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Posted: 6/10/2020 8:14:21 PM EDT
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Check out Corsair water CPU water cooler. It’s a closed system and works very well for the money. I have seen computers running them for going on 7 years.
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Posted: 6/10/2020 8:25:10 PM EDT
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I've been Watercooling my PC for over a decade. I will always recommend a D5 vario pump, I've been using the same one this entire time. I like a lot XSPC's stuff lately, I'm using their rad and pump mounted reservoir. I'm using an old Enzotech block. EK is also good. Swiftech should be fine. Never cared for Koolance stuff. Avoid mixing aluminum parts with systems with copper.
I prefer soft tubing on old school "Fatboy" barbs. I stretch 3/8" tubing over 1/2" barbs. Looks clean and no clamps required.' Separate loops is always better, but not critical. For rad size, I like a minimum of 240 for just a CPU and 360 minimum for a CPU and GPU combined. |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 8:30:27 PM EDT
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Tag.
Single monitor sim flying sucks so just for kicks I just set up three cheap 22" 1080P monitor to run X Plane 11 just to have a look-see and holy hell, what a difference three monitors make! But my 7 year old non gaming computer is working at its max to crunch the numbers for three monitors (i7 4770, 16gb ram, GTX 1060 6gb). So I'm planning on building my own PC for the first time. Three monitor sim (gaming) rocks!!!  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 8:35:42 PM EDT
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I have learned 2 things in my research on liquid cooling for PCs:
1) If it has liquid, it WILL leak. Matter of time. 2) Unless you simply don't have the space, a fan (with heat pipes) is better. |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 8:45:17 PM EDT
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I think most people that reply are going to miss the fact that your system is a graphics workstation. They're recommendations are going to be around watercooling gaming systems.
I'm not even sure the case, even though large, will still have the space needed to house the large radiators. I would consider a dedicated loop just for the Dual Xeon processors. I've run 3 graphics cards off a single loop in the past but those were "civilian" grade. The ones you have are going to run way hotter and if you eventually go with 4 cards you may need to split that up between 2 more loops. I've seen graphics workstations that run off single loops. It just comes down to how much heat the loop can remove. Bigger rads, faster/more fans, faster pump all increase the rate at which heat is removed. I personally like splitting everything up between 2 loops. They're way underloaded but also stay very quiet. At least you won't have to waste money on flashy cooling stuff. No windows on that case to show off the bling. There's more "industrial" cooling you can get that is better suited for your needs. You'll probably need an external radiator for the graphics cards since that case won't have much room left after you add a large radiator for the Xeons. EK has a professional line you may want to look at, https://www.ekwb.com/news/ek-is-officially-introducing-its-professional-lineup-of-products/ |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 9:07:08 PM EDT
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At what point do you just pipe a portable ac unit to the case?
Honest question as it would seem to be a cost effective and efficient way to exchange heat. |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 9:10:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think most people that reply are going to miss the fact that your system is a graphics workstation. They're recommendations are going to be around watercooling gaming systems. I'm not even sure the case, even though large, will still have the space needed to house the large radiators. I would consider a dedicated loop just for the Dual Xeon processors. I've run 3 graphics cards off a single loop in the past but those were "civilian" grade. The ones you have are going to run way hotter and if you eventually go with 4 cards you may need to split that up between 2 more loops. I've seen graphics workstations that run off single loops. It just comes down to how much heat the loop can remove. Bigger rads, faster/more fans, faster pump all increase the rate at which heat is removed. I personally like splitting everything up between 2 loops. They're way underloaded but also stay very quiet. At least you won't have to waste money on flashy cooling stuff. No windows on that case to show off the bling. There's more "industrial" cooling you can get that is better suited for your needs. You'll probably need an external radiator for the graphics cards since that case won't have much room left after you add a large radiator for the Xeons. EK has a professional line you may want to look at, https://www.ekwb.com/news/ek-is-officially-introducing-its-professional-lineup-of-products/ It would likely require an external radiator or two. In fact, that’s a possibility (he isn’t doing it for gamer nerd cred) it would likely be even more efficient than trying to keep them inside the case. It wouldn’t look the greatest but who cares? |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 9:20:23 PM EDT
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I know a thing or two about keeping a PC cool.
