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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:02:37 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have at indoor ranges. But I use suppressors I’m not a peasant Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OP’s never had to fire an AR inside a house it seems. I have at indoor ranges. But I use suppressors I’m not a peasant Haha it kinda sounds like you are. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:12:49 AM EDT
[#2]
Pistol caliber AR's are gay for the simple reason they're less effective than rifle caliber AR's are in the same package.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:45:27 AM EDT
[#3]
Quoted: If you want an AR, get it in a rifle caliber. If you want a sub-gun. Buy an HK MP5 or SP5. HK's are ghey. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:45:53 AM EDT
[#4]
lol this aint the 90s.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:55:53 AM EDT
[#5]
Mine is the bastard oly arms, i southern engineered some sten mags welding a back on them so I don’t have to use the block, it’s ok but I love my UMP
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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:36:47 AM EDT
[#6]
Link to a HK SP5 at msrp please.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 8:03:38 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I had a 9mm Colt, I had to sell it during some hard times. I sure do wish I knew where it was. Maybe one of these days it’ll find it’s way home.  I had one, and traded it to my brother in law for a boat. Looking back, I still don't know why I didn't that. I had a M635 issued to me for fifteen years. I could have never owned it now that I have to pay for my own ammo. Full auto is fun when someone's giving you the rounds. It was nothing to go through 500 rounds in it every time I took it out to the range or to the country to shoot. (And, I shot it a lot). My wife and I shot a tree down with it one day, just to see if we could do it. It was about seven or eight inches in diameter, and I bet we shot 2000 rounds doing it. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 9:23:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2021 10:51:26 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted:  Quote History
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Posted: 1/17/2021 10:56:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 10mm is best mm came to post exactly this. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:31:07 AM EDT
[#11]
Tfw no FA 10mm MP5
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Posted: 1/17/2021 1:09:22 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pistol caliber AR's are gay for the simple reason they're less effective than rifle caliber AR's are in the same package. These kind of statements always give me a chuckle. I’ve been USING fud guns to hunt with since is was probably 8 or 9 years old as have probably 70% of the folks reading this thread. Wager a guess as to how many of these same users (non military) have ever used an AR for its purpose. I can guarantee you that if someone kicked in my door and I grabbed my scorpion or MP5 he wouldn’t be thinking “damn, I’m glad he didn’t have an AR”. All of this is just larping. Fun larping but it is what it is. For the sake of argument, the military has been bitching about the 5.56 round for years because of its lack of effectiveness against people. A 9mm AR will make a mess of an intruder just as good as anything else. When you consider how much better 9mm suppresses compared to 5.56, your family won’t have permanent hearing loss from this invader if you choose 9. As I said earlier in the thread, the AR package really isn’t my cup of tea these days because of the idiotic buffer tube and terrible gas system that spews gas and oil in your face when shooting suppressed. Why we’ve latched on to this platform when there are so many better options out there is beyond me. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 1:13:47 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: HK's are ghey. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you want an AR, get it in a rifle caliber. If you want a sub-gun. Buy an HK MP5 or SP5. HK's are ghey. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 1:16:36 PM EDT
[#14]
If you can't afford an MP5, then yes. Still way cooler than nothing.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 1:17:52 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 9MM, yeah, actually OP is kinda right. Now, .45 or 10MM?  There are reasons to have a 9mm AR. Can’t think of any for .45 or 10mm. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 1:18:44 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, 9mm AR’s are gay 10mm AR or GTFO If you already have something in a carbine form factor just use something that actually shoots rifle ammunition if you want to do work. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 1:25:36 PM EDT
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Because 9mm AR’s/MP5’s/B&T’s suppressed shooting it out on a dueling tree with your buddies is stupid fun.
I guess if you don’t have a 9mm AR, et al you can’t come have fun. So that’s pretty gay. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 1:52:06 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 10mm best mm 11mm, scrub. 
