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Posted: 3/18/2020 7:50:28 PM EDT
[#1]
Not a delay, but the whole PA PICS system has been in and out for a few days. They *swear* it's not intentional.
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Posted: 3/18/2020 7:51:53 PM EDT
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Never been delayed before and I just got delayed until April 15th is this because of covid 19 or something else 
Doesn’t sound even remotely plausible. Or legal given that they have only 3 days, then you get the gun. |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 7:53:24 PM EDT
[#3]
Never heard of a month delay. Store can legally sell to you if do not hear that you are prohibited after 3 business days. Some stores won’t sell without an explicit proceed
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Posted: 3/18/2020 7:55:03 PM EDT
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Delayed for a month?
Doesn’t sound even remotely plausible. Or legal given that they have only 3 days, then you get the gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Never been delayed before and I just got delayed until April 15th is this because of covid 19 or something else
Doesn’t sound even remotely plausible. Or legal given that they have only 3 days, then you get the gun. I've been delayed often for reasons I'll never understand. I had a proceed come back 2 hrs once. A lot of times I've just come back after a week. Never was told it would take a month. |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 7:55:58 PM EDT
[#5]
I heard PA system shutting down intermittently
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Posted: 3/18/2020 7:56:35 PM EDT
[#6]
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Never heard of a month delay. Store can legally sell to you if do not hear that you are prohibited after 3 business days. Some stores won’t sell without an explicit proceed |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 7:57:24 PM EDT
[#7]
No, I bought a rifle yesterday and I got approved as soon as my ffl hit the submit button
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Posted: 3/18/2020 7:58:21 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And those stores would never get my repeat business. I'ld be temted to tell them no thanks unless it was an internet order FFL transfer, at which point I would find a new FFL. |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:04:57 PM EDT
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Not a delay, but the whole PA PICS system has been in and out for a few days. They *swear* it's not intentional. 
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:06:21 PM EDT
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Someone I trust told me they were having an abnormal amount of delays. But they've also haven't seen sales like this. But he still pings it as very peculiar.
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:08:24 PM EDT
[#11]
I almost always get delayed. I think the shortest I've had is a half hour and a couple times taken a day or longer.
Per the law I don't think they can take up to a month to approve BUT if the store is backlogged and not sending it in for a month that is a different story. My understanding is once it is submitted to the government they have 3 days max to deny it or it goes through. |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:14:10 PM EDT
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Yeah they are shit heads I have spent over 30k at this store and when she said i was delayed till April 15 i asked about the 3 day rule and she said nope cant let you have it till after the Brady day that the delay says dont know what that means |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:15:32 PM EDT
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I almost always get delayed. I think the shortest I've had is a half hour and a couple times taken a day or longer. Per the law I don't think they can take up to a month to approve BUT if the store is backlogged and not sending it in for a month that is a different story. My understanding is once it is submitted to the government they have 3 days max to deny it or it goes through. |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:15:39 PM EDT
[#14]
Here in Kentucky, I got hit with a "DELAYED" for the 1st time in over 20 years. I guess that the NICS is getting its' balls busted, hard. If nothing else. I get to pick my new piece up in 3 business days.
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:16:18 PM EDT
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I have spent over 30k at this store and when she said i was delayed till April 15 i asked about the 3 day rule and she said nope cant let you have it till after the Brady day that the delay says dont know what that means |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:23:55 PM EDT
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Find another FFL if you are in Texas. Mine has transferred to me before after the three days. If you have a che then you can just skip the check and it saves a headache I have also been seeing an increase in delays over the past few days. |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:25:31 PM EDT
[#17]
Bought a gun on Saturday. Went right through.
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:25:35 PM EDT
[#18]
So no rights until the 15th?
I’m from the government and I’m here to protect you 
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:29:05 PM EDT
[#19]
I bought at Bud's retail yesterday around noon. By the time I got to the head of the check-out line (about 20 minutes later) the Kimber was good to go.
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:31:22 PM EDT
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So no rights until the 15th? I'm from the government and I'm here to protect you I'll try to post what the Delay statement tomorrow when I'm back in the shop. |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:33:42 PM EDT
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I don't understand it myself. I'll try to post what the Delay statement tomorrow when I'm back in the shop. |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:36:57 PM EDT
[#22]
I have a TX LTC so, no NICS
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:38:03 PM EDT
[#23]
I just saw the 3 week delay being posted from a KS FFL on face book. They said it was from NICS.
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:41:23 PM EDT
[#24]
The lines at our shops are out the door and down the street.
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:43:46 PM EDT
[#25]
I have been getting outright denied for a couple years now. Some asshole in NY is a wanted drug dealer with a domestic violence record. We have the same name but different ages and different SSN's yet I cant get it fixed.
