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Posted: 1/23/2021 10:37:30 PM EDT
[#1]
These guys ship quick usually.
https://sleepinggiantbrass.com/45-70-brass |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 10:49:56 PM EDT
[#2]
No love for once fired?
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Posted: 1/24/2021 12:00:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No love for once fired? Not really. Once fired is just range pickup brass. There’s no way to know if it actually is once fired or 10x fired. I occasionally load 45-70 pretty hot (like 400grs @ 2000fps) and so I’d like to know how many times the cases have actually been fired. If I can’t find new brass anywhere I may get some used and just use them for light loads, but I’d rather avoid that. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 12:02:40 PM EDT
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I think my local shop has some for like $1 a piece. Is that a bad/good price?
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Posted: 1/24/2021 12:10:43 PM EDT
[#5]
Starline is out of stock. That's where I usually got mine. Luckily I picked up 500 pieces last year. That will do me a long time.
Damn. Everywhere is out of 45-70 brass. Look like you're out of luck. Like anything else reloading related. Should have jumped on it during the salad days. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 12:24:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think my local shop has some for like $1 a piece. Is that a bad/good price? But not today. Came up empty looking. Damn. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 12:30:02 PM EDT
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A few months ago I bought several hundred when Midway ran a special on Starline at $50 ish per 100 rounds... Amazing how many people here just do not prepare and stock up on consumables .
I probably only keep 200 rounds of loaded 45/70 laying around , but I can easily load 5 times amount .. Must be horrible for people who didn't learn from the 5 other panics in recent history. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 1:18:40 PM EDT
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Bought 200 Starline cases from ACME Bullets a while ago, and 100 Winchester cases from Sportsmans Warehouse. Along with a few hundred 405gr coated. Already had a few thousand primers, and a bunch of suitable powders. Will look around for a mold in the near future. I can buy from a local casting company if need be.
Folks who are looking for ammo, components, firearms nowadays are late to the party. I know some folks may just be getting into firearms. But those of us who consider firearms a lifestyle, or enjoy firearms for sporting or self defense purposes, should have been, or did, stock up when funds were available on firearm related items for the last decade at least. I started back in 2006 when I moved from NJ to WY (military). |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 2:34:19 PM EDT
[#9]
Some of you guys should check your smugness before someone mistakes you for a Prius driver...
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Posted: 1/24/2021 5:31:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of you guys should check your smugness before someone mistakes you for a Prius driver... Not meaning to come off as smug, but if you have been a "firearm enthusiast" for any amount of time, or have frequented this forum or any other firearms related forum in the last year or so, then you would have seen the warnings from folks of what was going to happen, and what has happened during almost every election cycle. Some folks may have just brushed those warnings off as overreacting, but now you are seeing the results of folks buying whatever they can, whenever they can, and whether they need it or not. Some folks buy to make a profit later on, others just buy stuff because they enjoy firearms. I know some folks don't have the funds to always be buying guns, ammo, and accessories. But you've seen folks post the saying "buy it cheap, stack it deep", for the last few years. The salad days of cheap AR-15s is over. Guns, ammo, and accessories were plentiful not too long ago. Today's market is not one to be buying anything unless you absolutely need or want it and have the funds to purchase at panic inflated pricing. With a firearm like a 45-70, the brass is not a massed produced product in the quantities such as 5.56, 9mm, 45acp, etc. It's not THAT common of a cartridge. So keep your eyes peeled, check all over the web every day, and snag what you can, when you can. Another option would be to post a WTB add in the EE looking to buy 45-70 brass. I'm sure someone would offer some up for a little more then what they paid for it back when things were kind of normal. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 5:40:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of you guys should check your smugness before someone mistakes you for a Prius driver... Learning from the past and not making the same mistakes is not being smug. We should all strive to not be continually doing the same stupid things over and over again. These folks who didn't plan accordingly will know better the next time . Hope you don't fall off that pulpit giving everyone a sermon about smugness .. