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Posted: 5/14/2024 11:10:27 PM EDT
"To make powder, you need a specific kind of cotton, which mostly comes from China," he said.
Nitrocellulose, also known as guncotton, is a key ingredient in gunpowder manufacture. "Would you know it, deliveries of this cotton from China stopped as if by chance a few months ago," Breton added. China and Russia have in recent years ramped up economic cooperation and diplomatic contacts, and their strategic partnership has grown closer since the invasion of Ukraine. In Russia this week, China's Vice Foreign Minister Sun Weidong declared relations "are at their best period in history". Breton said that "Nordic countries have found a substitute for the Chinese cotton... innovation is at work, precisely to meet the need for powder, because... we have problems today with powder capacity". Companies producing the substitute ingredients for powder would be among those selected for grants under the EU's Act In Support of Ammunition Production (ASAP) to be announced next week, Breton said. https://www.barrons.com/news/europe-battles-powder-shortage-to-supply-shells-for-ukraine-0173c7d0 |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 11:26:42 PM EDT
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Who would've guessed outsourcing all our production to a hostile nation could have negative impacts? Shocked, I am.
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USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 11:33:53 PM EDT
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I'm going to cut all of my ammo in half now.
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Posted: 5/14/2024 11:36:11 PM EDT
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Strategically speaking: We are deeply fucked.
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USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 11:38:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNC: Who would've guessed outsourcing all our production to a hostile nation could have negative impacts? Shocked, I am. Is it that, or is it that that particular type of cotton can’t be grown much or at all in the US? I remember years ago seeing something on PBS I think, about how they used to get an ingredient for gunpowder from some specific place, a beach I think, from animal scat. They wouldn’t have had enough for the first world war if a German chemist hadn’t developed an alternative, which it sounds like some people in the Nordic countries are doing now. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 11:39:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lazyengineer]
[#5]
Well fucking good.
Figure it out America - I seriosuly fucking doubt Teddy Roosevelt was relying on China for our gunpowder. Unass and make it happen. 1 plant in Florida reprocessing WWII shit from a former era before we became retards, is fucking embarrassing. And a strategic nightmare. How could this happen?? In 12 months maybe we will figure it out. Or... maybe we won't. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 11:44:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNC: Who would've guessed outsourcing all our production to a hostile nation could have negative impacts? Shocked, I am. Reminds me of when we sold all our old ships to Japan in the 30s so they could scrap them and make new cruisers, carriers and battleships that we would have to sink. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:08:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Positronic: Strategically speaking: We are deeply fucked. But heroic businessmen made money! I'd expect GD to be cheering. 
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:11:13 AM EDT
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If only the USA had a cotton growing industry.
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TN, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:21:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mo4040]
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A friend of mine was on a flight recently. He was seated next to a gent who worked for Vista Outdoors.
The gent told my buddy to "stock up on ammo/powder/components/etc" due to the fact that China basically shut us off from key ingredients used in making gunpowder. He (the gent) did not specifically state nitrocellulose or guncotton. He went on to add that China was doing this in veiled retaliation for the US support of Ukraine. On a side note, if China/N. Korea are supporting Russia AND possibly ramping-up for their own possible military action, it makes perfect sense to restrict that commodity for their own consumption. This all dovetails into the argument against "global supply chains," especially for strategic materials. Who knows, maybe down the road, instead of the Gov't asking folks to ration stuff for the war effort, they'll be going door-to-door asking for 5.56 and 9mm. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:39:41 AM EDT
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So….after spending a bit reading about nitrocellulose production, I have seen zero mention of magical cotton strains that produce superior cotton linter.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:40:39 AM EDT
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It's so fucking easy to make. You literally mix cotton with nitric/sulfuric acid mixture.