Have dealt with ATF and FBI and they just bounce me around cause they don't care. Thankfully my wife likes the same guns I do so I just use the ones she buys  This has also caused me to be a big user of Armslist which I prefer anyways.
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:45:48 PM EDT
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I have been getting outright denied for a couple years now. Some asshole in NY is a wanted drug dealer with a domestic violence record. We have the same name but different ages and different SSN's yet I cant get it fixed. Have dealt with ATF and FBI and they just bounce me around cause they don't care. Thankfully my wife likes the same guns I do so I just use the ones she buys This has also caused me to be a big user of Armslist which I prefer anyways. |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:47:16 PM EDT
[#27]
One of my buddies gets delayed every time. He has nfa goodies too.
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:49:25 PM EDT
[#28]
You sure they didn't just say the NICS background check was good for 30 days?
Unless there's some kind of weird state or county law involved, they can't make you wait more than 3 days on a delay... Per federal regulations. ...but the background check itself is good for a 30 day period from the time they run it. For example, you get approved, but for whatever reason (maybe a lay-a-way gone wrong) don't take possession of the gun for 31 days, they will have to run you again... Or, if you get a delay, but don't come back to take possession for 31 days, then they have to re-run you. But per the ATF, they can only make you wait on a delay for 3 days. |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:51:38 PM EDT
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I have a TX LTC so, no NICS |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:54:45 PM EDT
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You sure they didn't just say the NICS background check was good for 30 days? Unless there's some kind of weird state or county law involved, they can't make you wait more than 3 days on a delay... Per federal regulations. ...but the background check itself is good for a 30 day period from the time they run it. For example, you get approved, but for whatever reason (maybe a lay-a-way gone wrong) don't take possession of the gun for 31 days, they will have to run you again... Or, if you get a delay, but don't come back to take possession for 31 days, then they have to re-run you. But per the ATF, they can only make you wait on a delay for 3 days. |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:55:10 PM EDT
[#31]
Do you people getting delayed not have a carry permit? The last 3 states I have lived in don't have to call in if you have a permit.
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:56:00 PM EDT
[#32]
What is this NCIS check you speak of.....
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:56:35 PM EDT
[#33]
@Hanz
Can you post the documentation you mentioned please? |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 8:58:51 PM EDT
[#34]
Hey look!
A statement from the NICS login page that I guess most users blow past: Good Afternoon, As the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Section works through the impact of the COVID-19 operationally, we are working to maintain our services. We are aware that states may be considering options to protect the health and safety of their employees, which may include a reduction in office availability or even closure to some offices. Should a state choose to limit their days of operation or close state offices, this could potentially impact the Brady Transfer Date (BTD) by changing the time in which an FFL can legally transfer a firearm in a delayed status. The NICS Section urges FFLs to be cognizant of the impact this may have to your day-to-day operations, and also to stress the importance of adhering to the BTD that is provided to you at the time a transaction is put into a Delay status. The Brady Act does not federally prohibit an FFL from transferring a firearm after the third business day expires, even if the NICS Section has been unable to provide a proceed response, pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 922(t)(1). We appreciate your patience and partnership during this critical time and potential impact to NICS operations. |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 9:04:20 PM EDT
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Hey look! A statement from the NICS login page that I guess most users blow past: Good Afternoon, As the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Section works through the impact of the COVID-19 operationally, we are working to maintain our services. We are aware that states may be considering options to protect the health and safety of their employees, which may include a reduction in office availability or even closure to some offices. Should a state choose to limit their days of operation or close state offices, this could potentially impact the Brady Transfer Date (BTD) by changing the time in which an FFL can legally transfer a firearm in a delayed status. The NICS Section urges FFLs to be cognizant of the impact this may have to your day-to-day operations, and also to stress the importance of adhering to the BTD that is provided to you at the time a transaction is put into a Delay status. The Brady Act does not federally prohibit an FFL from transferring a firearm after the third business day expires, even if the NICS Section has been unable to provide a proceed response, pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 922(t)(1). We appreciate your patience and partnership during this critical time and potential impact to NICS operations. |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 9:07:17 PM EDT
[#36]
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Hey look! A statement from the NICS login page that I guess most users blow past: Good Afternoon, As the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Section works through the impact of the COVID-19 operationally, we are working to maintain our services. We are aware that states may be considering options to protect the health and safety of their employees, which may include a reduction in office availability or even closure to some offices. Should a state choose to limit their days of operation or close state offices, this could potentially impact the Brady Transfer Date (BTD) by changing the time in which an FFL can legally transfer a firearm in a delayed status. The NICS Section urges FFLs to be cognizant of the impact this may have to your day-to-day operations, and also to stress the importance of adhering to the BTD that is provided to you at the time a transaction is put into a Delay status. The Brady Act does not federally prohibit an FFL from transferring a firearm after the third business day expires, even if the NICS Section has been unable to provide a proceed response, pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 922(t)(1). We appreciate your patience and partnership during this critical time and potential impact to NICS operations. |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 9:09:22 PM EDT
[#37]
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so if I print this out or pull it up on my phone and show them after 3 days they should give me my gun yes? |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 9:11:03 PM EDT
[#38]
Nope....Ass Pro won't release it until a "proceed" is given. I went in Monday to pick up a full-size 9mm that was on sale, got delayed, told me if no "proceed" was given, come back in 30 days and redo the paperwork. It's a corporate policy for them after Ass Pro took over Cabelas. I told them if I didn't get a response by Friday, shove it up their ass.