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 9:59:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not meaning to come off as smug, but if you have been a "firearm enthusiast" for any amount of time, or have frequented this forum or any other firearms related forum in the last year or so, then you would have seen the warnings from folks of what was going to happen, and what has happened during almost every election cycle. Some folks may have just brushed those warnings off as overreacting, but now you are seeing the results of folks buying whatever they can, whenever they can, and whether they need it or not. Some folks buy to make a profit later on, others just buy stuff because they enjoy firearms. I know some folks don't have the funds to always be buying guns, ammo, and accessories. But you've seen folks post the saying "buy it cheap, stack it deep", for the last few years. The salad days of cheap AR-15s is over. Guns, ammo, and accessories were plentiful not too long ago. Today's market is not one to be buying anything unless you absolutely need or want it and have the funds to purchase at panic inflated pricing. With a firearm like a 45-70, the brass is not a massed produced product in the quantities such as 5.56, 9mm, 45acp, etc. It's not THAT common of a cartridge. So keep your eyes peeled, check all over the web every day, and snag what you can, when you can. Another option would be to post a WTB add in the EE looking to buy 45-70 brass. I'm sure someone would offer some up for a little more then what they paid for it back when things were kind of normal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Some of you guys should check your smugness before someone mistakes you for a Prius driver... Not meaning to come off as smug, but if you have been a "firearm enthusiast" for any amount of time, or have frequented this forum or any other firearms related forum in the last year or so, then you would have seen the warnings from folks of what was going to happen, and what has happened during almost every election cycle. Some folks may have just brushed those warnings off as overreacting, but now you are seeing the results of folks buying whatever they can, whenever they can, and whether they need it or not. Some folks buy to make a profit later on, others just buy stuff because they enjoy firearms. I know some folks don't have the funds to always be buying guns, ammo, and accessories. But you've seen folks post the saying "buy it cheap, stack it deep", for the last few years. The salad days of cheap AR-15s is over. Guns, ammo, and accessories were plentiful not too long ago. Today's market is not one to be buying anything unless you absolutely need or want it and have the funds to purchase at panic inflated pricing. With a firearm like a 45-70, the brass is not a massed produced product in the quantities such as 5.56, 9mm, 45acp, etc. It's not THAT common of a cartridge. So keep your eyes peeled, check all over the web every day, and snag what you can, when you can. Another option would be to post a WTB add in the EE looking to buy 45-70 brass. I'm sure someone would offer some up for a little more then what they paid for it back when things were kind of normal. I appreciate you didn’t intend to come off smug. I didn’t get caught with my pants down. I’m not out of ammo or components. In fact, I’ve probably got a lot more than most. I’m just realizing this drought is going to last a lot longer than I anticipated. I’m comfortable with a panic lasting a couple years. But I’m starting to worry a best case scenario is 4-5 years. Niche calibers are going to be the slowest to be replenished. So I figured I’d better stock up on a few of my favorites. I may already be too late for 45-70. Drove around to 4 different stores today and none had any. I think I’ll still find some locally though. If not, I guess I’ll get some used brass. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 10:03:51 PM EDT
[#13]
Fireform .40-65 brass.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 10:13:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fireform .40-65 brass. That’s actually a great idea but that’s out of stock everywhere too |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 10:15:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not really. Once fired is just range pickup brass. There’s no way to know if it actually is once fired or 10x fired. I occasionally load 45-70 pretty hot (like 400grs @ 2000fps) and so I’d like to know how many times the cases have actually been fired. If I can’t find new brass anywhere I may get some used and just use them for light loads, but I’d rather avoid that. I sighted in 2 rifles this month with factory ammo. Pretty sure I know it's once fired. Point is, if you buy from someone, a little faith isn't bad thing. I've seen a fair amount of cowboy loads locally, probably 10-20 boxes in the last few months. You try just looking for new ammo? |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 10:40:59 PM EDT
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That link thorn posted has 5 boxes of 50ct mixed left. Not sure where they get their brass though.