We make some extremely complex pharmaceuticals, I think we can figure it out. The big question is why don't we make it here? The answer is probably EPA/OSHA. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:59:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drfroglegs: It's so fucking easy to make. You literally mix cotton with nitric/sulfuric acid mixture. We make some extremely complex pharmaceuticals, I think we can figure it out. The big question is why don't we make it here? The answer is probably EPA/OSHA. Globalism forced this. CO2 is now missing in action as well, globally. How in the actual, can Carbon Dioxide be so rarely processed now that even animal processing facilities and drink manufacturers are unable to produce goods and are shutting down production? Meat, folks, and beverages. This is affecting the US, Canada, Australia, NZ, others just to name a few countries. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 1:00:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: If only the USA had a cotton growing industry. That's racist |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 1:24:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 10mmManiac: That's racist And we are white. My Dad used to pic cotton and prime tobacco. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 1:58:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNC: Who would've guessed outsourcing all our production to a hostile nation could have negative impacts? Shocked, I am. Yeah, no way they'd find a seemingly innocuous way of fucking over their enemy. No way at all. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 2:07:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Well fucking good. Figure it out America - I seriosuly fucking doubt Teddy Roosevelt was relying on China for our gunpowder. Unass and make it happen. 1 plant in Florida reprocessing WWII shit from a former era before we became retards, is fucking embarrassing. And a strategic nightmare. How could this happen?? In 12 months maybe we will figure it out. Or... maybe we won't. @lazyengineer Is that seriously all St Marks does- reprocess old stuff? FFS…. So much for the “armory of democracy” and all that…. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 2:31:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tac556: @lazyengineer Is that seriously all St Marks does- reprocess old stuff? FFS…. So much for the “armory of democracy” and all that…. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tac556: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Well fucking good. Figure it out America - I seriosuly fucking doubt Teddy Roosevelt was relying on China for our gunpowder. Unass and make it happen. 1 plant in Florida reprocessing WWII shit from a former era before we became retards, is fucking embarrassing. And a strategic nightmare. How could this happen?? In 12 months maybe we will figure it out. Or... maybe we won't. @lazyengineer Is that seriously all St Marks does- reprocess old stuff? FFS…. So much for the “armory of democracy” and all that…. Honestly I think they probably do some new production too - but I do know they chat up the fact they are reprocessing old WWII powders. I sure as shit hope that's not the totality of what they do, but at times, I kind of wonder... |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 4:29:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNC: Who would've guessed outsourcing all our production to a hostile nation could have negative impacts? Shocked, I am. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNC: Who would've guessed outsourcing all our production to a hostile nation could have negative impacts? Shocked, I am. Who'd have cared, except for consumers. The C-suite players DGAF. Originally Posted By heavymetal762: But heroic businessmen made money! I'd expect GD to be cheering. Because this place is stupid like that. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 4:54:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: If only the USA had a cotton growing industry. I know, unfortunately I know where you can get Nitrocellulose from September though December.  |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 6:09:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: If only the USA had a cotton growing industry. I’m sure on some level racism is involved. I don’t know what our cotton industry used to produce, but I’m willing to bet it’s nothing compared to what it used to be. Most of our manufacturing is in China, why grow and produce the raw goods here when we don’t even make the clothing anymore? |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 6:38:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: So….after spending a bit reading about nitrocellulose production, I have seen zero mention of magical cotton strains that produce superior cotton linter.  Attached FileThese greedy companies are whining because China was providing cheap cotton. I’m sure domestic cotton makes nitrocellulose of equal quality, but just costs a little more. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 6:46:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: If only the USA had a cotton growing industry. It's still grown every year in my rural county. We can't be the only ones... |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 6:47:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Positronic: Strategically speaking: We are deeply fucked. Behind every blade of grass…. ….is an ammo fort. 
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:04:38 AM EDT
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It has NOTIHNG to do with “special cotton”. It is all about NIMBY attitudes and political design.
None of this is an unforeseen consequence, it is all going EXACTLY to plan. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:22:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Need4Guns: It's still grown every year in my rural county. We can't be the only ones... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Need4Guns: Originally Posted By phatmax: If only the USA had a cotton growing industry. It's still grown every year in my rural county. We can't be the only ones... You’re not. Great fields of white abound down here. Mostly east of 95. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:31:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: If only the USA had a cotton growing industry. Who is going to pick it…  |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:38:11 AM EDT
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Our government has made this Nation increasingly dependent on china ever since nixon cozied up to them. We all suffer the repercussions of our government "officials" lining their pockets using the tax dollars they take from you. Please, re-elect your "representative." It's all you have.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:48:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: phatmax]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZW17: I’m sure on some level racism is involved. I don’t know what our cotton industry used to produce, but I’m willing to bet it’s nothing compared to what it used to be. Most of our manufacturing is in China, why grow and produce the raw goods here when we don’t even make the clothing anymore? Bingo. I remember the "Cotton: the fabric of our lives" ads. Even the awful "look for the union label" ads. If you look at farmed acreage, over the last 50-60 years, it has dropped heavily in almost all lower 48 states, but particularly in the cotton growing states. ETA: overall farmed acreage dropped, so I am confident that cotton growing was heavily reduced or replaced with other crops. Ethanol production, anyone? Offshoring cotton growing to China was certainly part of the genocide on American apparel manufacturing, which was helped along by the garment workers unions. I can't imagine the backroom deals made during the Clinton years, with full on fellating of China, which kicked the American clothing industry off a cliff. Pair all that with the Chinese use of slave labor and advancements in automation (through whatever means) and there is virtually no way to compete with China for the production of clothing, or for the raw materials, including cotton. The side result of gutting our onshore capability to make gunpowder is a happy side effect for the Leftists who desire America brought to its knees. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:10:03 AM EDT
[#29]
You want nitrocellulose? I can get you nitrocellulose.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:20:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CastleBravo91: You want nitrocellulose? I can get you nitrocellulose. i think you misheard me. i said i want nitroglycerine, not nitrocellulose. 