      Just a couple I did a few years back. If you're just starting out....keep it fucking simple. |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 9:30:33 PM EDT
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YouTube Jayztwocents
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Posted: 6/10/2020 9:46:23 PM EDT
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Thanks for the replies so far everyone.
Yes, it's a big case, and yes, it's nearly filled even so...Quadro M5000s and K80s are monsterous cards. I have a K2200 as well that's much smaller that I might put in there as well just to push me over 7,500 CUDA cores.  I absolutely, 100% do not have room inside the case for a radiator (unless I do a loop for the CPUs, in which case I can probably fit one in the exhaust port, but wouldn't want to run hot CPU heatsink air over the radiator. I've actually considered ducting in a dryer vent to vent exhaust air outside as this thing generates a crap ton of heat. I've also wondered if I could do something with a liquid/liquid heat exchanger. to buy some heat absorption capacity without heating the outside air. Heck I've even seen people put their computers in aquariums and fill it with mineral oil.  I'll take a look at the suggested solutions offered so far, but keep them coming. Thanks everyone! |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 9:49:47 PM EDT
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Just dump your CPU into a fish tank filled with glycerin
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Posted: 6/10/2020 9:51:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tag. Single monitor sim flying sucks so just for kicks I just set up three cheap 22" 1080P monitor to run X Plane 11 just to have a look-see and holy hell, what a difference three monitors make! But my 7 year old non gaming computer is working at its max to crunch the numbers for three monitors (i7 4770, 16gb ram, GTX 1060 6gb). So I'm planning on building my own PC for the first time. Three monitor sim (gaming) rocks!!! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20962/Xplane3Mon2_jpg-1456349.JPG Wait until you try VR
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Posted: 6/10/2020 9:53:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just dump your CPU into a fish tank filled with glycerin fluorinert |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 9:55:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just dump your CPU into a fish tank filled with glycerin Similar things have been done...  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 9:58:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait until you try VR Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tag. Single monitor sim flying sucks so just for kicks I just set up three cheap 22" 1080P monitor to run X Plane 11 just to have a look-see and holy hell, what a difference three monitors make! But my 7 year old non gaming computer is working at its max to crunch the numbers for three monitors (i7 4770, 16gb ram, GTX 1060 6gb). So I'm planning on building my own PC for the first time. Three monitor sim (gaming) rocks!!! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20962/Xplane3Mon2_jpg-1456349.JPG Wait until you try VR I mainly do flying sims for proficiency and flight into airports I haven't been to before just to get familiar with the layout, not gaming. I'm just not sure how well VR will fit into that since I need to physically interact with my navigation and radio controls. |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 10:00:57 PM EDT
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Holy shit guys, just what sort of porn are you watching that needs that kinda cooling?
