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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:17:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:18:08 PM EDT
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Quote Historythat's awesome I had gotten in to virtual production the last 3 years, learning unreal engine, cinematography, all of it. I have a 25x15' greenscreen studio and 12k cameras and all the lighting/tracking/etc. I'm wondering if it was a waste of time and money and if I should pivot and embrace the AI to make stuff instead as it improves. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:18:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:21:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYep, people use tools. But if all you're doing is inputting a prompt you didn't make shit. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:22:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, people use tools. But if all you're doing is inputting a prompt you didn't make shit. If all you do is press a button on a camera you didnt make shit. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:23:01 PM EDT
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The only art it can replace is stuff on a screen. There is a lot of other art out there.
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:23:48 PM EDT
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AI infused taytay disagrees
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:24:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If all you do is press a button on a camera you didnt make shit. Look I really dont care that much about photography. Not really what I'm talking about. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:24:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only art it can replace is stuff on a screen. There is a lot of other art out there. AI can easily make a Chris Cornell or Tom Petty song. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:25:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, people use tools. But if all you're doing is inputting a prompt you didn't make shit.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:26:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:27:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:27:41 PM EDT
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I agree. I’ve posted about it here too. AI will ruin visual art, cheapen and whore over everything.
It’s going to be one of the most demoralizing things in human history. However, most people are just homo sapiens animals, they won’t notice or care as long as Nextflix, Door Dash and Pornhub work. Not every person has a soul, most don’t. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:28:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If all you do is press a button on a camera you didnt make shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yep, people use tools. But if all you're doing is inputting a prompt you didn't make shit. If all you do is press a button on a camera you didnt make shit. EDIT: See Avatar |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:28:17 PM EDT
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AI Art Generators will probably save your friends LOTS of time and grief.
They could quickly (within the hour) give rough designs to customers and clients, then use THEIR skills, human brain, artistic license, and tastes to fine tune and refine the final product. Instead of spending a week generating concepts and spending another week back and forth with clients, they could quickly go down the best avenue, faster, with higher response times and more exact details. I use ChatGPT all the time for "filler" abstracts in some of my writing. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:28:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree. I’ve posted about it here too. AI will ruin visual art, cheapen and whore over everything. It’s going to be one of the most demoralizing things in human history. However, most people are just homo sapiens animals, they won’t notice or care as long as Nextflix, Door Dash and Pornhub work. omg thank you. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:28:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:29:20 PM EDT
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I spent a decade in commercial photography… I had a lighting tech warn me in 2015 that AI was going to destroy the commercial photo world and a laughed him off. He was right…
There are aspects of it that are absolutely incredible. It really does “democratize” production that was only available to clients with the highest budgets. As with video starting about 2015, if you can’t integrate AI into your business model now or near future… you’re going to starve as a photographer. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:29:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AI Art Generators will probably save your friends LOTS of time and grief. They could quickly (within the hour) give rough designs to customers and clients, then use THEIR skills, human brain, artistic license, and tastes to fine tune and refine the final product. Instead of spending a week generating concepts and spending another week back and forth with clients, they could quickly go down the best avenue, faster, with higher response times and more exact details. I use ChatGPT all the time for "filler" abstracts in some of my writing. Using it as a tool for efficiency is great. Not what I'm talking about. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:29:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good photography takes a heluvalot more than just pressing a button. Have to select switches, turn dials and slide the slidey thing too. A challenging craft for artisans. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:29:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:30:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If all you do is press a button on a camera you didnt make shit. Jeezus - the ignorance in that post is beyond belief! |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:30:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If all you do is press a button on a camera you didnt make shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yep, people use tools. But if all you're doing is inputting a prompt you didn't make shit. If all you do is press a button on a camera you didnt make shit. Nonsense. The camera didn't get there by itself. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:31:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AI can easily make a Chris Cornell or Tom Petty song. If a computer can easily make one by itself, consider that maybe the original wasn’t all that impressive in the first place? I dunno. Just thinking out loud. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:31:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Look I really dont care that much about photography. Not really what I'm talking about. What im getting at is it will just be another form of art, it will never replace the actual skill taken and put into a well drawn landscape or abstract. Will it replace some artists? Sure, the ones that make shit art by the quantity over quality, but those that can actually demonstrate proper artistic skill will never be replaced by another tool or medium, because they are the masters of their own method. People still buy hand painted landscape paintings even though photos exist, people still go to theatrical productions even though they could just watch a rehearsed and edited movie production from home. Art is art within its own medium and cannot be compared to forms outside its toolset. The mortiser and tablesaw replace the chisel and handsaw, yet there is still art to be made and sold within woodcraft, just as the hammer and the anvil can make art in the face of the foundry. It will take a bit to come through, but we are witnessing the birth of a new artform, not the replacement of an old one. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:31:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:31:59 PM EDT
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Shits gonna be wild in 18-24 months.
