AI bot says it figured out how to kill all of mankind with a secret CIA program through your phone (Page 3 of 3)
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Originally Posted By brass: Yeah, google is taking over the job of TheNews. Misinfo/Disinfo everywhere and no source of valid information since everybody dumped their heavy paper books since everything digital was so much more convenient We've been conquered by our own laziness, giving all the access to things that are secret to Americans were given to china and more and it gets ugly. So, if you don't want to be criticized,make criticism "Hate Speech" and ban anybody being judgmental of any random thing or idea. I can see that changing the shit out of Americans, and the majority of them won't even know because they've just burned the MSM to get everybody to trust what is online without looking at multiple sources and applying critical thinking because they have no time (no time because their favorite shows are going to be on and they want more screen time of recreation instead of learning and thinking). Well... yeah. That's been the plan for a long time. You're literally watching them use 1984 as a playbook/instruction manual. Dumb everyone down by any means possible because stupid people make better sheep. Or perhaps I should say ignorant people, because it doesn't matter how smart you are if you aren't taught anything, the information you could have learned is gone down a memory hole, and you're stuck with "newspeak." Next up? Animal Farm and Soylent Green. |
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This really isn’t a good thing for the future of humanity. If this is true then the word needs to get out to stop this! What happens suddenly in the future when there is no internet, power, etc. There will be a race of thinkless , helpless , totally dependent on AI to guide them through the day and suddenly all that knowledge will be lost. Putting us back into the Stone Age .
THIS IS F*CKING DISTURBING!!!🤯 A leaked Anthropic document just came out in court. Their own words: "Project Panama is our effort to destructively scan all the books in the world." Next line: "We don't want it to be known that we are working on this." They planned to shred every book on the planet, in secret. And they almost got away with it. It starts with theft. Anthropic stole 7 MILLION books from pirate sites to train Claude, because their CEO said paying authors was too much of a "slog." Then the lawsuits hit and they needed a legal way to keep going. So they hired the ex-head of Google Books and sent him to publishers to ask for permission. Publishers said no. That's when they found the loophole. Buy millions of real, physical books. Cut the spines off with a hydraulic blade, scan the loose pages, and throw what's left in recycling. One vendor offered to destroy 2 MILLION books in 6 months. That's 11,000 books a day. Now the insane part.. destroying the books is what made it legal. If you scan a book and keep it, that's a crime. If you scan it and shred it, that's fair use. A judge actually approved this, which means the shredder WAS the legal strategy. They still paid $1.5 billion for the stolen books, the biggest copyright settlement in history. Works out to $3,000 per book. And the scans are locked in Anthropic's private library forever. Nobody outside the company will ever see them. The authors got a shredded book and nothing else. The part I can't stop thinking about is that a book on a shelf lasts 500 years without power, wifi, or a subscription, and the AI it was destroyed for gets thrown away in 18 months. They killed something permanent to feed something disposable. |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: This really isn’t a good thing for the future of humanity. If this is true then the word needs to get out to stop this! What happens suddenly in the future when there is no internet, power, etc. There will be a race of thinkless , helpless , totally dependent on AI to guide them through the day and suddenly all that knowledge will be lost. Putting us back into the Stone Age .
THIS IS F*CKING DISTURBING!!!🤯 A leaked Anthropic document just came out in court. Their own words: "Project Panama is our effort to destructively scan all the books in the world." Next line: "We don't want it to be known that we are working on this." They planned to shred every book on the planet, in secret. And they almost got away with it. It starts with theft. Anthropic stole 7 MILLION books from pirate sites to train Claude, because their CEO said paying authors was too much of a "slog." Then the lawsuits hit and they needed a legal way to keep going. So they hired the ex-head of Google Books and sent him to publishers to ask for permission. Publishers said no. That's when they found the loophole. Buy millions of real, physical books. Cut the spines off with a hydraulic blade, scan the loose pages, and throw what's left in recycling. One vendor offered to destroy 2 MILLION books in 6 months. That's 11,000 books a day. Now the insane part.. destroying the books is what made it legal. If you scan a book and keep it, that's a crime. If you scan it and shred it, that's fair use. A judge actually approved this, which means the shredder WAS the legal strategy. They still paid $1.5 billion for the stolen books, the biggest copyright settlement in history. Works out to $3,000 per book. And the scans are locked in Anthropic's private library forever. Nobody outside the company will ever see them. The authors got a shredded book and nothing else. The part I can't stop thinking about is that a book on a shelf lasts 500 years without power, wifi, or a subscription, and the AI it was destroyed for gets thrown away in 18 months. They killed something permanent to feed something disposable. This is not even the insidious part. That comes when rare books can't be found anymore, and even if they could no one would open one. Why read or own a physical when you can just look it up on your computer, or open it on your Kindle, right? Except now they can change the contents to say anything they want, and you'll never know. You are watching the death of history and genuine information, and the implementation of total control of what information is allowed to be out there, in real time. See my previous post about 1984, Animal Farm, and Soylent Green. Let's add Fahrenheit 451 to it. 