45-70 brass will last a long time. I have about 4 loadings so far on 100 of my Starline brass, still look great. But I'm running 405gr trapdoor level loads, nothing crazy...i like plinking with the 45-70 and will shoot a 100 or more in a range trip. Winchester brass has a few loadings on 50pcs. What I currently want, but don't really need, is a 45-70 Sharps of some sort. And was just about to buy one but Mom passed in Oct (paid for the cremation cause Sis wasn't able to), and Sister was killed in a tragic accident last Friday. Out in SoCal right now trying to get things squared away with their estate. Been a shitty few months. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 1:04:10 AM EDT
[#17]
I was recently provided with 200 rounds of once fired FC 45-70 brass. This was from a 45-70 bear class that required new factory ammo. Good score!!!!
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Posted: 1/25/2021 1:46:58 AM EDT
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There is going to be little to no components for sale for quite some time. They are using them to manufacture ammo. The ammo manufacturers are operating at 100% and they get priority for that type of stuff.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 1:50:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was recently provided with 200 rounds of once fired FC 45-70 brass. This was from a 45-70 bear class that required new factory ammo. Good score!!!! Did you attend that class? That would be interesting to hear a summary of. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 3:24:59 AM EDT
[#20]
Here’s some Starline 45-90 in stock I don’t know if you can just trim to length or not.
https://www.precisionreloading.com/cart.php# |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 6:51:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of you guys should check your smugness before someone mistakes you for a Prius driver... I’ve always wondered why people buy brass rather than create it? Maybe if you just got into a caliber and wanted all same headstamps/ lots for progressive? If I shoot my brass and pick it up, I know how many firings it has. Obviously indoor range nazis may play a factor but am genuinely curious. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 9:58:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That link thorn posted has 5 boxes of 50ct mixed left. Not sure where they get their brass though. 45-70 brass will last a long time. I have about 4 loadings so far on 100 of my Starline brass, still look great. But I'm running 405gr trapdoor level loads, nothing crazy...i like plinking with the 45-70 and will shoot a 100 or more in a range trip. Winchester brass has a few loadings on 50pcs. What I currently want, but don't really need, is a 45-70 Sharps of some sort. And was just about to buy one but Mom passed in Oct (paid for the cremation cause Sis wasn't able to), and Sister was killed in a tragic accident last Friday. Out in SoCal right now trying to get things squared away with their estate. Been a shitty few months.  I mean, I couldn’t bring myself to spend $1/ea for used brass but still... I’m surprised it moved so fast. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:07:29 AM EDT
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Quoted: Here’s some Starline 45-90 in stock I don’t know if you can just trim to length or not. https://www.precisionreloading.com/cart.php# Thanks I may go that route if I rule out all my local options. Quoted: I’ve always wondered why people buy brass rather than create it? Maybe if you just got into a caliber and wanted all same headstamps/ lots for progressive? If I shoot my brass and pick it up, I know how many firings it has. Obviously indoor range nazis may play a factor but am genuinely curious. Because it’s cheaper to buy brass than loaded ammo. You also get to load it from the start with exactly what you want. This is particularly important with niche cartridges like this. Typical (before the panic) box of 45-70 would run around $40 for 20. But you could buy new starline brass for $43/100. Typical box of 375 H&H runs $60-100 for 20 rounds. But you can buy the brass for $53/50. I’ve never actually bought factory ammo for either. Always just bought brass and loaded my own. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 3:16:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s actually a great idea but that’s out of stock everywhere too Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fireform .40-65 brass. That’s actually a great idea but that’s out of stock everywhere too I'm conflicted about whether to sell some. The way things are looking, I might have every rifle and every empty case and bullet I own loaded and ready. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 5:03:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm conflicted about whether to sell some. The way things are looking, I might have every rifle and every empty case and bullet I own loaded and ready. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fireform .40-65 brass. That’s actually a great idea but that’s out of stock everywhere too I'm conflicted about whether to sell some. The way things are looking, I might have every rifle and every empty case and bullet I own loaded and ready. Yeah, may be. Plus I think this is going to be a lot longer drought than most people realize. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 5:26:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, may be. Plus I think this is going to be a lot longer drought than most people realize. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fireform .40-65 brass. That’s actually a great idea but that’s out of stock everywhere too I'm conflicted about whether to sell some. The way things are looking, I might have every rifle and every empty case and bullet I own loaded and ready. Yeah, may be. Plus I think this is going to be a lot longer drought than most people realize. I'm going to refresh my mold inventory and get the .38 and .44 caliber Keith molds ready to go. I can't recall whether I have a mold for a .45 ACP bullet. I'm nearly certain I don't one for 9mm bullets, but I might have a sizer to squish one of the .38 bullets. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 5:57:51 PM EDT