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Posted: 6/10/2020 10:01:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit guys, just what sort of porn are you watching that needs that kinda cooling? all of it |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 10:08:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought about it. I mainly do flying sims for proficiency and flight into airports I haven't been to before just to get familiar with the layout, not gaming. I'm just not sure how well VR will fit into that since I need to physically interact with my navigation and radio controls. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Tag. Single monitor sim flying sucks so just for kicks I just set up three cheap 22" 1080P monitor to run X Plane 11 just to have a look-see and holy hell, what a difference three monitors make! But my 7 year old non gaming computer is working at its max to crunch the numbers for three monitors (i7 4770, 16gb ram, GTX 1060 6gb). So I'm planning on building my own PC for the first time. Three monitor sim (gaming) rocks!!! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20962/Xplane3Mon2_jpg-1456349.JPG Wait until you try VR I mainly do flying sims for proficiency and flight into airports I haven't been to before just to get familiar with the layout, not gaming. I'm just not sure how well VR will fit into that since I need to physically interact with my navigation and radio controls. In X-Plane you can use the controllers to press buttons, flip levers, turn knobs etc but obviously it's not perfectly realistic. OTOH, neither is a flat setup if you don't have an exact replica of your own aircraft's cockpit, so it's a bit of a tradeoff. The immersion in VR is off the charts, though, and I'd imagine that the extra level of depth perception and such might be beneficial for your purposes. One of the cooler things I've seen lately is a guy who built finger trackers for VR, then mounted a piece of plywood at the appropriate distance at his desk, and uses it for interaction in DCS (specifically for the A-10) so he'd have some sort of touch feedback rather than waving his hand in midair. |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 10:14:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In X-Plane you can use the controllers to press buttons, flip levers, turn knobs etc but obviously it's not perfectly realistic. OTOH, neither is a flat setup if you don't have an exact replica of your own aircraft's cockpit, so it's a bit of a tradeoff. The immersion in VR is off the charts, though, and I'd imagine that the extra level of depth perception and such might be beneficial for your purposes. One of the cooler things I've seen lately is a guy who built finger trackers for VR, then mounted a piece of plywood at the appropriate distance at his desk, and uses it for interaction in DCS (specifically for the A-10) so he'd have some sort of touch feedback rather than waving his hand in midair. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Tag. Single monitor sim flying sucks so just for kicks I just set up three cheap 22" 1080P monitor to run X Plane 11 just to have a look-see and holy hell, what a difference three monitors make! But my 7 year old non gaming computer is working at its max to crunch the numbers for three monitors (i7 4770, 16gb ram, GTX 1060 6gb). So I'm planning on building my own PC for the first time. Three monitor sim (gaming) rocks!!! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20962/Xplane3Mon2_jpg-1456349.JPG Wait until you try VR I mainly do flying sims for proficiency and flight into airports I haven't been to before just to get familiar with the layout, not gaming. I'm just not sure how well VR will fit into that since I need to physically interact with my navigation and radio controls. In X-Plane you can use the controllers to press buttons, flip levers, turn knobs etc but obviously it's not perfectly realistic. OTOH, neither is a flat setup if you don't have an exact replica of your own aircraft's cockpit, so it's a bit of a tradeoff. The immersion in VR is off the charts, though, and I'd imagine that the extra level of depth perception and such might be beneficial for your purposes. One of the cooler things I've seen lately is a guy who built finger trackers for VR, then mounted a piece of plywood at the appropriate distance at his desk, and uses it for interaction in DCS (specifically for the A-10) so he'd have some sort of touch feedback rather than waving his hand in midair.  If I don't like it I'm sure I can sell it for minimal loss. |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 10:16:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Check out Corsair water CPU water cooler. It’s a closed system and works very well for the money. I have seen computers running them for going on 7 years. Their GPU water blocks have a defect that causes leakage. |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 10:24:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Check out Corsair water CPU water cooler. It’s a closed system and works very well for the money. I have seen computers running them for going on 7 years. I can vouch for that. Mine is going on almost 8 years |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 10:38:44 PM EDT
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I have 2 radiators, 2 pumps, four fans in a wooden case from when I used to watercool (I got chalaged by some kids and had to drag race graphic cards LOL) if someone pays shipping I will send it to you. it weighs about 25 pounds and the box would have to be about 2'by 2' box about 30" tall. I will throw in a bunch of fittings that are new about 200 bucks worth
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Posted: 6/10/2020 11:37:12 PM EDT
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My opinion is, in this day and age, watercooling is pointless, unless you're into competitive overclocking. If your components are overheating, you're either pushing them WAY harder than you need to, or something's wrong and the answer isn't more cooling, it's replace the component. If you DO need to push your components that hard, then the easier and better answer is it's time for an upgrade.
And by push I mean overclocking. If your shit is overheating on stock settings, it's broke. A $30 Cooler Master 212 is all I've needed for the past 8 or 9 years, pushing an i7 2600k to 4.7 ghz at times. |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 11:41:57 PM EDT
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Linus Tech Tips.
