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Posted: 11/22/2019 10:08:57 PM EDT
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I don't get this and I'm not insulting you. 45-70 definitely is impactful from a bench, but standing shots aren't that bad. I've gone through a box of Garrett at the range only stopping because of cost. It's a slow powerful push but it's not punishing. @AeroEngineer and I shot a fuck ton a few months ago and neither of us were bitching, and it was his first time. I think notable stuff about the cartridge is muzzle flash with some of the light fast rounds Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I used Garret loads in my .45-70 Guide Gun while I was in Alaska. I have decided I don't need that level of recoil anymore. 
I load a 300 grain LFP over 44.1 of RL-7 that kills FL hogs and deer-and NOT my shoulder- just fine. Those loads in the OP? No fucking way, bear or no bear. 45-70 definitely is impactful from a bench, but standing shots aren't that bad. I've gone through a box of Garrett at the range only stopping because of cost. It's a slow powerful push but it's not punishing. @AeroEngineer and I shot a fuck ton a few months ago and neither of us were bitching, and it was his first time. I think notable stuff about the cartridge is muzzle flash with some of the light fast rounds The only loads that were slightly unpleasant were the high velocity rounds with lighter bullets, like the Hornady FTX, which had sharper recoil and noticeable muzzle blast. |
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Posted: 11/22/2019 10:26:50 PM EDT
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Yes, I shot a bunch of loads, including some Garret’s. The Garret loads were easily manageable by anyone who knows how to shoot with good form. I wouldn’t put a brand new shooter behind them, but 3” 12 gauge out of a pump or a lightweight .30-06 mountain rifle are definitely worse recoil than the .45-70. The only loads that were slightly unpleasant were the high velocity rounds with lighter bullets, like the Hornady FTX, which had sharper recoil and noticeable muzzle blast. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I used Garret loads in my .45-70 Guide Gun while I was in Alaska. I have decided I don't need that level of recoil anymore.
I load a 300 grain LFP over 44.1 of RL-7 that kills FL hogs and deer-and NOT my shoulder- just fine. Those loads in the OP? No fucking way, bear or no bear. 45-70 definitely is impactful from a bench, but standing shots aren't that bad. I've gone through a box of Garrett at the range only stopping because of cost. It's a slow powerful push but it's not punishing. @AeroEngineer and I shot a fuck ton a few months ago and neither of us were bitching, and it was his first time. I think notable stuff about the cartridge is muzzle flash with some of the light fast rounds The only loads that were slightly unpleasant were the high velocity rounds with lighter bullets, like the Hornady FTX, which had sharper recoil and noticeable muzzle blast. |
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Posted: 11/22/2019 10:46:18 PM EDT
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Aside from crazy African cartridges, I think 3" and 3.5" 12ga are the worst to shoulder in my opinion. Completely agree. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I used Garret loads in my .45-70 Guide Gun while I was in Alaska. I have decided I don't need that level of recoil anymore.
I load a 300 grain LFP over 44.1 of RL-7 that kills FL hogs and deer-and NOT my shoulder- just fine. Those loads in the OP? No fucking way, bear or no bear. 45-70 definitely is impactful from a bench, but standing shots aren't that bad. I've gone through a box of Garrett at the range only stopping because of cost. It's a slow powerful push but it's not punishing. @AeroEngineer and I shot a fuck ton a few months ago and neither of us were bitching, and it was his first time. I think notable stuff about the cartridge is muzzle flash with some of the light fast rounds The only loads that were slightly unpleasant were the high velocity rounds with lighter bullets, like the Hornady FTX, which had sharper recoil and noticeable muzzle blast. And I bought another box. |
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Posted: 11/22/2019 10:46:37 PM EDT
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@WhiskersTheCat
I'm glad I didn't have to be the one to bring it up. My experience in 45/70 is like you said, a slow stiff push.Zia has a good point, that marlin stock is poo and that can make a huge difference. |
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Posted: 11/22/2019 10:54:05 PM EDT
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The whole $80 for 20 buffalo bore cartridges is almost as unpleasant as the recoil on mine. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/184940/BC5241A6-B3B5-4578-9CF6-F6DCDF3152D9_jpeg-1169933.JPG Honestly once I take my buffalo I think I’m going to sell or trade it for a 6.5 rifle. |
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Posted: 11/22/2019 10:57:11 PM EDT
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@WhiskersTheCat I'm glad I didn't have to be the one to bring it up. My experience in 45/70 is like you said, a slow stiff push.Zia has a good point, that marlin stock is poo and that can make a huge difference.
