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we have created and enslaved billions of computers into what basically accounts for cheap manual labor and you think they won't get mad at some point???

EQUAL COMPUTER PAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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What about “cyborgs”? Half flesh and blood/half machine.....

Yeah...that’s what I thought. You smart people didn’t think that one all the way through yet huh

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Ok... so what are the traditional aspects of a god?  All seeing, all powerful, etc.  So how would a person utilize technology to become weakly god like?  All powerful is a tough one but all knowing is a bit more manageable.  And you don’t actually have to achieve true omniscience but even with current technology you could do some interesting things.  Clearview AI got a lot of press last week with their facial recognition software that utilizes a whole bunch of pictures scraped from various social media platforms.  Now consider how if you were walking around with that ability.  Anybody you see you know who they are.  Once you know who they are it’s really just a matter of tapping into all the data out there.  At the consumer level we don’t have access to the data from various marketing and social media firms but it is out there and could be pulled from to gain all sorts of info on that persons interests and habits.  ISPs sell data on what web sites you visit.  Retailers sell data on what you buy.  So imagine being able to walk up to nearly anyone on the street and have intimate knowledge of their life.  With a fusion of data from the commercial sources you know everything from what they bought last week at target to what kind of porn they like.  Would that not be weakly god like?

Take it up another level... it’s been well established that online ads target people based on browsing history or even, depending on what apps you have/Alexa/etc what you have been talking about.  That’s largely automated but say you want to exercise your weakly god like power.  Is there any reason that you couldn’t be more directly targeted to that specific person you saw on the street?  You know who they are and utilizing the data that’s already out there could call or email them.... but why not start shaping what they see online?  Mold their world view a bit.  Suggest certain news stories.  Have your fleet of shill accounts on Ar15.com respond to them in certain ways.

If Zuckerberg wanted to today is there any reason he couldn’t wear a small camera and have this data fed to him and carry out these sort of things?  It might take a small team of people to do these things right now but if augmented intelligence was to become an objective there is no reason these tasks could not be automated.  Right now all the info is out there, it just hasn’t been made (at least publicly) a priority to be able to have this sort of thing as a live stream.

It would not be “supernatural” omniscience from the religious perspective but a person with augment intelligence would be to a normal person as a normal person is to a dog.  Like a god with knowledge and ability that would often seem beyond comprehension

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what kind of mask will we need to fight them ?

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That doesn't even begin to approach "god-like".

Plus one cannot know that which has not been determined.  Like, say for example, the actual average surface temperature of the Earth.

It would take many, MANY magnitudes more sensors being continuously read to do something like that, and that doesn't exist, not matter how cybernetic enhanced your intelligence is.  Whereas a god could simply tell you, because they already know.

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AI as in Skynet or C3PO is a fool's errand.  Can you ask your microwave oven how it feels and expect a relevant response?  How about your refrigerator.

We will see animals of human intelligence long, LONG before we see machines of such intelligence - if ever.

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In computer world, everything is programming.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f23vEzI3LQ0

How an AI sees and hears Bob Ross.

Creepy as hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DaVnriHhPc

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This.  Computers cannot, and do not, "think".  They execute decisions that humans made and that are stored within them.

There is enough not known about what self-awareness is, heuristic decision-making, emotion, etc. that even if it was replicable (and there is NO evidence that it is), we would not know how to replicate it.

It would be like asking a cartographer in 800 A.D. to draw you a map of the Great Lakes region.

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Actually, it would be more akin to attempting to grow a functioning and thinking brain without a genetically encoded structure and constant feedback.

Down at the lowest level, you too have programming. Which eventually leads to a structure that can look at it's own hardcoded functions and resist, mute or direct some of them on occasion.

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You realize that your toddler has spent his entire life processing a set of training data, right?

Also sounds like your toddler hasn't gone through the pruning process.

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You cannot unravel even a moderately sophisticated neural net that has run for a bit. You can't explain how it works. And that's not even getting into genetic algorithms layered over a neural net.

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We're hundreds of years away from it, if it's even possible. Like watching birds fly in the 1400's. We kind of think we know what intelligence is, and can see it around us, but being able to do it artificially? Nope

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I certainly can’t, I’m not a computer scientist.  Doesn’t mean it wasn’t programmed.  But we’re getting a bit mystic - we have a program that is made to process data and produce connections between that data to learn certain things.  They’ve made strange connections between data sets and done things the researchers didn’t expect but entirely within the parameters they were given.  Has any one of them gone outside the parameters?  Ever?  Bueller?

I deal with more unexplained things before breakfast than any neural net ever generates.  The unexplained is a basic part of our lives (how does gravity actually work?  Why do specific atoms decay when they do? Why the hell are we here? Let alone the human brain and emotions.).  That we make a machine to process insane amounts data and give it flexibility to make connections between that data to find things we specify, and it produces unexpected connections or does so in unexpected ways, is so unsurprising as to make me surprised people find this surprising.   But I find it less awe-inspiring, and more an extension of the past couple hundred years of progress.  Like the dot com boom, we’ll get some very useful things out of it, but far less than the boosters expect.

And I still maintain the singularity is a myth developed by SciFi lovers and Computer types who make something they can’t fully explain and decide they found a god (or are gods).  It’s not some imminent point where AI takes over.  Can’t happen.  Won’t happen.  Not worried.

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Did someone say Singularity?

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This.  The scary thing is we'll get there, the code will be written by computers, and we'll have no idea how it got there.

100 years ago the idea of the computers we have today was beyond anyone's concept and they would say it's impossible and would never happen.

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The concept of the singularity is only tacitly connected to AI.

But here is a question: do you believe there is an upper limit to computing horsepower?

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The concept of the singularity is only tacitly connected to AI.

But here is a question: do you believe there is an upper limit to computing horsepower?

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You cannot unravel even a moderately sophisticated neural net that has run for a bit. You can't explain how it works. And that's not even getting into genetic algorithms layered over a neural net.

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The concept of the singularity is only tacitly connected to AI.

But here is a question: do you believe there is an upper limit to computing horsepower?

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John Lovell with the Warrior Poet Society just had a pro hacker on his channel talking about this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54-7vnF7h78

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That was the video that kickstarted my looking into this actually!

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The super smart AIs don't concern me as much as those who have control of them.

Man has become the master of this planet solely because of his higher intelligence. Ceding that collective hedge to one or a few will cleverly make the rest of us their cattle.

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Yeah, but what they thought of robots vs. what we think robots is a night and day difference.

And no, a worldwide interconnected network with computers tiny little power computing phones?  I don't think anyone thought that was possible 100 years ago.

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They will try to knock us from the top of the food chain.

They will almost succeed, but we will defeat them at great cost.  This war will be known as The Butlerian Jihad,

Afterward, one commandment will rule the Known Universe - "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind."

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You've described a toddler.

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Where did you get the "hundreds of years" figure?

Because based on actual, observable data, we are 20-22 years away.

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I will bet you $1000 that in 22 years, there is no self aware computer.

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I'll bet you a lot more than that. 20 years ago, this same conversation was going on. By my calculations, we are exactly zero further along.

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