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UPDATE:
Cabelas has Starline in stock today! Get it while you can! https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/starline-unprimed-rifle-brass |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 6:02:30 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not really. Once fired is just range pickup brass. There’s no way to know if it actually is once fired or 10x fired. I occasionally load 45-70 pretty hot (like 400grs @ 2000fps) and so I’d like to know how many times the cases have actually been fired. If I can’t find new brass anywhere I may get some used and just use them for light loads, but I’d rather avoid that. makes sense, i usually try and purchase form a guy who buys all the brass from the rental ranges here. i know thats once fired, downside is the 556/762 is fired from a MG and can need some extra help sizing lol. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 6:14:33 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: UPDATE: Cabelas has Starline in stock today! Get it while you can! https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/starline-unprimed-rifle-brass I got my 50. About $1 per case, but 50 will last me a long time. Thanks for the tip. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 6:23:54 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I got my 50. About $1 per case, but 50 will last me a long time. Thanks for the tip. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: UPDATE: Cabelas has Starline in stock today! Get it while you can! https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/starline-unprimed-rifle-brass I got my 50. About $1 per case, but 50 will last me a long time. Thanks for the tip. Yeah, I'm used to paying about half that price but who knows how long the drought will last. I ordered a few packages. 
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Posted: 1/25/2021 6:46:09 PM EDT
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Quote History*WARNING* I just want to warn anyone that wants to reload used/fired Hornady brass, the cases are about .030 shorter than standard brass. They did this to accommodate the Leverevolution bullet. Your die will hit the shellholder before it can make a crimp. If you are successful in the crimp your overall length will be too short thus causing too much pressure. Be careful and measure your used brass. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 6:53:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks I may go that route if I rule out all my local options. Because it’s cheaper to buy brass than loaded ammo. You also get to load it from the start with exactly what you want. This is particularly important with niche cartridges like this. Typical (before the panic) box of 45-70 would run around $40 for 20. But you could buy new starline brass for $43/100. Typical box of 375 H&H runs $60-100 for 20 rounds. But you can buy the brass for $53/50. I’ve never actually bought factory ammo for either. Always just bought brass and loaded my own. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Here’s some Starline 45-90 in stock I don’t know if you can just trim to length or not. https://www.precisionreloading.com/cart.php# Thanks I may go that route if I rule out all my local options. Quoted: I’ve always wondered why people buy brass rather than create it? Maybe if you just got into a caliber and wanted all same headstamps/ lots for progressive? If I shoot my brass and pick it up, I know how many firings it has. Obviously indoor range nazis may play a factor but am genuinely curious. Because it’s cheaper to buy brass than loaded ammo. You also get to load it from the start with exactly what you want. This is particularly important with niche cartridges like this. Typical (before the panic) box of 45-70 would run around $40 for 20. But you could buy new starline brass for $43/100. Typical box of 375 H&H runs $60-100 for 20 rounds. But you can buy the brass for $53/50. I’ve never actually bought factory ammo for either. Always just bought brass and loaded my own. Huh, I usually just load it after I choot it. But I may stop? |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 6:53:57 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: *WARNING* I just want to warn anyone that wants to reload used/fired Hornady brass, the cases are about .030 shorter than standard brass. They did this to accommodate the Leverevolution bullet. Your die will hit the shellholder before it can make a crimp. If you are successful in the crimp your overall length will be too short thus causing too much pressure. Be careful and measure your used brass. Quote HistoryQuoted: *WARNING* I just want to warn anyone that wants to reload used/fired Hornady brass, the cases are about .030 shorter than standard brass. They did this to accommodate the Leverevolution bullet. Your die will hit the shellholder before it can make a crimp. If you are successful in the crimp your overall length will be too short thus causing too much pressure. Be careful and measure your used brass. You are correct. Those cases are problematic. That's not to say that can't be reloaded though. For example, you could use a Lee factory crimp die with a special spacer on the bottom to get the crimp right. Personally, I don't think it's worth the effort. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 6:59:20 PM EDT