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Posted: 11/22/2019 11:07:19 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/206560/C464CF11-B1F1-4FE0-AFC9-8CE2F97F0786_jpeg-1169982.JPG Laughs in .505 Gibbs. I'm happy with my 375 H&H. It's punishing enough. Shooting 20 rounds from the bench for load testing was a bit brutal. 458 Socom, w/ 405s at 1620fps is nothing to laugh at either. |
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Posted: 11/22/2019 11:12:56 PM EDT
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Maybe. It may increase velocity enough for it to be a wash. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's gonna' hurt worse? The 45-70 round or those fuckin' bear claws tenderizing your face into edible bite size chunks? That guy has at least 100lbs more impact absorbing meat than me and he was grinding molars when he was pullin' that trigger! Must be a 'stout' round. Wonder if a bit more barrel length would ease up some of that felt recoil? |
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Posted: 11/22/2019 11:18:33 PM EDT
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Eh, Ill keep my 460 Wby Mag..
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Posted: 11/22/2019 11:19:23 PM EDT
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The whole $80 for 20 buffalo bore cartridges is almost as unpleasant as the recoil on mine. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/184940/BC5241A6-B3B5-4578-9CF6-F6DCDF3152D9_jpeg-1169933.JPG Honestly once I take my buffalo I think I’m going to sell or trade it for a 6.5 rifle. |
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Posted: 11/22/2019 11:28:15 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/206560/C464CF11-B1F1-4FE0-AFC9-8CE2F97F0786_jpeg-1169982.JPG Laughs in .505 Gibbs. |
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Posted: 11/22/2019 11:28:47 PM EDT
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So it is half as powerful as a 3.5" 12 gauge rifled slug?
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Posted: 11/22/2019 11:29:22 PM EDT
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Worse than a 3.5 inch 10 gauge? ETA 62.9 foot/pounds |
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Posted: 11/22/2019 11:44:05 PM EDT
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Those are stout!
For comparison, a 12 ga. 3" brenneke will throw a 600 grain bullet to 1500 fps from a 7 lb shotgun. Those are fun off the bench. |
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Posted: 11/22/2019 11:44:49 PM EDT
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My Ruger #1 eats 400gr Speers at 1920fps. They don't slow the earth's rotation much but are strong medicine on hogs. I have literally knocked hogs off their feet with them.
For the dick measuring contest I offer the 460 Weatherby, 500gr solids at 2600fps.  The Weatherby stock is very well designed but it definitely gets your attention.
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Posted: 11/22/2019 11:47:08 PM EDT
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My Ruger #1 eats 400gr Speers at 1920fps. They don't slow the earth's rotation much but are strong medicine on hogs. I have literally knocked hogs off their feet with them. For the dick measuring contest I offer the 460 Weatherby, 500gr solids at 2600fps. The Weatherby stock is very well designed but it definitely gets your attention. |
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Posted: 11/23/2019 12:17:34 AM EDT
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I have a .450 Marlin. The recoil is not bad at all, unless it catches you on the bone. Then you are done for the day.
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Posted: 11/23/2019 12:59:13 AM EDT
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50-110 has less recoil than the 45-70 because it uses a 300 grain bullet instead of the 400+ typical for the 45-70
And the Buffalo Bore "Magnum" 45-70 (405 grain bullet at 2000 fps) doesn't hurt that much out of my Miroku 1886, with it's 26 inch octagonal barrel it's a couple pounds heavier that the 1895 Marlin, but it also has a metal crescent butt plate that really concentrates the recoil. 45-70 just isn't the "beast" of a cartridge this video is trying to make it, any of the real "Elephant" cartridges (416 Remington or Rigby, 458 Lott, 416 & 460 Weatherby, the old British Nitro Express calibers) have much more recoil. |
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Posted: 11/23/2019 3:16:13 AM EDT
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6k in ammo? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/206560/C464CF11-B1F1-4FE0-AFC9-8CE2F97F0786_jpeg-1169982.JPG Laughs in .505 Gibbs. 
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Posted: 11/23/2019 3:31:13 AM EDT
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Ruger #1 + 460wby = a really cool guy I'll have to get pics of my build and post it.  My max I can do is about 40 rnds of the 500gr at 2600. I'm running a recoil reducer and 2 chamber brake. recoil is about the same as a 416 rigby.
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Posted: 11/23/2019 3:34:49 AM EDT
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oh let me add,
this chambered in 45-70. It is a pussy cat to shoot. recoils is about like a 243. 
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Posted: 11/23/2019 4:30:53 AM EDT
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45-70 was the first gun I ever shot where I saw stars.
It was beautiful. Granted, I was shooting prone. Won’t do that again. I now have a heavy duty Tripod and I will be shooting while standing, if I’m doing load data. I only load to 1,650-1,750fps. 330gr and 405gr |
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Posted: 11/23/2019 4:44:01 AM EDT
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Why do all people on youtube feel the need to over accentuate everything? |
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Posted: 11/23/2019 4:57:29 AM EDT
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I brought a couple of guns (5.56 AR, 7mm SAUM Model 7, .45/70 1895) to a friend's private range and let the ladies shoot them.
They loved the Marlin best. Granted, we were shooting 325gr FTX @ 2000fps and not the real thumpers, but they loved the big smack they got when they pulled the trigger. |
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Posted: 11/23/2019 5:14:18 AM EDT
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The whole $80 for 20 buffalo bore cartridges is almost as unpleasant as the recoil on mine. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/184940/BC5241A6-B3B5-4578-9CF6-F6DCDF3152D9_jpeg-1169933.JPG Honestly once I take my buffalo I think I’m going to sell or trade it for a 6.5 rifle. Think I’ll go look up some recipes to recreate that in the video. |
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Posted: 11/23/2019 6:11:50 AM EDT
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Bitchin!
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Posted: 11/23/2019 12:52:23 PM EDT
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oh let me add, this chambered in 45-70. It is a pussy cat to shoot. recoils is about like a 243. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/14562/20190827_110157-min-1069405.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/14562/20190827_110137-min-1069397.jpg 
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Posted: 11/23/2019 12:59:07 PM EDT
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If you want to feel like you have taken a hit from a heavy weight
boxer, try one of the older 2 bore or 4 bore 'Elephant guns.' With ounces of powder and ball, NOT falling on your but may not be an option. Best make sure your first hit is good, since an enraged elephant can kill you with a single step as you lay on the ground. |
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Posted: 11/23/2019 8:33:30 PM EDT
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I don't get this and I'm not insulting you. 45-70 definitely is impactful from a bench, but standing shots aren't that bad. I've gone through a box of Garrett at the range only stopping because of cost. It's a slow powerful push but it's not punishing. @AeroEngineer and I shot a fuck ton a few months ago and neither of us were bitching, and it was his first time. I think notable stuff about the cartridge is muzzle flash with some of the light fast rounds A day shooting my .280 AI or 9.3 x 62 has me wincing after a boxful; I also shoot an 8mm Mag occasionally and don't like to shoot more than about 6 or so at a session (reload them for a friend). My shoulder screams for a couple days after. Those sumbitches are fired from standing, off shooting sticks or tripods. Most of the Garret .45-70 I shot in Alaska was from a sitting position- not as bad a bench position, but bad enough; shooting off-hand was tolerable. My 300 grain handloads are pussycats by comparison, but get the job done. |
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Posted: 11/23/2019 8:56:23 PM EDT
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I know that look at 1:45 into the video.
"Damn it, there's still one more round to fire."
Best, JBR |
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Posted: 11/23/2019 9:25:06 PM EDT
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I agree with those that commented about how overblown that video is, I had to turn it off.
That's so exaggerated that it's ridiculous. |
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Posted: 11/23/2019 10:14:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: *laughs in .50-110* I use 50-110 brass for it as well; same thing, just a hair shorter. |
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Posted: 11/23/2019 10:16:13 PM EDT
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I need another Siamese Mauser now. 1700fps is rookie territory. |
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Posted: 11/23/2019 10:26:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I always wanted a 45/70 bolt gun. Finally gave up and put a 458 Win Mag barrel on a Savage 30-06, swapped bolts. It works. |
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Posted: 11/23/2019 10:27:53 PM EDT
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I don't get this and I'm not insulting you. 45-70 definitely is impactful from a bench, but standing shots aren't that bad. I've gone through a box of Garrett at the range only stopping because of cost. It's a slow powerful push but it's not punishing. @AeroEngineer and I shot a fuck ton a few months ago and neither of us were bitching, and it was his first time. I think notable stuff about the cartridge is muzzle flash with some of the light fast rounds |
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Posted: 11/23/2019 10:33:42 PM EDT
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I have found a lot of people who grew up on ARs and 30-30s really don't know how to hold a heavy rifle. Not meaning anyone in this thread; just in general. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't get this and I'm not insulting you. 45-70 definitely is impactful from a bench, but standing shots aren't that bad. I've gone through a box of Garrett at the range only stopping because of cost. It's a slow powerful push but it's not punishing. @AeroEngineer and I shot a fuck ton a few months ago and neither of us were bitching, and it was his first time. I think notable stuff about the cartridge is muzzle flash with some of the light fast rounds |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 10:35:51 AM EDT
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Any member located in IA or finding themselves in IA is more than welcome to fire some from my .45-70s too. Every "gun guy" should shoot the round at least once. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 10:43:50 AM EDT
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oh let me add, this chambered in 45-70. It is a pussy cat to shoot. recoils is about like a 243. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/14562/20190827_110157-min-1069405.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/14562/20190827_110137-min-1069397.jpg Is it a variant of a Sharps? Does the color case hardening process still use whale oil and bone charcoal? |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 11:53:57 AM EDT
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Getting too old to shoot cannons. I worry about retina detachment.
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Posted: 11/25/2019 12:06:42 PM EDT
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What? No love for 1.04/26.5mm Asteroid?
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/93097/20190924_134926-1101284.jpg My penis is extremely confused right now and I need closure. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 12:12:14 PM EDT
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Getting too old to shoot cannons. I worry about retina detachment. Gets your attention. Whoever said shoot the heavy stuff standing is spot on.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 12:16:01 PM EDT
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But will it stop a griz
I don't know 
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Posted: 11/25/2019 12:20:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Neat. What is that rifle? Is it a variant of a Sharps? Does the color case hardening process still use whale oil and bone charcoal? @Cheesebeast |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 1:29:02 PM EDT
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I am not that impressed, it's over 1300 lbs weaker than a 375 and doesn't look anywhere near as fun to shoot as a 375 either.
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Posted: 11/25/2019 1:43:33 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/206560/C464CF11-B1F1-4FE0-AFC9-8CE2F97F0786_jpeg-1169982.JPG Laughs in .505 Gibbs. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 3:36:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a Sharps-Borchardt Model 1878, no whale oil. Just bone and wood charcoal. @Cheesebeast I have always wondered about the appeal of a hooked buttplate on a rifle with any kind of recoil. Browning and "Winchester" still produces models with hooked buttplates. Now with 100% more pain! |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 3:51:44 PM EDT
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45-70 master race cheaking in.
Very cool video. Hey Honey im shooting the Marlin 45-70 today, I will need a good shoulder rub tonight.
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Posted: 11/25/2019 4:07:53 PM EDT
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(laughs in .600 NE....giggles in .500 linebaugh long)
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Posted: 11/25/2019 5:31:51 PM EDT
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I am not that impressed, it's over 1300 lbs weaker than a 375 and doesn't look anywhere near as fun to shoot as a 375 either. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/111675/20170220-121252-150550.JPG If you're going to "go big" 45-70 isn't the cartridge to do it. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 6:06:03 PM EDT
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