I can see a push being made to require all AI generated tools to leave a digital fingerprint or something |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:33:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If all you do is press a button on a camera you didnt make shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yep, people use tools. But if all you're doing is inputting a prompt you didn't make shit. If all you do is press a button on a camera you didnt make shit. You don’t know what you’re talking about… I’ve shot images that took a team of 10 people 8 hours pull off. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:33:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What im getting at is it will just be another form of art, it will never replace the actual skill taken and put into a well drawn landscape or abstract. Will is replace some artists? Sure, the ones that make shit art by the quantity over quality, but those that can actually demonstrate proper artistic skill will never be replaced by another tool or medium, because they are the masters of their own method. People still buy hand painted landscape paintings even though photos exist, people still go to theatrical productions even though they could just watch a rehearsed and edited movie production from home. Art is art within its own medium and cannot be compared to forms outside its toolset. The mortiser and tablesaw replace the chisel and handsaw, yet there is still art to be made and sold within woodcraft, just as the hammer and the anvil can make art in the face of the foundry. It will take a bit to come through, but we are witnessing the birth of a new artform, not the replacement of an old one. I don't think you're considering the scope of this. I'm not talking about simple paintings. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:33:20 PM EDT
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Scroll forward a few years where every TV show, every magazine/newspaper/website article is written by AI. Every radio show, website, movie, phone help line, etc. It'll all be AI and it's going to suck 8700 times more than it does now.
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:34:26 PM EDT
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We passed into the era of “disposable art” long ago. There will always be art for art’s sake, but commercially (which is 87% of the public’s consumption) has always been the quickest and cheapest means to an end within a specific production standard.
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:35:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good photography takes a heluvalot more than just pressing a button. EDIT: See Avatar I completely agree, what i'm arguing is that ai art will be an art form in the way of language and creativity to come up with a new form of art that is currently foreign to us. Those that saw the camera for the first time probably thought it would ruin portrait and landscape painters, and become a soulless art, yet we find it found a passion of its own. By lowering the effort for the entry window, it allows less struggle in the implementation of art, and allow more focus on the higher forms of creativity and vision. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:36:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We passed into the era of “disposable art” long ago. There will always be art for art’s sake, but commercially (which is 87% of the public’s consumption) has always been the quickest and cheapest means to an end within a specific production standard. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:36:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I completely agree, what i'm arguing is that ai art will be an art form in the way of language and creativity to come up with a new form of art that is currently foreign to us. Those that saw the camera for the first time probably thought it would ruin portrait and landscape painters, and become a soulless art, yet we find it found a passion of its own. By lowering the effort for the entry window, it allows less struggle in the implementation of art, and allow more focus on the higher forms of creativity and vision. The implications of this will not lead to more creativity and vision. It'll be the exact opposite. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:37:36 PM EDT
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It's not just giving a prompt.
It's the level of detail that goes into a prompt that can be shaped by the artist's mind. For example. Tell someone to draw a castle. You might get this:  Or you might get this.  The quality of the art simply depends on the artist and the viewer, not necessarily the media that brought it into being. Its just a tool like a paint brush or pencil that gives life to what is in one's mind. Discarding it is a fools errand. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:39:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not just giving a prompt. It's the level of detail that goes into a prompt that can be shaped by the artist's mind. For example. Tell someone to draw a castle. You might get this: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/219476/1000007012-3136145.png Or you might get this. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/219476/1000007013-3136163.jpg The quality of the art simply depends on the artist and the viewer, not necessarily the media that brought it into being. Its just a tool like a paint brush or pencil that gives life to what is in one's mind. Discarding it is a fools errand. That's great. I'm not talking about it being used as a simple tool. I'm talking about it writing music and screenplays. It being used for voice acting. That's already happening, by the way. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:39:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The implications of this will not lead to more creativity and vision. It'll be the exact opposite. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I completely agree, what i'm arguing is that ai art will be an art form in the way of language and creativity to come up with a new form of art that is currently foreign to us. Those that saw the camera for the first time probably thought it would ruin portrait and landscape painters, and become a soulless art, yet we find it found a passion of its own. By lowering the effort for the entry window, it allows less struggle in the implementation of art, and allow more focus on the higher forms of creativity and vision. The implications of this will not lead to more creativity and vision. It'll be the exact opposite. I say this as some who has been involved in design over the last 25 years. It’s all disposable, fleeting, and ultimately worthless. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:41:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The implications of this will not lead to more creativity and vision. It'll be the exact opposite. You may disagree but I feel as though artists throughout humanity always strives to be different and stand out from eachother, those that want to stand out will find a way to use the tool to stand out from the average GD ai thread. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:43:14 PM EDT
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The Butlerian Jihad can’t come soon enough.
