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Right now this how we get to the point of having a forum. We have to talk to each other to understand what is the problem and what are the ideas. After that is done then we can get down with the process of discussing and deciding what that forum should be.

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Well said. The unfortunate truth is that no matter what gets done, someone’s not going to be happy. There’s just a huge amount of variance in what people want and who they want it for.

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The direction from GB is he wants Mods/Staff to also participate in threads outside of "moderation". Enjoy the site, he says.

The problem is certain members attack Mods/Staff for their participation outside of "moderation". "You can't have that opinion and be a Mod!"

That is why a person who participated a lot, then that person is selected to be a Mod, they have a tendency to post less, because posters attack them.

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I don't like Indian food. Does that mean I can't be part of a discussion about Indian food?

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We have an informal rule of not "modding" in a thread that we are active in unless the CoC violations are really bad.

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See what you are looking for is the blank person. They don't exist.

But can a person knowing their own thoughts, participate in something and follow the rules, and not let their beliefs get in the way of the rules?

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Well aren't you the helpful and positive person.

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This just a suggestion and I would like some input from anyone who wants to on how to make this idea better. If you do comment please don't make this about attacking the site, mods, staff or admin. This is meant to help all of us.

If you like it say so. If you don't say why. If you want to add something please do and add why.  If you think something is wrong say why it is.


A suggestion for the grievance forum



I would like for anyone that wants to to come in here and help with the writing of rules, format and anything else that such a place will need.

Rules for the place


1 No bashing of any mod, staff or member.   This is probably the most important if such a place is to succeed.


2 It should be be open to all members and possibly banned members also.  There is no point in having discussions if relevant parties cannot attend.


3 As of right now the membership cannot overturn a decision made by mods, staff or admin. No point in trying to have a conversation if it can be undermined  by a mob.

4 What can be discussed in the forum. Its open to bans warnings and general problems.


5 What cannot be discussed here.  Membership problems. This will not be the place for problems between the general membership. That will just clog up the place and cause unneeded problems.


6 What can be done to those that cannot follow rules here. First asked to behave, second removal from thread and third if a member continues to be abusive or a consistent problem they may be removed banned from the forum. The forum will not be allowed to be used for abuse and general asshatery.


7 How long can a thread run. Threads will have one week to be discussed.  After the thread is closed unless progress is being made at which the thread may be allowed to continue.

8 What happens when a mod or staff is unavailable? If a mod or staff in unavailable then another mod or staff may step in and reply. The mod or staff that is the subject of the thread is always allowed to correct any statement of a substitute mod or staff.


9 When a member is not replying. A member is responsible for timely replies in the thread they started. If the member becomes absent repeatedly the right to post in the forum may be removed.


This was a suggestion for a change on 8



8 What happens when a mod or staff is unavailable? If a mod or staff in unavailable then another mod or staff may step in and reply. The mod or staff that is the subject of the thread is always allowed to correct any statement of a substitute mod or staff."  I think there is a distinction to be made between Staff who sets policy and Mods who execute policy. Mods should only speak to "here is the policy we execute, and here's the guidance Staff gives us about how to execute those policies."  Only Staff should speak to "here's why the policy is this way."  Think of it as the difference between cops and legislatures.  Legislature passes the law, cops enforce the law.  Each is going to have a different perspective on why the law is versus how to execute the law -- and you get nowhere arguing with a cop for a change in the law.  Similarly, you get nowhere arguing with a Mod for a change in policy.  That's Site Staff's job.