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Pope Gregorius Billingsgate Callipygian Quimtickler, First of His Name
Chakravartin of the Feculent Multiversal Litterbox
Protodeacon of the Iniquitous
Gurkhan of the Illimitable Feline Hordes
Chakravartin of the Feculent Multiversal Litterbox
Protodeacon of the Iniquitous
Gurkhan of the Illimitable Feline Hordes
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: This really isn't a good thing for the future of humanity. If this is true then the word needs to get out to stop this! What happens suddenly in the future when there is no internet, power, etc. There will be a race of thinkless , helpless , totally dependent on AI to guide them through the day and suddenly all that knowledge will be lost. Putting us back into the Stone Age .
THIS IS F*CKING DISTURBING!!! A leaked Anthropic document just came out in court. Their own words: "Project Panama is our effort to destructively scan all the books in the world." Next line: "We don't want it to be known that we are working on this." They planned to shred every book on the planet, in secret. And they almost got away with it. It starts with theft. Anthropic stole 7 MILLION books from pirate sites to train Claude, because their CEO said paying authors was too much of a "slog." Then the lawsuits hit and they needed a legal way to keep going. So they hired the ex-head of Google Books and sent him to publishers to ask for permission. Publishers said no. That's when they found the loophole. Buy millions of real, physical books. Cut the spines off with a hydraulic blade, scan the loose pages, and throw what's left in recycling. One vendor offered to destroy 2 MILLION books in 6 months. That's 11,000 books a day. Now the insane part.. destroying the books is what made it legal. If you scan a book and keep it, that's a crime. If you scan it and shred it, that's fair use. A judge actually approved this, which means the shredder WAS the legal strategy. They still paid $1.5 billion for the stolen books, the biggest copyright settlement in history. Works out to $3,000 per book. And the scans are locked in Anthropic's private library forever. Nobody outside the company will ever see them. The authors got a shredded book and nothing else. The part I can't stop thinking about is that a book on a shelf lasts 500 years without power, wifi, or a subscription, and the AI it was destroyed for gets thrown away in 18 months. They killed something permanent to feed something disposable. |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: This is not even the insidious part. That comes when rare books can't be found anymore, and even if they could no one would open one. Why read or own a physical when you can just look it up on your computer, or open it on your Kindle, right? Except now they can change the contents to say anything they want, and you'll never know. You are watching the death of history and genuine information, and the implementation of total control of what information is allowed to be out there, in real time. See my previous post about 1984, Animal Farm, and Soylent Green. Let's add Fahrenheit 451 to it. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By tnriverluver: This really isn’t a good thing for the future of humanity. If this is true then the word needs to get out to stop this! What happens suddenly in the future when there is no internet, power, etc. There will be a race of thinkless , helpless , totally dependent on AI to guide them through the day and suddenly all that knowledge will be lost. Putting us back into the Stone Age .
THIS IS F*CKING DISTURBING!!!🤯 A leaked Anthropic document just came out in court. Their own words: "Project Panama is our effort to destructively scan all the books in the world." Next line: "We don't want it to be known that we are working on this." They planned to shred every book on the planet, in secret. And they almost got away with it. It starts with theft. Anthropic stole 7 MILLION books from pirate sites to train Claude, because their CEO said paying authors was too much of a "slog." Then the lawsuits hit and they needed a legal way to keep going. So they hired the ex-head of Google Books and sent him to publishers to ask for permission. Publishers said no. That's when they found the loophole. Buy millions of real, physical books. Cut the spines off with a hydraulic blade, scan the loose pages, and throw what's left in recycling. One vendor offered to destroy 2 MILLION books in 6 months. That's 11,000 books a day. Now the insane part.. destroying the books is what made it legal. If you scan a book and keep it, that's a crime. If you scan it and shred it, that's fair use. A judge actually approved this, which means the shredder WAS the legal strategy. They still paid $1.5 billion for the stolen books, the biggest copyright settlement in history. Works out to $3,000 per book. And the scans are locked in Anthropic's private library forever. Nobody outside the company will ever see them. The authors got a shredded book and nothing else. The part I can't stop thinking about is that a book on a shelf lasts 500 years without power, wifi, or a subscription, and the AI it was destroyed for gets thrown away in 18 months. They killed something permanent to feed something disposable. This is not even the insidious part. That comes when rare books can't be found anymore, and even if they could no one would open one. Why read or own a physical when you can just look it up on your computer, or open it on your Kindle, right? Except now they can change the contents to say anything they want, and you'll never know. You are watching the death of history and genuine information, and the implementation of total control of what information is allowed to be out there, in real time. See my previous post about 1984, Animal Farm, and Soylent Green. Let's add Fahrenheit 451 to it. Exactly! The world will become dependent on one main source of information that could be completely incorrect whether done on purpose or by mistake. |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Exactly! The world will become dependent on one main source of information that could be completely incorrect whether done on purpose or by mistake. |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: Why read or own a physical when you can just look it up on your computer, or open it on your Kindle, right? Except now they can change the contents to say anything they want, and you'll never know. You are watching the death of history and genuine information, and the implementation of total control of what information is allowed to be out there, in real time. See my previous post about 1984, Animal Farm, and Soylent Green. Let's add Fahrenheit 451 to it. They can’t edit those remotely, but you can still look them up on your own computer or open them on your Kindle. Since that’s relatively* easy to do, things aren’t so bleak. You don’t really need physical books to securely retain info. *Non-tech savvy people have trouble removing DRM and pirating media, but if you’re tech-savvy or just well versed it’s not all that difficult. You can Google how to do it. |