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Posted: 6/10/2020 11:42:53 PM EDT
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Liquid cooling is just air cooling with more things to go wrong.
Prove me wrong. |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 11:46:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tag. Single monitor sim flying sucks so just for kicks I just set up three cheap 22" 1080P monitor to run X Plane 11 just to have a look-see and holy hell, what a difference three monitors make! But my 7 year old non gaming computer is working at its max to crunch the numbers for three monitors (i7 4770, 16gb ram, GTX 1060 6gb). So I'm planning on building my own PC for the first time. Three monitor sim (gaming) rocks!!! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20962/Xplane3Mon2_jpg-1456349.JPG You should try that or DCS in VR! |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 11:52:36 PM EDT
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Surprised no one mentioned putting it in the bath tub yet. By the way, that's a horrible idea, so if anyone mentions it just keep on truckin'.
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Posted: 6/10/2020 11:53:24 PM EDT
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A mini freezer gaming pc is in the future.
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Posted: 6/10/2020 11:53:54 PM EDT
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Do you know any young men that haven’t had sex with an actual female? They would probably know.
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Posted: 6/10/2020 11:55:08 PM EDT
[#30]
EK makes nice water blocks
Bitspower makes good fittings Singularity for d5 reservoir |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 11:59:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the replies so far everyone. Yes, it's a big case, and yes, it's nearly filled even so...Quadro M5000s and K80s are monsterous cards. I have a K2200 as well that's much smaller that I might put in there as well just to push me over 7,500 CUDA cores. I absolutely, 100% do not have room inside the case for a radiator (unless I do a loop for the CPUs, in which case I can probably fit one in the exhaust port, but wouldn't want to run hot CPU heatsink air over the radiator. I've actually considered ducting in a dryer vent to vent exhaust air outside as this thing generates a crap ton of heat. I've also wondered if I could do something with a liquid/liquid heat exchanger. to buy some heat absorption capacity without heating the outside air. Heck I've even seen people put their computers in aquariums and fill it with mineral oil. I'll take a look at the suggested solutions offered so far, but keep them coming. Thanks everyone! IMO, modernize your platform and go with Quadro P-series or Tesla based GPUs. Just don't see it as worthwhile to deal with setting up the proper cooling for hardware that could be consolidated into a couple of cards. What kind of workload are you doing? |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know a thing or two about keeping a PC cool. https://www.overclock.net/photopost/data/1334135/f/fd/fdc9f813_uyzUOUE.jpeg https://www.overclock.net/photopost/data/866712/4/4a/4a6a1852_0IW3uCQ.jpeg https://www.overclock.net/photopost/data/1491880/c/ce/ce4cb2a4_DSCF2945.jpeg https://www.overclock.net/photopost/data/1491880/c/c6/c6707851_DSCF2946.jpeg https://www.overclock.net/photopost/data/1491880/f/f4/f472ca5a_DSCF2948.jpeg https://www.overclock.net/photopost/data/1491880/7/79/799fc8ad_DSCF2958.jpeg Just a couple I did a few years back. If you're just starting out....keep it fucking simple. It looks cool, but wouldn't hose and barb be way more durable? |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 12:02:29 AM EDT
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I remember reading this back in the day...
Overclocking 486 33Mhz@247mhz 486 run at 247mhz for 10 minutes by putting the whole computer in a freezer http://totl.net/Eunuch/Eunuch2.html |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 12:15:47 AM EDT
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I build a good amount of water cooled PCs for my job.