[#34]
Just got 500 brass cases of 45-70 in the mail from Starline - backordered them on their website - took about a month to get them.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 7:02:08 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just got 500 brass cases of 45-70 in the mail from Starline - backordered them on their website - took about a month to get them. They are no longer allowing backorders |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 7:09:28 PM EDT
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Starline brass is good stuff I've loaded them multiple times. Not sure what else to add to this thread other than you are fucked if you don't have primers and brass. Bullets are obviously easy to cast and lead and black powder are still available online so you should be good to go.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 7:13:54 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: UPDATE: Cabelas has Starline in stock today! Get it while you can! https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/starline-unprimed-rifle-brass Awesome - thanks! Have plenty on-hand already, and with a Ruger No 1 don't exactly do high-volume shooting. That said, a hundred new cases is a great rainy day supply. Pretty wild - Cabela's was literally going out-of-stock on stuff while I was browsing. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 7:17:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not really. Once fired is just range pickup brass. There’s no way to know if it actually is once fired or 10x fired. I occasionally load 45-70 pretty hot (like 400grs @ 2000fps) and so I’d like to know how many times the cases have actually been fired. If I can’t find new brass anywhere I may get some used and just use them for light loads, but I’d rather avoid that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No love for once fired? Not really. Once fired is just range pickup brass. There’s no way to know if it actually is once fired or 10x fired. I occasionally load 45-70 pretty hot (like 400grs @ 2000fps) and so I’d like to know how many times the cases have actually been fired. If I can’t find new brass anywhere I may get some used and just use them for light loads, but I’d rather avoid that. Anneal. You will then only need to worry about primer pockets. With the load you mentioned, you won’t get 10x  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 7:21:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anneal. You will then only need to worry about primer pockets. With the load you mentioned, you won’t get 10x https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/170028/9062B3CA-CDCD-42CD-A267-42EB031B7B16_jpe-1796650.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No love for once fired? Not really. Once fired is just range pickup brass. There’s no way to know if it actually is once fired or 10x fired. I occasionally load 45-70 pretty hot (like 400grs @ 2000fps) and so I’d like to know how many times the cases have actually been fired. If I can’t find new brass anywhere I may get some used and just use them for light loads, but I’d rather avoid that. Anneal. You will then only need to worry about primer pockets. With the load you mentioned, you won’t get 10x https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/170028/9062B3CA-CDCD-42CD-A267-42EB031B7B16_jpe-1796650.JPG I'd imagine case head separation would become an issue before I got to 10x. I think after 3 or 4 hot loads, it's probably best to only load them light. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 8:27:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are correct. Those cases are problematic. That's not to say that can't be reloaded though. For example, you could use a Lee factory crimp die with a special spacer on the bottom to get the crimp right. Personally, I don't think it's worth the effort. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: *WARNING* I just want to warn anyone that wants to reload used/fired Hornady brass, the cases are about .030 shorter than standard brass. They did this to accommodate the Leverevolution bullet. Your die will hit the shellholder before it can make a crimp. If you are successful in the crimp your overall length will be too short thus causing too much pressure. Be careful and measure your used brass. You are correct. Those cases are problematic. That's not to say that can't be reloaded though. For example, you could use a Lee factory crimp die with a special spacer on the bottom to get the crimp right. Personally, I don't think it's worth the effort. I had a machinist buddy of mine cut down my die, about .075 if I remember right ?? When I load with that brass I set it up for OAL and then adjust to crimp. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 8:47:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: UPDATE: Cabelas has Starline in stock today! Get it while you can! https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/starline-unprimed-rifle-brass Thank you. |
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