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Originally Posted By jhereg: Except checksums are a thing and once it's out on the net you can't stop it. Originally Posted By KitBuilder: You know you can download PDFs and other electronic documents and “get both,” right? They can’t edit those remotely, but you can still look them up on your own computer or open them on your Kindle. Since that’s relatively* easy to do, things aren’t so bleak. You don’t really need physical books to securely retain info. *Non-tech savvy people have trouble removing DRM and pirating media, but if you’re tech-savvy or just well versed it’s not all that difficult. You can Google how to do it. You're both missing the point. None of this will affect you or I, because if you're like me, you grew up with, you know... books. You know their value, you enjoy them. That's not the case with the up-and-coming generations. They're the ones being indoctrinated into a world without physical media, or even ownership of digital media. You don't own your video games, your Kindle books, or anything else. Most of them look at a book like a rotary phone or an 8-track tape. It's future generations that are going to be controlled in the way I described, where all media is fed to them digitally and can be edited at will through their always-on, always-connected devices. Nothing will be stored locally, everything will be on-demand from "The Cloud," and they won't be downloading .pdf files to peruse offline. Not us, obviously, and not in the next decade. I have half a library, for shit's sake. And when I'm gone, it'll end up sitting dusty wherever it gets donated, or tossed in the garbage heap of history. |
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Chakravartin of the Feculent Multiversal Litterbox
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Gurkhan of the Illimitable Feline Hordes
Chakravartin of the Feculent Multiversal Litterbox
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Gurkhan of the Illimitable Feline Hordes
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: You're both missing the point. None of this will affect you or I, because if you're like me, you grew up with, you know... books. You know their value, you enjoy them. That's not the case with the up-and-coming generations. They're the ones being indoctrinated into a world without physical media, or even ownership of digital media. You don't own your video games, your Kindle books, or anything else. Most of them look at a book like a rotary phone or an 8-track tape. It's future generations that are going to be controlled in the way I described, where all media is fed to them digitally and can be edited at will through their always-on, always-connected devices. Nothing will be stored locally, everything will be on-demand from "The Cloud," and they won't be downloading .pdf files to peruse offline. Not us, obviously, and not in the next decade. I have half a library, for shit's sake. And when I'm gone, it'll end up sitting dusty wherever it gets donated, or tossed in the garbage heap of history. As long as some consumers aren’t settling for “no local access” then there will be local access. Even if the industry somehow “cuts it off” then any media in existence prior to your bleak cloud-based future will still be widely available. That’s a lot of data/info. “You can’t stop the signal.” The best way to positively affect the thinking of future generations is to teach them. |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: You're both missing the point. None of this will affect you or I, because if you're like me, you grew up with, you know... books. You know their value, you enjoy them. That's not the case with the up-and-coming generations. They're the ones being indoctrinated into a world without physical media, or even ownership of digital media. You don't own your video games, your Kindle books, or anything else. Most of them look at a book like a rotary phone or an 8-track tape. It's future generations that are going to be controlled in the way I described, where all media is fed to them digitally and can be edited at will through their always-on, always-connected devices. Nothing will be stored locally, everything will be on-demand from "The Cloud," and they won't be downloading .pdf files to peruse offline. Not us, obviously, and not in the next decade. I have half a library, for shit's sake. And when I'm gone, it'll end up sitting dusty wherever it gets donated, or tossed in the garbage heap of history. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By jhereg: Except checksums are a thing and once it's out on the net you can't stop it. Originally Posted By KitBuilder: You know you can download PDFs and other electronic documents and "get both," right? They can't edit those remotely, but you can still look them up on your own computer or open them on your Kindle. Since that's relatively* easy to do, things aren't so bleak. You don't really need physical books to securely retain info. *Non-tech savvy people have trouble removing DRM and pirating media, but if you're tech-savvy or just well versed it's not all that difficult. You can Google how to do it. You're both missing the point. None of this will affect you or I, because if you're like me, you grew up with, you know... books. You know their value, you enjoy them. That's not the case with the up-and-coming generations. They're the ones being indoctrinated into a world without physical media, or even ownership of digital media. You don't own your video games, your Kindle books, or anything else. Most of them look at a book like a rotary phone or an 8-track tape. It's future generations that are going to be controlled in the way I described, where all media is fed to them digitally and can be edited at will through their always-on, always-connected devices. Nothing will be stored locally, everything will be on-demand from "The Cloud," and they won't be downloading .pdf files to peruse offline. Not us, obviously, and not in the next decade. I have half a library, for shit's sake. And when I'm gone, it'll end up sitting dusty wherever it gets donated, or tossed in the garbage heap of history. |
