging that they never donated a cent and never will.  My sig line falls on deaf ears until it is too late and then they scream "why didn't someone else do something".

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Imagine how lucky we'd be to get the mirror version of AOC. I don't think anyone here would support that person though.

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Not necessarily all about money but your overall theory is likely on point.  I think it is more the sit back and wait, hide in my hole, put my head down and prepare ....waiting, preparing for the shoot.

 I think a lot of the conservative base has given up ( I don't blame them) and instead of fighting the downfall is waiting to fight afyer the fall. Which is stupid and part of why we loose....plus if you won't fight now, why would you fight later. The left is certainly better at fighting than the right.

I get it.  I have admitted on this board that I regularly hold back.  If I said even a fraction of the things lefties said in public (from a conservative viewpoit) it would negatively affect my business ( and my family) and I don't believe for a second that conservatives would stand out and stand up for me.

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No. Most Conservatives, TRUE Conservatives, really just want to be left alone. They don't want to get involved or for their government to et them involved in anyone else's bullshit.

Just leave us the fuck alone.

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As far as boomers care, they just want to conserve their social security and retirement benefits and don't care about anything else.

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Imagine a cluster of homes in the middle of a desert, with a single spring that provides enough water for everyone’s needs. The community has a few liberals, with the rest being conservative and unaffiliated.

The conservatives believe no one person or group should control the well, and that it should simply be available to use at any time by those who need it. The liberals decide they should be allowed to take control of the well, and control who can have water, and when, and how much, because they know better about how much water everyone needs.

When the liberals announce their plans to take over the well, the conservatives politely say they wish they wouldn’t do that because no one should have control of the well. The unaffiliated really have no idea, but the liberals do seem pretty smart and the conservatives haven’t really offered much of an argument.

As the liberals begin putting up fences around the well, the conservatives tell them they wish they wouldn’t do that, but don’t actually try to stop them because control of the well is not something anyone should try to gain.

After liberals take control of the well, the conservatives will sit around, sick from dehydration, complaining about the liberals having control of the well and how badly the liberals have screwed up the community by rationing water that doesn’t need to be rationed. When one of the younger children asks one of the conservative adults why they don’t take control of the well and allow everyone to have more water, the child will be told that taking control of the well would violate their principals, because “no one group should have control of the well - not even us.”

And it’s like this with every single issue.

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Dig a well.

There’s two problems. 1)You let liberals in, 2) you won’t just dig a well.