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Posted: 6/11/2020 12:19:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IMO, modernize your platform and go with Quadro P-series or Tesla based GPUs. Just don't see it as worthwhile to deal with setting up the proper cooling for hardware that could be consolidated into a couple of cards. What kind of workload are you doing? Do you know how much it would cost to buy a modern (this PC is two years old, GPUs a bit older due to pricing) platform that could outperform this? This PC had a price tag north of $15k and would pretty well smoke any PC you could buy at Microcenter or any other brick and mortar store, so I’d hardly call it outdated. One of the cards is a K80 which is a dual GPU Tesla that outperforms nearly every modern Tesla because Nvidia stopped focusing on double precision and would rather give it up for marginal gains in single precision. I went this route because companies think like you do and frugal people like me can get an insanely powerful PC for VERY reasonable prices. It just means I need to be flexible with cooling arrangements.  Just know the GPU RAM and GPUs run full out 24/7. Or at least need the capability to. Maybe deep learning, maybe batch video rendering, maybe computational acceleration, maybe protein folding. I dabble, and don’t like to be limited by temperature. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 12:25:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have learned 2 things in my research on liquid cooling for PCs: 1) If it has liquid, it WILL leak. Matter of time. 2) Unless you simply don't have the space, a fan (with heat pipes) is better. 1. Wrong 2. Wrong |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 12:25:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As a guy who did Marine plumbing for several years, all those compression fittings are giving me the heebie-jeebies. It looks cool, but wouldn't hose and barb be way more durable? Those two systems ran for 2 years non stop with no leaks or problems, hose and barb would be easier with less chance of problems but the entire point of those 2 builds were for the looks. both were sponsored and displayed at conventions to show off. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 12:34:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So do you have advice or are you just showing off? Yes... That top machine is a Threadripper setup that is on water for the CPU only. I use mostly EKWB as that has been the most compatible in the game from everything I have played with. Their fittings are decent also. If you are new to bending tube, the Thermaltake fittings are nice to work with, because they go flush with the end of the tube and make the bending and fitting very easy to deal with. I always try to get as much radiator as I can possibly smash in a case! DO NOT! put any opaque dye in your loop like the red build I have above. Flush everything out real good with distilled water, and fill the loop with distilled water. You can then add just a few spoon fulls of non opaque coolant so you get some of the Biological growth inhibition, and corrosion protection. I have never had a loop leak. So far the best case I have worked with is the NZXT 710i Plenty of room for dual 360 rads, and they go together great. ETA: I have even had sex. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 1:01:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes... That top machine is a Threadripper setup that is on water for the CPU only. I use mostly EKWB as that has been the most compatible in the game from everything I have played with. Their fittings are decent also. If you are new to bending tube, the Thermaltake fittings are nice to work with, because they go flush with the end of the tube and make the bending and fitting very easy to deal with. I always try to get as much radiator as I can possibly smash in a case! DO NOT! put any opaque dye in your loop like the red build I have above. Flush everything out real good with distilled water, and fill the loop with distilled water. You can then add just a few spoon fulls of non opaque coolant so you get some of the Biological growth inhibition, and corrosion protection. I have never had a loop leak. So far the best case I have worked with is the NZXT 710i Plenty of room for dual 360 rads, and they go together great. ETA: I have even had sex. You sound like a subject matter expert We don't like your kind around here |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 1:04:40 AM EDT
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Yes it was a bitch bending the acrylic tubes
Test run it before you hook it all up to your machine |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 6:05:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Liquid cooling is just air cooling with more things to go wrong. Prove me wrong. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 6:35:46 AM EDT
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I just put a Fractal Design Celsius AOI (All-In-One) with a 420mm radiator in a Fractal Design R6 chassis designed for liquid cooling. The radiator is mounted at the top of the chassis, but it can go in the front, or above the PSU bay. It only cools the overclocked i9-9940X CPU, though. The RTX Quadro 4000 is on its own.
I will say that the CPU idles at 32°C, and during a 100% stress test it never got above 50°C. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 8:11:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have learned 2 things in my research on liquid cooling for PCs: 1) If it has liquid, it WILL leak. Matter of time. 2) Unless you simply don't have the space, a fan (with heat pipes) is better. I have run a first gen Corsair liquid cooler in a machine for longer than some of my children have been alive, and have never had an issue. |
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