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:26:03 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Positronic: Strategically speaking: We are deeply fucked. Don't worry, China will still send us our medical drug precursors when we go to war with them over Taiwan. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:29:27 AM EDT
[#32]
It would seem to me that a country that was large and full of farmable land and other abundant natural resources could operate independently from imports while also being in a great position for trade deals. I wish I lived in such a country.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:34:18 AM EDT
[#33]
We have the capability to make it in abundance........we are just stupid and decided to let the Chinese do everything for us
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:41:08 AM EDT
[#34]
Victory cotton gardens, a cotton garden in every backyard. As a side note you have to let the state of LA know if you do grow cotton in your backyard. You
need to set out traps for boll weevils. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:51:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: So….after spending a bit reading about nitrocellulose production, I have seen zero mention of magical cotton strains that produce superior cotton linter. I can't imagine the length of the fiber has anything to do with nitrocellulose production. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:51:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TexanInOhio4: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/this-gif-793.gif These greedy companies are whining because China was providing cheap cotton. I’m sure domestic cotton makes nitrocellulose of equal quality, but just costs a little more. Greedy shareholders will be the ones bitching the most. Profit above country. Always been that way. Billionaires can afford to move to other countries or several countries if the need arises. The vast majority of the masses can get fucked for all they care. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:53:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:55:17 AM EDT
[#38]
ITS ELECTION YEAR - we need a good old fashion gun and ammo panick
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:55:30 AM EDT
[#39]
We need to find a gunpowder replacement made from fentanyl precursors. China certainly hasn't slowed the shipments of that. Asshoes.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 9:04:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drfroglegs: It's so fucking easy to make. You literally mix cotton with nitric/sulfuric acid mixture. We make some extremely complex pharmaceuticals, I think we can figure it out. The big question is why don't we make it here? The answer is probably EPA/OSHA. This. We strangled our own industry, outsourced it to third world shitholes willing to pollute wholesale, and gave up our place as an economic leader. We were sold out by MBA's |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 9:06:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CastleBravo91: You want nitrocellulose? I can get you nitrocellulose. But can it have green nail polish? |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 9:07:21 AM EDT
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what we don't have cellulose and acid in America?
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Posted: 5/15/2024 9:08:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MATTINFAIRBORN: We need to find a gunpowder replacement made from fentanyl precursors. China certainly hasn't slowed the shipments of that. Asshoes. There is a significant number of closed paper mills in Wi these days. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 9:10:05 AM EDT
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India produces almost as much cotton as China, and Brazil is the #3 producer in the world followed by the US.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 9:11:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Pallas]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 10mmManiac: That's racist Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 10mmManiac: Originally Posted By phatmax: If only the USA had a cotton growing industry. That's racist  Picking cotton on a racist fieldtrip If we ever get into a conflict with China, the US is going to be a mess domestically. You will have people protesting the war (draft, if one), people protesting because there are shortages of a huge number of things, and people protesting because companies want holds/exemptions on environmental regulations so they can actually make things in the US.  Did I miss any groups?Also... Fuck Vista. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 9:12:04 AM EDT
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Bunch of hogwash
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Posted: 5/15/2024 9:16:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Golden-Arm: i think you misheard me. i said i want nitroglycerine, not nitrocellulose. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Golden-Arm: Originally Posted By CastleBravo91: You want nitrocellulose? I can get you nitrocellulose. i think you misheard me. i said i want nitroglycerine, not nitrocellulose. Will you settle for fuming nitric acid and an instruction sheet? |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 9:17:03 AM EDT
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So what you're telling me is that those boxes and boxes of old 100% cotton T shirts and jeans in my basement are now worth a fortune!
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Posted: 5/15/2024 9:23:18 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TexanInOhio4: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/this-gif-793.gif These greedy companies are whining because China was providing cheap cotton. I’m sure domestic cotton makes nitrocellulose of equal quality, but just costs a little more. Yep. We certainly turned out tons of it during WW2 and we weren’t getting any cotton from China |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 9:28:01 AM EDT
[#50]
Originally Posted By SnoGoRider: "To make powder, you need a specific kind of cotton, which mostly comes from China," he said. Nitrocellulose, also known as guncotton, is a key ingredient in gunpowder manufacture. "Would you know it, deliveries of this cotton from China stopped as if by chance a few months ago," Breton added. China and Russia have in recent years ramped up economic cooperation and diplomatic contacts, and their strategic partnership has grown closer since the invasion of Ukraine. In Russia this week, China's Vice Foreign Minister Sun Weidong declared relations "are at their best period in history". Breton said that "Nordic countries have found a substitute for the Chinese cotton... innovation is at work, precisely to meet the need for powder, because... we have problems today with powder capacity". Companies producing the substitute ingredients for powder would be among those selected for grants under the EU's Act In Support of Ammunition Production (ASAP) to be announced next week, Breton said. https://www.barrons.com/news/europe-battles-powder-shortage-to-supply-shells-for-ukraine-0173c7d0 Huh, I remember a few GD posters saying Russia was turning into China's bitch last year over their oil sales to china. I wonder if the chinese stopped their importation of said cotton into Russia? |
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