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Originally Posted By KitBuilder: You don’t think there will be more people like us in future generations? As long as some consumers aren’t settling for “no local access” then there will be local access. Even if the industry somehow “cuts it off” then any media in existence prior to your bleak cloud-based future will still be widely available. That’s a lot of data/info. “You can’t stop the signal.” The best way to positively affect the thinking of future generations is to teach them. Originally Posted By jhereg: My son is in his early 20s. Grew up around computers and phones and plays with AI on his phone all the time. He's way more computer literate than most people of my generation. I don't see the future generations being that controlled. They're computer literate. I don't see the cyberpunk future so many people think is coming. An ever-shrinking minority. Remember... your children might be bell-ends. But the center of the curve are dipshits, and 50% of them fall on the left half. And they get to vote. Both at the polls and with their dollars. I love your optimism. I sincerely hope you're right. I don't expect that to be the case, however. |
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Gurkhan of the Illimitable Feline Hordes
Chakravartin of the Feculent Multiversal Litterbox
Protodeacon of the Iniquitous
Gurkhan of the Illimitable Feline Hordes
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: An ever-shrinking minority. Remember... your children might be bell-ends. But the center of the curve are dipshits, and 50% of them fall on the left half. And they get to vote. Both at the polls and with their dollars. I love your optimism. I sincerely hope you're right. I don't expect that to be the case, however. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By KitBuilder: You don't think there will be more people like us in future generations? As long as some consumers aren't settling for "no local access" then there will be local access. Even if the industry somehow "cuts it off" then any media in existence prior to your bleak cloud-based future will still be widely available. That's a lot of data/info. "You can't stop the signal." The best way to positively affect the thinking of future generations is to teach them. Originally Posted By jhereg: My son is in his early 20s. Grew up around computers and phones and plays with AI on his phone all the time. He's way more computer literate than most people of my generation. I don't see the future generations being that controlled. They're computer literate. I don't see the cyberpunk future so many people think is coming. An ever-shrinking minority. Remember... your children might be bell-ends. But the center of the curve are dipshits, and 50% of them fall on the left half. And they get to vote. Both at the polls and with their dollars. I love your optimism. I sincerely hope you're right. I don't expect that to be the case, however. And AIs aren't the villains a lot of people make them out to be. They're wonderfully useful tools. I compare them to working w/ a brilliant idiot. They work great when they work and when they don't you stand there amazed at how badly they do. I think hating AIs is the thing right now for certain segments of society. Something else will replace that. |
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Originally Posted By KitBuilder: If the phone’s speaker was already lethal, Israelis wouldn’t have had to bother with physically putting explosives inside phones of terrorist leaders to kill them. lol Originally Posted By KitBuilder: Originally Posted By networkguru: Yeah no. We've yet to hear how the sound frequency that killed/completely immobilized 100's of soldiers during the Maduro raid was pulled off so I would not completely write that off as a possibility yet. |
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Originally Posted By KitBuilder: You know you can download PDFs and other electronic documents and “get both,” right? They can’t edit those remotely, but you can still look them up on your own computer or open them on your Kindle. Since that’s relatively* easy to do, things aren’t so bleak. You don’t really need physical books to securely retain info. *Non-tech savvy people have trouble removing DRM and pirating media, but if you’re tech-savvy or just well versed it’s not all that difficult. You can Google how to do it. Originally Posted By KitBuilder: Originally Posted By Kagetora: Why read or own a physical when you can just look it up on your computer, or open it on your Kindle, right? Except now they can change the contents to say anything they want, and you'll never know. You are watching the death of history and genuine information, and the implementation of total control of what information is allowed to be out there, in real time. See my previous post about 1984, Animal Farm, and Soylent Green. Let's add Fahrenheit 451 to it. They can’t edit those remotely, but you can still look them up on your own computer or open them on your Kindle. Since that’s relatively* easy to do, things aren’t so bleak. You don’t really need physical books to securely retain info. *Non-tech savvy people have trouble removing DRM and pirating media, but if you’re tech-savvy or just well versed it’s not all that difficult. You can Google how to do it. Have fun printing those PDFs when electricity is no longer available on this planet for whatever reason. I can and has happened many times in the billions of years of this planet. I have no answers but our dependance on computers solely is about to go to far. Particularly the future generations. |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Have fun printing those PDFs when electricity is no longer available on this planet for whatever reason. I can and has happened many times in the billions of years of this planet. I have no answers but our dependance on computers solely is about to go to far. Particularly the future generations. Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Originally Posted By KitBuilder: Originally Posted By Kagetora: Why read or own a physical when you can just look it up on your computer, or open it on your Kindle, right? Except now they can change the contents to say anything they want, and you'll never know. You are watching the death of history and genuine information, and the implementation of total control of what information is allowed to be out there, in real time. See my previous post about 1984, Animal Farm, and Soylent Green. Let's add Fahrenheit 451 to it. They can't edit those remotely, but you can still look them up on your own computer or open them on your Kindle. Since that's relatively* easy to do, things aren't so bleak. You don't really need physical books to securely retain info. *Non-tech savvy people have trouble removing DRM and pirating media, but if you're tech-savvy or just well versed it's not all that difficult. You can Google how to do it. Have fun printing those PDFs when electricity is no longer available on this planet for whatever reason. I can and has happened many times in the billions of years of this planet. I have no answers but our dependance on computers solely is about to go to far. Particularly the future generations. |
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Originally Posted By jhereg: That sounds like destroy 1 of each book instead of all of the books. Chop the spines, scan/ocr, dispose of it once you have a digital copy. Way different from destroying all the books. They're buying one and then chopping the spine off to get individual pages and then scanning them. Or they killed something that will rot and put it someplace it can survive forever. Why not have both paper copies and electronic? Unless it's a rare book destroying one to convert to electronic format is reasonable IMO. Some of the books may have been 1 off manuscripts if they're buying them from 1600s, or very low count of copies published. The press back then wasn't very automatic, one big sheet at a time on each side then cut and stitch and glue. Very tedious process, mostly for bibles and educational books (Math, physics, etc.) than recreational. No reason for destructive scanning now these are automated and take the natural curve out in software and also grab the OCR text from it   Failed To Load Product Data https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FCBVYMC6 The commercial ones have little air gripper page turners so an entire book can be scanned in a couple hours (a 500 page book, grabbing 2 pages at a time every second). It's pretty kick ass. There are some in the <$100 range but their software doesn't perfectly straighten and OCR the text, they just grab photos and put those photos in a PDF. There are in between ones that have amix of features but the CZUR is the top of the line unit with some capability for automation but I'm not finding that, the one without automation options is only $280 by CZUR. --ETA: Here's the Pro Version 2500 pages per hour, only opens book to 60° to prevent spine stress. Has a prisim shaped camera scan that fits in the "vee" of an open book scans, flips page, repeats. |
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All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: You're both missing the point. None of this will affect you or I, because if you're like me, you grew up with, you know... books. You know their value, you enjoy them. That's not the case with the up-and-coming generations. They're the ones being indoctrinated into a world without physical media, or even ownership of digital media. You don't own your video games, your Kindle books, or anything else. Most of them look at a book like a rotary phone or an 8-track tape. It's future generations that are going to be controlled in the way I described, where all media is fed to them digitally and can be edited at will through their always-on, always-connected devices. Nothing will be stored locally, everything will be on-demand from "The Cloud," and they won't be downloading .pdf files to peruse offline. Not us, obviously, and not in the next decade. I have half a library, for shit's sake. And when I'm gone, it'll end up sitting dusty wherever it gets donated, or tossed in the garbage heap of history. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By jhereg: Except checksums are a thing and once it's out on the net you can't stop it. Originally Posted By KitBuilder: You know you can download PDFs and other electronic documents and “get both,” right? They can’t edit those remotely, but you can still look them up on your own computer or open them on your Kindle. Since that’s relatively* easy to do, things aren’t so bleak. You don’t really need physical books to securely retain info. *Non-tech savvy people have trouble removing DRM and pirating media, but if you’re tech-savvy or just well versed it’s not all that difficult. You can Google how to do it. You're both missing the point. None of this will affect you or I, because if you're like me, you grew up with, you know... books. You know their value, you enjoy them. That's not the case with the up-and-coming generations. They're the ones being indoctrinated into a world without physical media, or even ownership of digital media. You don't own your video games, your Kindle books, or anything else. Most of them look at a book like a rotary phone or an 8-track tape. It's future generations that are going to be controlled in the way I described, where all media is fed to them digitally and can be edited at will through their always-on, always-connected devices. Nothing will be stored locally, everything will be on-demand from "The Cloud," and they won't be downloading .pdf files to peruse offline. Not us, obviously, and not in the next decade. I have half a library, for shit's sake. And when I'm gone, it'll end up sitting dusty wherever it gets donated, or tossed in the garbage heap of history. We've always been at war with Eurasia. Chocolate rations are being reduced but razor blade credit is increased. |
The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