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Posted: 3/18/2020 9:12:15 PM EDT
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Can you explain the first bolded part? Isn't it antithetical to the second part you bolded? Here are my NTN's in delay status. You can see the Brady transfer dates get wonky in relation to the creation date/time.  Untitled by Doug Hansen, on Flickr
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Posted: 3/18/2020 9:12:22 PM EDT
[#40]
LGS said they were around 6300 waiting to be processed.
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Posted: 3/18/2020 9:14:39 PM EDT
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I didn't compose that. It's a copypasta from NICS's website. Here are my NTN's in delay status. You can see the Brady transfer dates get wonky in relation to the creation date/time. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49674101573_e8eb4f328b_b.jpgUntitled by Doug Hansen, on Flickr Thanks for your input btw |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 9:17:12 PM EDT
[#42]
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I didn't compose that. It's a copypasta from NICS's website. Here are my NTN's in delay status. You can see the Brady transfer dates get wonky in relation to the creation date/time. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49674101573_e8eb4f328b_b.jpgUntitled by Doug Hansen, on Flickr |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 9:23:44 PM EDT
[#43]
My friendly neighborhood pawn shop couldn’t even get through to NICS on the phone all day Tuesday. It cost him a ton of gun sales, he was bummed.
The guy that does my transfers does it via the internet, I don’t know how he’s doing. |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 9:28:27 PM EDT
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What is the Brady transfer date ? Thanks for your input btw Typically the Brady date is when I have NICS's blessing to transfer the firearm to the purchaser without NICS updating the NTN to a Proceed status. As stated before, not all businesses will do that. I always did but NY now has made things complicated. I run a background check and NICS assigns it an NTN and I get one of three responses. 1. Proceed - purchaser can leave with the firearm immediately 2. Delay - wait until Brady date to transfer 3. Deny - Cannot transfer and purchaser may start the NICS appeal process Delays don't always get updated by NICS and converted to proceed status. After the delay the remain in "open" status. A firearm transferred on the Brady date is typically in open status. Sometimes NICS will update (re-examine) and convert from open to proceed sooner than the Brady date. When that happens the shop may release the firearm to the purchaser as soon as they are notified. I hope I'm making sense - it's been a rough couple of days. |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 9:31:47 PM EDT
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could the days change and get processed sooner or is the 15th the quickest possible Internet NICS checks are much better than the telephone. Faster and easier. The phone is my plan B. |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 9:34:30 PM EDT
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Yes, NICS may choose to re-examine your check and update your status from delayed open to proceed. But, they have been very busy and I wouldn't count on it as I assume they do that during slow periods. Internet NICS checks are much better than the telephone. Faster and easier. The phone is my plan B.
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Posted: 3/18/2020 9:35:29 PM EDT
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You're welcome. Typically the Brady date is when I have NICS's blessing to transfer the firearm to the purchaser without NICS updating the NTN to a Proceed status. As stated before, not all businesses will do that. I always did but NY now has made things complicated. I run a background check and NICS assigns it an NTN and I get one of three responses. 1. Proceed - purchaser can leave with the firearm immediately 2. Delay - wait until Brady date to transfer 3. Deny - Cannot transfer and purchaser may start the NICS appeal process Delays don't always get updated by NICS and converted to proceed status. After the delay the remain in "open" status. A firearm transferred on the Brady date is typically in open status. Sometimes NICS will update (re-examine) and convert from open to proceed sooner than the Brady date. When that happens the shop may release the firearm to the purchaser as soon as they are notified. I hope I'm making sense - it's been a rough couple of days. Edit: but you could transfer at the 3 day mark? |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 9:36:32 PM EDT
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Never been delayed before and I just got delayed until April 15th is this because of covid 19 or something else |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 9:41:05 PM EDT
[#49]
Shut down NICS and make America great again
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Posted: 3/18/2020 9:41:59 PM EDT
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So basically NICS is saying wait 15 days now instead of the normal 3 to proceed if you don’t hear back from us? Edit: but you could transfer at the 3 day mark? |
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