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:43:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You may disagree but I feel as though artists throughout humanity always strives to be different and stand out from eachother, those that want to stand out will find a way to use the tool to stand out from the average GD ai thread. But that's the thing. It won't stand out. Not in a good way. When AI is used to shit out varying copies of things that came before. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:44:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I say this as some who has been involved in design over the last 25 years. It’s all disposable, fleeting, and ultimately worthless. Yeah. That sucks. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:45:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If all you do is press a button on a camera you didnt make shit. That’s a very asinine statement. So using that logic Michelangelo just moved a paint brush up and down and Beethoven just punched keys on a piano right? |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:46:23 PM EDT
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There will always be a yearning for a real human connection. I'm a musician. I've gigged in cover and original bands for years. I always wondered, why would they pay us to play something they can just hear on the jukebox? Because there is an energy to live music. There is an awe for original music. AI can make music, and perform it, and make it on the fly, but there is no one making eye contact with the crowd, spreading vibes.
I supposed there will be something like this for art. One poster said it well though. A good majority of the population will be happy with whatever is spoon fed to them. Ask any person walking down the street which era and type of art they enjoy the most and why? Most wont really have an educated answer to that question. I am scared as well. Change is always scary. There's nothing we can do about it. Crack open a beer, ride the wave and let's see where this goes. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:48:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There will always be a yearning for a real human connection. I'm a musician. I've gigged in cover and original bands for years. I always wondered, why would they pay us to play something they can just hear on the jukebox? Because there is an energy to live music. There is an awe for original music. AI can make music, and perform it, and make it on the fly, but there is no one making eye contact with the crowd, spreading vibes. I supposed there will be something like this for art. One poster said it well though. A good majority of the population will be happy with whatever is spoon fed to them. Ask any person walking down the street which era and type of art they enjoy the most and why? Most wont really have an educated answer to that question. I am scared as well. Change is always scary. There's nothing we can do about it. Crack open a beer, ride the wave and let's see where this goes. Well said. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:49:17 PM EDT
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I agree. AI art is worthless to me.
If it wasn't created by the mind and hands of a human, it doesn't have any appeal to me. It's fake, and no matter how "good" it is, it isn't an expression of another person's vision, emotion, ideology or anything else. It's just monkey see, monkey do, with less soul than a monkey. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:49:38 PM EDT
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We will be allowed to live as pets of corporations.
Used to be that you or someone you were with shaped your memories. Either you or whoever you were with or whoever you had met took the photo, maybe even edited it, perhaps heavily so, and to who knows what end. Sometimes, the editing process tries to recapture the moment, stripping objective reality and recoloring it with the subjective, and not an unwarranted subjectiveness, because that's what the human experience is. And, those photos become your memory. Memory, whatever it is, isn't static. This is something that isn't necessarily real, but a story told by another person, and that story, somebody else's telling of it, supplants your very memory of the scene, your memory of the moment. And now, we are handing that over to soulless algorithms. Everything that makes you, will be retold to you by an inanimate object, some web of systems with no soul, and it will reshape your very mind. Grotesque. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:50:08 PM EDT
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AI "art" is just the tip of the giant AI iceberg that's gonna fuck humanity. Hard.
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:51:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AI art is just the tip of the giant iceberg that's gonna fuck humanity. Hard. Lol yep. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:51:23 PM EDT
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Its the text and voice generation that's starting to piss me off.
I like to drift off to sleep watching ancient history or space stuff on youtube. I feel like there's a lot of new channels that are using chatGPT to come up with a premise, then script, then AI voice it, then something to google search or generate images/video for visuals. I don't want to see that when I'm awake, let alone playing while I sleep. Enshittification is accelerating. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:54:04 PM EDT
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I would think that it would make human art worth more.
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