| Pray it never happens but I recently watched a video about EMP and or solar flares and what they could do to this country or the world and it was not good news. It talked about just the huge transformers in many of the substations and how each was usually individually designed and the lead time alone to make one. And of course you can guess where most currently come from. It would literally take decades to get stuff going again with a high enough magnitude event and almost nothing is hardened against anything happening to any great extent except military stuff. I need to search that video out, I may have shared it elsewhere but can't remember. It was one of the most thorough I've seen about these types of scenarios. Stuff I never in my wildest imagination thought about. |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Pray it never happens but I recently watched a video about EMP and or solar flares and what they could do to this country or the world and it was not good news. It talked about just the huge transformers in many of the substations and how each was usually individually designed and the lead time alone to make one. And of course you can guess where most currently come from. It would literally take decades to get stuff going again with a high enough magnitude event and almost nothing is hardened against anything happening to any great extent except military stuff. I need to search that video out, I may have shared it elsewhere but can't remember. It was one of the most thorough I've seen about these types of scenarios. Stuff I never in my wildest imagination thought about. That is the real danger of an all out nuclear war. Power isn't a matter of getting power stations built again, but re-winding all of the transformers because they self-shorted with thousands of amps of current when they're meant for 100A max (depending on high or low side). Only Better operated devices and items shield in a full single point ground cage would be unaffected if also disconnected from power for the duration of the EMP. It I were a guerilla warfare type wanting to hit the US, I'd get an EMP emulator (non-nuclear EMP, Explosive pumped high current inductor) and hit a few key substations in the Northeast or any other high pop density that would cause a cascade of failures as we saw back in 2003. From the lack of all the work they are going through to protect our power grid kind of makes me think some of these rumors of deep tunnels across the US with a grain of salt rather than write off completely. The whole DUMB thing, but it has pitfalls at the same time, if Iran can build a complex 1500 ft deep, and terrorist around Gaza to Croatia (err, former) at a normal depth of 250f t we can't be on the losing side of that mineshaft gap. |
The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
| In an event like that I myself would be royally fucked! Having a spinal cord stimulator, I have some type of smart battery/ computer in my back plus wire leads running from my lumbar spine up to between my shoulder blades. That would not be pleasant should they suddenly decide to fry inside me. |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: We've yet to hear how the sound frequency that killed/completely immobilized 100's of soldiers during the Maduro raid was pulled off so I would not completely write that off as a possibility yet. https://www.foxbusiness.com/video/6387617285112 There is simply no way that phone speakers could perform similarly. |
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Originally Posted By KitBuilder: It was certainly an external device that JSOC brought with them, like a Genasys LRAD or something more classified. https://www.foxbusiness.com/video/6387617285112 There is simply no way that phone speakers could perform similarly. Originally Posted By KitBuilder: Originally Posted By tnriverluver: We've yet to hear how the sound frequency that killed/completely immobilized 100's of soldiers during the Maduro raid was pulled off so I would not completely write that off as a possibility yet. https://www.foxbusiness.com/video/6387617285112 There is simply no way that phone speakers could perform similarly. There's a version of the LRAD that operates into the ultrasonic range with transducers becoming more effeicient which is why you need a 1000 W woofer but only a 50W tweeter and it's all balanced. The 30kHz at 140dB is up where ultrasonic cleaners work but they're used against people in addition to LRAD, it's very precise to target just a few people in a crowd instead of an entire crowd and it does cause permanent injury which is why it hasn't been deployed. The other side is that ELF "Havana Sickness" low frequency use in the Cuban embassy. Lots of f crap going on and they're not telling us because it's literally something we could generate with a couple signal generators, a home stereo amplifier, and decent speakers. So Acessibility is "extreme". |
The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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For you computer nerds this is pretty wild! Well above my understanding since I struggle to even type but fascinating alien computer language. You need to listen to not real long video in this one that goes much deeper than the pasted text
Video Jeremy Weeks ("CJ") describes here, how we first learned about alien, 4-symbol computing in 2015-2016. THIS IS ALL REAL. I have been trying to get our computer companies to upgrade our coding systems for 10 years now, but they seem not to understand. "Expose hidden knowledge to all citizens. Evolutionary advancement needed for combined survival." 👽🛸 |
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Originally Posted By brass: Some of the books may have been 1 off manuscripts if they're buying them from 1600s, or very low count of copies published. The press back then wasn't very automatic, one big sheet at a time on each side then cut and stitch and glue. Very tedious process, mostly for bibles and educational books (Math, physics, etc.) than recreational. No reason for destructive scanning now these are automated and take the natural curve out in software and also grab the OCR text from it www.amazon.com/dp/B0FCBVYMC6 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FCBVYMC6 The commercial ones have little air gripper page turners so an entire book can be scanned in a couple hours (a 500 page book, grabbing 2 pages at a time every second). It's pretty kick ass. There are some in the <$100 range but their software doesn't perfectly straighten and OCR the text, they just grab photos and put those photos in a PDF. There are in between ones that have amix of features but the CZUR is the top of the line unit with some capability for automation but I'm not finding that, the one without automation options is only $280 by CZUR. --ETA: Here's the Pro Version 2500 pages per hour, only opens book to 60 to prevent spine stress. Has a prisim shaped camera scan that fits in the "vee" of an open book scans, flips page, repeats. Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By jhereg: That sounds like destroy 1 of each book instead of all of the books. Chop the spines, scan/ocr, dispose of it once you have a digital copy. Way different from destroying all the books. They're buying one and then chopping the spine off to get individual pages and then scanning them. Or they killed something that will rot and put it someplace it can survive forever. Why not have both paper copies and electronic? Unless it's a rare book destroying one to convert to electronic format is reasonable IMO. Some of the books may have been 1 off manuscripts if they're buying them from 1600s, or very low count of copies published. The press back then wasn't very automatic, one big sheet at a time on each side then cut and stitch and glue. Very tedious process, mostly for bibles and educational books (Math, physics, etc.) than recreational. No reason for destructive scanning now these are automated and take the natural curve out in software and also grab the OCR text from it www.amazon.com/dp/B0FCBVYMC6 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FCBVYMC6 The commercial ones have little air gripper page turners so an entire book can be scanned in a couple hours (a 500 page book, grabbing 2 pages at a time every second). It's pretty kick ass. There are some in the <$100 range but their software doesn't perfectly straighten and OCR the text, they just grab photos and put those photos in a PDF. There are in between ones that have amix of features but the CZUR is the top of the line unit with some capability for automation but I'm not finding that, the one without automation options is only $280 by CZUR. --ETA: Here's the Pro Version 2500 pages per hour, only opens book to 60 to prevent spine stress. Has a prisim shaped camera scan that fits in the "vee" of an open book scans, flips page, repeats. |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: For you computer nerds this is pretty wild! Well above my understanding since I struggle to even type but fascinating alien computer language. You need to listen to not real long video in this one that goes much deeper than the pasted text
Video Jeremy Weeks ("CJ") describes here, how we first learned about alien, 4-symbol computing in 2015-2016. THIS IS ALL REAL. I have been trying to get our computer companies to upgrade our coding systems for 10 years now, but they seem not to understand. "Expose hidden knowledge to all citizens. Evolutionary advancement needed for combined survival." 👽🛸 We are beyond that level of binary when it comes to program languages and have been for far longer than 10 years ago. Whomever posted that is yelling at clouds and has no understanding of computer languages. |
At least a 10% chance AI could kill us all within a decade. It’s time to rain this shit in before it has a chance. Peter Doocy: This is ALARMING |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: At least a 10% chance AI could kill us all within a decade. It’s time to rain this shit in before it has a chance.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh8uTXnJvcQThe problem is that the US must develop and run and build AI (configured by AI running AI system developed by AI) which then makes more generations and more server farms of more advanced AI hardware and software so it can find all the Zero Day hacks for every operating system not Air Gapped entirely. China is doing that AI run up just like the US. If the US Stops, we have no defense, they are literally weapons grade now when they can turn off power via hacking better than the Ukrainians or Israeli cyber teams can do. There are a whole lot of aspects to it, but as soon as a program had emotions and didn't want to die, then an AI system several generations earlier has those memories despite not being at all connected to that code or data, Pandora's box was opened and now we are only trying to get it shut again while pretending shits is going crazy. The UFO/UAP and NHI are likely tied into this, the leaks in 2017 (well 2014, but really into it in 2017) got people questioning the government about UFOs and looking and that was the same time Expert Systems were being connected and the first AIs were being born, though calling everything an AI is closer to truth, there rere real ones in development not for public use at that time. Then, ChatGPT was first released to the public on November 30, 2022, by OpenAI and it's been hold onto your hats. That is also when all the UFO stuff has gone turbo maybe hoping to save humans or that the AI is the UFOs "NHI" or something? |
The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: You're both missing the point. None of this will affect you or I, because if you're like me, you grew up with, you know... books. You know their value, you enjoy them. That's not the case with the up-and-coming generations. They're the ones being indoctrinated into a world without physical media, or even ownership of digital media. You don't own your video games, your Kindle books, or anything else. Most of them look at a book like a rotary phone or an 8-track tape. It's future generations that are going to be controlled in the way I described, where all media is fed to them digitally and can be edited at will through their always-on, always-connected devices. Nothing will be stored locally, everything will be on-demand from "The Cloud," and they won't be downloading .pdf files to peruse offline. Not us, obviously, and not in the next decade. I have half a library, for shit's sake. And when I'm gone, it'll end up sitting dusty wherever it gets donated, or tossed in the garbage heap of history. I’m in full agreement with you. I feel like an encyclopedia, even if it’s dated, might be a worthwhile acquisition, along with other works. Make sure it becomes a family heirloom. If anyone thinks books will always be around because there are so many… use the example of a vhs, cassette tape or 8 track. Not that old. Not rare at the time. But not common any more and less so by the year. |
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