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Posted: 1/17/2021 2:08:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are reasons to have a 9mm AR. Can’t think of any for .45 or 10mm. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 9MM, yeah, actually OP is kinda right. Now, .45 or 10MM? There are reasons to have a 9mm AR. Can’t think of any for .45 or 10mm. Current Iowa law allows me to hunt deer with 10mm, whether in an AR or not. Not the case with 9MM. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 2:35:34 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: These kind of statements always give me a chuckle. I’ve been USING fud guns to hunt with since is was probably 8 or 9 years old as have probably 70% of the folks reading this thread. Wager a guess as to how many of these same users (non military) have ever used an AR for its purpose. I can guarantee you that if someone kicked in my door and I grabbed my scorpion or MP5 he wouldn’t be thinking “damn, I’m glad he didn’t have an AR”. All of this is just larping. Fun larping but it is what it is. For the sake of argument, the military has been bitching about the 5.56 round for years because of its lack of effectiveness against people. A 9mm AR will make a mess of an intruder just as good as anything else. When you consider how much better 9mm suppresses compared to 5.56, your family won’t have permanent hearing loss from this invader if you choose 9. As I said earlier in the thread, the AR package really isn’t my cup of tea these days because of the idiotic buffer tube and terrible gas system that spews gas and oil in your face when shooting suppressed. Why we’ve latched on to this platform when there are so many better options out there is beyond me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pistol caliber AR's are gay for the simple reason they're less effective than rifle caliber AR's are in the same package. These kind of statements always give me a chuckle. I’ve been USING fud guns to hunt with since is was probably 8 or 9 years old as have probably 70% of the folks reading this thread. Wager a guess as to how many of these same users (non military) have ever used an AR for its purpose. I can guarantee you that if someone kicked in my door and I grabbed my scorpion or MP5 he wouldn’t be thinking “damn, I’m glad he didn’t have an AR”. All of this is just larping. Fun larping but it is what it is. For the sake of argument, the military has been bitching about the 5.56 round for years because of its lack of effectiveness against people. A 9mm AR will make a mess of an intruder just as good as anything else. When you consider how much better 9mm suppresses compared to 5.56, your family won’t have permanent hearing loss from this invader if you choose 9. As I said earlier in the thread, the AR package really isn’t my cup of tea these days because of the idiotic buffer tube and terrible gas system that spews gas and oil in your face when shooting suppressed. Why we’ve latched on to this platform when there are so many better options out there is beyond me. Your home invaders are more likely to be wearing level 3a body armor instead of level 4. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 2:36:32 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's gay is someone owning a clone, yet talking about it as if they own a genuine HK MP5. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you want an AR, get it in a rifle caliber. If you want a sub-gun. Buy an HK MP5 or SP5. HK's are ghey. Fact. I see people at the range with zeniths and they talk like it’s a real HK |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 2:42:54 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you know a blowback 9mm AR actually has more felt recoil than a .223 AR? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nope. 9mm is an effective self-defense round at short range and indoors with short barrels. It is an EXCELLENT round for training recoil-sensitive shooters (kids and many women). It is historically cheaper to shoot than 5.56mm. But they tend to have less muzzle blast, which in my experience is what affects new shooters the most. That's also why suppressors are great for teaching new shooters. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 2:51:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you already have something in a carbine form factor just use something that actually shoots rifle ammunition if you want to do work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yep, 9mm AR’s are gay 10mm AR or GTFO If you already have something in a carbine form factor just use something that actually shoots rifle ammunition if you want to do work. Not everything is about "doing work". Guns are a fun hobby and having a variety of them just to shoot is fun. ETA: I guarantee my new AR9 will be going to the range much more frequently than any of my 5.56 SBR's. They have the same controls and shooting 9mm at 25-50yds is much more fun with 9mm as reloading 9mm is much less work than 223 is. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 2:53:43 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your home invaders are more likely to be wearing level 3a body armor instead of level 4. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pistol caliber AR's are gay for the simple reason they're less effective than rifle caliber AR's are in the same package. These kind of statements always give me a chuckle. I’ve been USING fud guns to hunt with since is was probably 8 or 9 years old as have probably 70% of the folks reading this thread. Wager a guess as to how many of these same users (non military) have ever used an AR for its purpose. I can guarantee you that if someone kicked in my door and I grabbed my scorpion or MP5 he wouldn’t be thinking “damn, I’m glad he didn’t have an AR”. All of this is just larping. Fun larping but it is what it is. For the sake of argument, the military has been bitching about the 5.56 round for years because of its lack of effectiveness against people. A 9mm AR will make a mess of an intruder just as good as anything else. When you consider how much better 9mm suppresses compared to 5.56, your family won’t have permanent hearing loss from this invader if you choose 9. As I said earlier in the thread, the AR package really isn’t my cup of tea these days because of the idiotic buffer tube and terrible gas system that spews gas and oil in your face when shooting suppressed. Why we’ve latched on to this platform when there are so many better options out there is beyond me. Your home invaders are more likely to be wearing level 3a body armor instead of level 4. And headshots with PCCs are practically a gimme at the ranges you'd be dealing with in a home invasion. It's okay to be wrong, OP. There's no reason for you to keep digging (except for our entertainment, that is...). 
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Posted: 1/17/2021 3:52:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pistol caliber AR's are gay for the simple reason they're less effective than rifle caliber AR's are in the same package. Less effective at what? |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 3:57:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Less effective at what? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pistol caliber AR's are gay for the simple reason they're less effective than rifle caliber AR's are in the same package. Less effective at what? Penetration, velocity, ballistics, accuracy, stoppin powa, range and damage. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 3:59:01 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Penetration, velocity, ballistics, accuracy, stoppin powa and damage. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pistol caliber AR's are gay for the simple reason they're less effective than rifle caliber AR's are in the same package. Less effective at what? Penetration, velocity, ballistics, accuracy, stoppin powa and damage. No one is comparing a 9mm AR to a 5.56 AR in those categories so they are moot points. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:08:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:10:31 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not everything is about "doing work". Guns are a fun hobby and having a variety of them just to shoot is fun. ETA: I guarantee my new AR9 will be going to the range much more frequently than any of my 5.56 SBR's. They have the same controls and shooting 9mm at 25-50yds is much more fun with 9mm as reloading 9mm is much less work than 223 is. I wouldn’t argue that. Last year I burned about 35k rounds through a 9mm AR. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:40:14 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: These kind of statements always give me a chuckle. I've been USING fud guns to hunt with since is was probably 8 or 9 years old as have probably 70% of the folks reading this thread. Wager a guess as to how many of these same users (non military) have ever used an AR for its purpose. I can guarantee you that if someone kicked in my door and I grabbed my scorpion or MP5 he wouldn't be thinking "damn, I'm glad he didn't have an AR". All of this is just larping. Fun larping but it is what it is. For the sake of argument, the military has been bitching about the 5.56 round for years because of its lack of effectiveness against people. A 9mm AR will make a mess of an intruder just as good as anything else. When you consider how much better 9mm suppresses compared to 5.56, your family won't have permanent hearing loss from this invader if you choose 9. As I said earlier in the thread, the AR package really isn't my cup of tea these days because of the idiotic buffer tube and terrible gas system that spews gas and oil in your face when shooting suppressed. Why we've latched on to this platform when there are so many better options out there is beyond me. Yeah, I'm not larping so I need a rifle to do rifle things. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:56:50 PM EDT
[#31]
Cause you can shoot steel at 7yrds and not get dead or destroy the steel
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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:07:58 PM EDT
[#32]
I want a 45 AR suppressed.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:10:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:20:43 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I'm not larping so I need a rifle to do rifle things. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: These kind of statements always give me a chuckle. I've been USING fud guns to hunt with since is was probably 8 or 9 years old as have probably 70% of the folks reading this thread. Wager a guess as to how many of these same users (non military) have ever used an AR for its purpose. I can guarantee you that if someone kicked in my door and I grabbed my scorpion or MP5 he wouldn't be thinking "damn, I'm glad he didn't have an AR". All of this is just larping. Fun larping but it is what it is. For the sake of argument, the military has been bitching about the 5.56 round for years because of its lack of effectiveness against people. A 9mm AR will make a mess of an intruder just as good as anything else. When you consider how much better 9mm suppresses compared to 5.56, your family won't have permanent hearing loss from this invader if you choose 9. As I said earlier in the thread, the AR package really isn't my cup of tea these days because of the idiotic buffer tube and terrible gas system that spews gas and oil in your face when shooting suppressed. Why we've latched on to this platform when there are so many better options out there is beyond me. Yeah, I'm not larping so I need a rifle to do rifle things. 
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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:22:12 PM EDT
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It all depends where you are and what the threat is likely to be. I feel more comfortable with a PCC or SBR inside and right around the house than with rifle caliber. I feel very confident I can put several rounds into a target in very short order. If I'm out in the woods away from the house, I take a rifle because of 4 legged predators. A rifle in your own house is not necessarily a great strategy.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:22:58 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you're not a poor, get both. MP5 and 9mm AR. I have both. Laughs in SDA3. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:23:58 PM EDT
[#37]
I take my 9mm AR to the range now more than anything else right now.
Colt 635 upper, DDLES lower. 
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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:30:50 PM EDT
[#38]
Fun as shit to shoot
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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:35:58 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think many people with AR9s have too light of buffer in them. My firends AR9 had much more recoil than mine, until he replaced his buffer with a much heavier one, like I had. Love my AR9. https://i.imgur.com/UMTY00T.jpg That paint job tho. Love it |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:59:01 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 5.56 is a rifle cartridge, why sacrifice that for a pistol cartridge? Quote HistoryQuoted: 5.56 is a rifle cartridge, why sacrifice that for a pistol cartridge? Quoted: Semi-auto "subguns" are gay no matter what logo is on it. Congrats, you have a very heavy pistol. The gun companies ran out of shit to sell, so they foisted "personal caliber carbines" on the market with a bunch of horse shit about mag compatibility. USPSA PCC |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 8:42:41 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That paint job tho. Love it Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think many people with AR9s have too light of buffer in them. My firends AR9 had much more recoil than mine, until he replaced his buffer with a much heavier one, like I had. Love my AR9. https://i.imgur.com/UMTY00T.jpg That paint job tho. Love it  Thank you. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 9:02:42 PM EDT
[#42]
7.5 inch 300blk or 9mm pcc for hd?
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Posted: 1/17/2021 10:31:32 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are reasons to have a 9mm AR. Can’t think of any for .45 or 10mm. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 9MM, yeah, actually OP is kinda right. Now, .45 or 10MM? There are reasons to have a 9mm AR. Can’t think of any for .45 or 10mm. I think .45 makes the most sense out of the pistol caliber AR's. Ammo used to be affordable, bulk 230 FMJ's are subsonic whereas bulk 115 grain 9mm might not be out of an 8" barrel, you can use .45 HSTs for HD, and supposedly the CMMGs can shoot .45 Super and SMC. Todd Huey had a video on it. My Glocks are 9mm and I'm so-so on the 9mm CMMG but if I had .45 Glocks I would likely get one. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 9:06:12 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 7.5 inch 300blk or 9mm pcc for hd? .300blk easily......assuming you can find and afford the ammo. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 1:31:23 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fact. I see people at the range with zeniths and they talk like it’s a real HK Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you want an AR, get it in a rifle caliber. If you want a sub-gun. Buy an HK MP5 or SP5. HK's are ghey. Fact. I see people at the range with zeniths and they talk like it’s a real HK I agree that calling a zenith an HK is stupid the brand is what it is but some of these clones are licensed by HK and built on HK tooling therefore a true MP5 or whatever model they happen to be. An MP5 but not an HK. Clones like the PTR and Dakota while nice guns are just copies and not licensed in anyway by HK which is why you sometimes have compatibility issues with HK parts. Another example similar to this would be Walther licensing the manufacture of the PPK line to other companies. I’ve got an interarms marked PPK/S from the 80s. Some think that the interarms markings indicate that they were imported by them. These were actually made by ranger firearms in Alabama. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 1:49:54 PM EDT
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I like mine. A lot. Old pic. Now has a 3X scope on the carry handle and GP web sling tied and taped up around the front sight base and top of the carbine stock.
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