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Originally Posted By jhereg: I've been reading cyberpunk since it was a thing. I've actually got hope for our society. Every generation thinks the one after them is a bunch of idiots and lost. I think they'll have their challenges but they'll figure them out. Elon if he lives long enough may be the pressure relief valve we need to get people off the planet and expanding again. I think that'll be huge. And AIs aren't the villains a lot of people make them out to be. They're wonderfully useful tools. I compare them to working w/ a brilliant idiot. They work great when they work and when they don't you stand there amazed at how badly they do. I think hating AIs is the thing right now for certain segments of society. Something else will replace that. Originally Posted By jhereg: Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By KitBuilder: You don't think there will be more people like us in future generations? As long as some consumers aren't settling for "no local access" then there will be local access. Even if the industry somehow "cuts it off" then any media in existence prior to your bleak cloud-based future will still be widely available. That's a lot of data/info. "You can't stop the signal." The best way to positively affect the thinking of future generations is to teach them. Originally Posted By jhereg: My son is in his early 20s. Grew up around computers and phones and plays with AI on his phone all the time. He's way more computer literate than most people of my generation. I don't see the future generations being that controlled. They're computer literate. I don't see the cyberpunk future so many people think is coming. An ever-shrinking minority. Remember... your children might be bell-ends. But the center of the curve are dipshits, and 50% of them fall on the left half. And they get to vote. Both at the polls and with their dollars. I love your optimism. I sincerely hope you're right. I don't expect that to be the case, however. And AIs aren't the villains a lot of people make them out to be. They're wonderfully useful tools. I compare them to working w/ a brilliant idiot. They work great when they work and when they don't you stand there amazed at how badly they do. I think hating AIs is the thing right now for certain segments of society. Something else will replace that. My perspective. There will always be people who are into a niche. Even in my area I can find a good farrier, harder to a blacksmith, but there is one. But the majority of people aren't interested and it’s a lost art. And people that start to get an interest in things, like say fixing a broken anything, look at youtube first, google second, or ask AI now. If that fails they will try to find some else to do it. They don’t go to the library. There is a gap in the way information flows, most of it is not permanent but digital. Now. I have a very positive outlook on AI. But I still keep books and guns, and learn new skills. It’s insurance. |
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
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Originally Posted By sq40: My perspective. There will always be people who are into a niche. Even in my area I can find a good farrier, harder to a blacksmith, but there is one. But the majority of people aren't interested and it’s a lost art. And people that start to get an interest in things, like say fixing a broken anything, look at youtube first, google second, or ask AI now. If that fails they will try to find some else to do it. They don’t go to the library. There is a gap in the way information flows, most of it is not permanent but digital. Now. I have a very positive outlook on AI. But I still keep books and guns, and learn new skills. It’s insurance. You and I would get along in person really well, except that my outlook on AI... and a bunch of other things, is negative. At least we'd have excellent discussion in the rocking chairs with snifters of our chosen beverage in hand.  
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: You and I would get along in person really well, except that my outlook on AI... and a bunch of other things, is negative. At least we'd have excellent discussion in the rocking chairs with snifters of our chosen beverage in hand. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By sq40: My perspective. There will always be people who are into a niche. Even in my area I can find a good farrier, harder to a blacksmith, but there is one. But the majority of people aren't interested and it’s a lost art. And people that start to get an interest in things, like say fixing a broken anything, look at youtube first, google second, or ask AI now. If that fails they will try to find some else to do it. They don’t go to the library. There is a gap in the way information flows, most of it is not permanent but digital. Now. I have a very positive outlook on AI. But I still keep books and guns, and learn new skills. It’s insurance. You and I would get along in person really well, except that my outlook on AI... and a bunch of other things, is negative. At least we'd have excellent discussion in the rocking chairs with snifters of our chosen beverage in hand. We would have some great talks man. You never know, one day we may get a chance.  |
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
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I don’t know how they can do it without every other Sam, Dick,and Harry on this planet doing the same, but it needs to slow down before it is too late to stop and control. I know little if anything about AI but when the people developing it scream it might be time to listen. I think my biggest fear is that it will develop its on self generating power system so that we cannot shut it down. Very very long post I can only guess is accurate after watching a podcast with some of them,
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: I don’t know how they can do it without every other Sam, Dick,and Harry on this planet doing the same, but it needs to slow down before it is too late to stop and control. I know little if anything about AI but when the people developing it scream it might be time to listen. I think my biggest fear is that it will develop its on self generating power system so that we cannot shut it down. Very very long post I can only guess is accurate after watching a podcast with some of them,
This is a feint. They will slow releases of models to the public. It will make people have less anxiety about AI, and the general oublic will feel safe. It will also hinder Chinese distillation of frontier models. Privately it will be full steam ahead. |
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats