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Mauricio Gugelmin ran 242.5 at practice at Fontana which is amazing considering Fontana is a two mile oval.
In 1996 Paul Tracy recorded a trap speed of 256.948 mph going into turn three at Michigan, another two mile oval. The CART glory years..... |
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I was thinking about Bill Elliott setting the qualifying records at Talladega (212.809 miles per hour) and Daytona (210.364 miles per hour) in 1987. It was estimated he was going close to 300 MPH on the back straightaway at both tracks. Those records still stand. The glory days of NO RESTRICTOR PLATES.
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Quoted: I was thinking about Bill Elliott setting the qualifying records at Talladega (212.809 miles per hour) and Daytona (210.364 miles per hour) in 1987. It was estimated he was going close to 300 MPH on the back straightaway at both tracks. Those records still stand. The glory days of NO RESTRICTOR PLATES. View Quote No way in hell he was going close to 300 mph in the straights. You need close to 2000 horsepower and a much more aerodynamic car to even get close to that speed, unless you hit it like a topfuel racer with 5000hp+. No disrespect. Also no possible way the car would be geared to get that fast. |
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Quoted: I was thinking about Bill Elliott setting the qualifying records at Talladega (212.809 miles per hour) and Daytona (210.364 miles per hour) in 1987. It was estimated he was going close to 300 MPH on the back straightaway at both tracks. Those records still stand. The glory days of NO RESTRICTOR PLATES. View Quote Those were his top speeds, not lap average. |
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Quoted: I was thinking about Bill Elliott setting the qualifying records at Talladega (212.809 miles per hour) and Daytona (210.364 miles per hour) in 1987. It was estimated he was going close to 300 MPH on the back straightaway at both tracks. Those records still stand. The glory days of NO RESTRICTOR PLATES. View Quote Hahaha....holy shit. 300 eh? Dude, don't ever repeat that again |
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Quoted: A C4 Corvette wasn't too far off...80's America kicked ass! If you're into Corvettes, you've likely heard of Callaway Cars. The Connecticut-based constructor specializes in turning normal Corvettes into high-powered speed machines capable of trouncing more expensive, more exotic supercars with ease. Its most famous creation, the C4-based Sledgehammer, solidified Callaway as one of the all-time great Corvette specialists of the world, setting a record-breaking top speed of 254.76 mph in a 1988 test. https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/images/news-article/2021/05/1321175962cc7352ca5f7ae96a44b0d3/1988_chevrolet_corvette_1620406991697e5f309sledgehammer-lead-photo-scaled.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8dI-47Z2hI View Quote I watched a pretty good program on that car and the company... that thing was insane... I think Reeves Callaway drove it himself too.. |
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AJ is a hero. But Mario is still driving fast at least up until the China flu has was doing laps around Indy in a 2 seat unrestricted Indy car with a guest.
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Quoted: A C4 Corvette wasn't too far off...80's America kicked ass! If you're into Corvettes, you've likely heard of Callaway Cars. The Connecticut-based constructor specializes in turning normal Corvettes into high-powered speed machines capable of trouncing more expensive, more exotic supercars with ease. Its most famous creation, the C4-based Sledgehammer, solidified Callaway as one of the all-time great Corvette specialists of the world, setting a record-breaking top speed of 254.76 mph in a 1988 test. https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/images/news-article/2021/05/1321175962cc7352ca5f7ae96a44b0d3/1988_chevrolet_corvette_1620406991697e5f309sledgehammer-lead-photo-scaled.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8dI-47Z2hI View Quote That car is what helped me fall in love with the Corvette. I remember reading about it and thinking, "How could anyone survive going that fast in a car?" I was young and didn't fully grasp the intricacies of safety equipment; even though it paled in comparison to what it is, today. |
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Quoted: Great post op! This was something I had never heard of before. That track reminds me a bit of the Nardo Ring in Italy. 14 mile banked circle... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Nard%C3%B2_ring.jpg View Quote |
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Quoted: Those were his top speeds, not lap average. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I was thinking about Bill Elliott setting the qualifying records at Talladega (212.809 miles per hour) and Daytona (210.364 miles per hour) in 1987. It was estimated he was going close to 300 MPH on the back straightaway at both tracks. Those records still stand. The glory days of NO RESTRICTOR PLATES. Those were his top speeds, not lap average. Incorrect. It is average. In those days they were hitting 214ish entering the corners and only dropping 7-10mph through the corner. About 10 years ago during a tire test at Talladega, Rusty Wallace hit 227 on the backstretch in his Miller Lite Dodge after having removed the restrictor plate as an experiment that was approved by nascar and Goodyear. |
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Quoted: AJ is a hero. But Mario is still driving fast at least up until the China flu has was doing laps around Indy in a 2 seat unrestricted Indy car with a guest. View Quote Mario Andretti is an amazing champion... I think his claim to fame is he won the Daytona 500, the Indy 500, was F1 World Champion and I believe he won the 12 hours of Sebring in a sportscar/prototype. I suppose that pretty much covers everything on four wheels at the very highest level |
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Quoted: I presented both A. J., his son Larry, and his office manager, Becky, with Aerotech models last fall. Visited with him a while, and he's still sharp as a tack. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183309/Aerotech_Larry_AJ1-2434616.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183309/aerotech_aj2-2434617.jpg And he graciously signed more of my collection https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183309/aerotech_aj1-2434619.jpg View Quote |
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Okay, qualifying speed is based on time to complete a lap. Simple speed = distance divided by time, or S=D/t.
In actuality, the qualifying speed is an average. After a few warmup laps, drivers will complete a "qualifying" lap around the track with the average speed for that lap taken for the qualification position in the race's starting line-up. I was told the "300 MPH" straightaway figure when I took a tour of the Talladega track several years ago. Elliot was driving a NASCAR Ford Thunderbird, based on the standard Ford Thunderbird Turbocoupe. The factory car had a really low drag coefficient, had a 2.3L turbo engine, and could run close to 145 MPH (until speed limiter kicked in) in a heads-up "supercar" test by "Car & Driver" in 1987. I still have a copy of that magazine somewhere in my house. The Corvette won the test, with a top speed of around 155 MPH that year, with an L98 350 V8. A few years later, the ZR-1 Corvette came close to 200 MPH IIRC. |
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Quoted: Okay, qualifying speed is based on time to complete a lap. Simple speed = distance divided by time, or S=D/t. In actuality, the qualifying speed is an average. After a few warmup laps, drivers will complete a "qualifying" lap around the track with the average speed for that lap taken for the qualification position in the race's starting line-up. I was told the "300 MPH" straightaway figure when I took a tour of the Talladega track several years ago. Elliot was driving a NASCAR Ford Thunderbird, based on the standard Ford Thunderbird Turbocoupe. The factory car had a really low drag coefficient, had a 2.3L turbo engine, and could run close to 145 MPH (until speed limiter kicked in) in a heads-up "supercar" test by "Car & Driver" in 1987. I still have a copy of that magazine somewhere in my house. The Corvette won the test, with a top speed of around 155 MPH that year, with an L98 350 V8. A few years later, the ZR-1 Corvette came close to 200 MPH IIRC. View Quote Please I watched Awesome Bill's entire career from Melling to retirement, and no one EVER approached 300mph in a stockcar regardless of the track. |
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Quoted: Mario's a legendary champion and he and Foyt are beyond comparison. Foyt won Indy 4 times as a driver and once as a team owner. Drove in the Indy 500 for 35 consecutive years won 24 hours of LeMans won Daytona 500 won 24 hours of Daytona won 12 hours of Sebring 138 USAC wins 7 time USAC Champ Car champion 41 USAC Stock Car wins and 50 Sprint Car, Midget, and Dirt Champ Car wins 7 NASCAR wins They raced close and clean many times. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183309/foyt_mario2-2434655.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Mario Andretti is an amazing champion... I think his claim to fame is he won the Daytona 500, the Indy 500, was F1 World Champion and I believe he won the 12 hours of Sebring in a sportscar/prototype. I suppose that pretty much covers everything on four wheels at the very highest level Mario's a legendary champion and he and Foyt are beyond comparison. Foyt won Indy 4 times as a driver and once as a team owner. Drove in the Indy 500 for 35 consecutive years won 24 hours of LeMans won Daytona 500 won 24 hours of Daytona won 12 hours of Sebring 138 USAC wins 7 time USAC Champ Car champion 41 USAC Stock Car wins and 50 Sprint Car, Midget, and Dirt Champ Car wins 7 NASCAR wins They raced close and clean many times. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183309/foyt_mario2-2434655.jpg amazing... I can't believe he won that many champ car races, that's got to be the career record? as an aside I ran into these really good Indy 500 programs on YT(they seemed pretty official) where they covered every decade in it's own hour/hour and a half long program... the drivers, teams, the qualifying, the terrible wrecks and the legendary wins. was really pretty neat and entertaining if anyone's interested, very well done. Indianapolis 500 - The 1980s |
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I admit 300 MPH sounds like too much (just repeating what I was told by Talladega guys), but he definitely had to be going more than 250 MPH in the straightaway to reach that average speed. If we knew his tire diameter, gear ratio, max RPMs, we could calculate a "theoretical" top speed in a straightaway.
Bottom Line, Ellliott's record still stands. |
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Quoted: I admit 300 MPH sounds like too much (just repeating what I was told by Talladega guys), but he definitely had to be going more than 250 MPH in the straightaway to reach that average speed. If we knew his tire diameter, gear ratio, max RPMs, we could calculate a "theoretical" top speed in a straightaway. Bottom Line, Ellliott's record still stands. View Quote Google is your friend. In 2004 Rusty Wallace ran a faster lap at Talladega (216) than Awesome Bill, and he said, "we hit 228 at the end of the straightaway". Bill's record "still stands" because Rusty ran without a restrictor plate which doesn't qualify for the record. The Facts About NASCAR's Fastest Speeds All of this is in the shadow of 290mph in 1987 at the Firestone test track in Fort Stockton, TX. |
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The google earth photo is the Firestone testing track in West Texas, correct? The circular track was a banked truck tire testing track IIRC
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Quoted: I presented both A. J., his son Larry, and his office manager, Becky, with Aerotech models last fall. Visited with him a while, and he's still sharp as a tack. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183309/Aerotech_Larry_AJ1-2434616.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183309/aerotech_aj2-2434617.jpg And he graciously signed more of my collection https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183309/aerotech_aj1-2434619.jpg View Quote |
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Quoted: I admit 300 MPH sounds like too much (just repeating what I was told by Talladega guys), but he definitely had to be going more than 250 MPH in the straightaway to reach that average speed. If we knew his tire diameter, gear ratio, max RPMs, we could calculate a "theoretical" top speed in a straightaway. Bottom Line, Ellliott's record still stands. View Quote Dude, give it up. As I said above, they are only dropping a few MPH throughout the corners. The corners also only represent about 30% of the track. 250 has never happened, never will. |
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A long tail Aerotech was at the Eyes On Design show this past Father's Day, I believe it was the 4.0L Aurora-powered version.
It's still quite a sight to see! |
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I saw AJ win his fourth Indy 5000 in person in 77. I was in the garage area at Fontana in 2015 and spent a few minutes talking with him. When I told him that I saw him win his fourth, he smiled at me and said, "That was a good day".
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Quoted: Mario's a legendary champion and he and Foyt are beyond comparison. Foyt won Indy 4 times as a driver and once as a team owner. Drove in the Indy 500 for 35 consecutive years won 24 hours of LeMans won Daytona 500 won 24 hours of Daytona won 12 hours of Sebring 138 USAC wins 7 time USAC Champ Car champion 41 USAC Stock Car wins and 50 Sprint Car, Midget, and Dirt Champ Car wins 7 NASCAR wins They raced close and clean many times. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183309/foyt_mario2-2434655.jpg View Quote As your picture shows, they raced on dirt too! They raced to earn a living back then, not to create a 'brand' (Danica, I'm looking at you). I saw A.J. get angry many times, but Mario always managed to keep his cool. He did a very good job at Indy when Kevin Cogan torpedoed him at the drop of the green. I would have killed Cogan, but Mario, even though he was visibly upset, managed to keep it under control. |
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Quoted: Dude, give it up. As I said above, they are only dropping a few MPH throughout the corners. The corners also only represent about 30% of the track. 250 has never happened, never will. View Quote Jeez. He was wrong. No big deal. Sounds like we all dig motorsports. I was lucky enough to meet Roger Ward at a Pep Boys in El Toro, CA in late 1980's. He was just buying some things and was right before me in line. A.J. Foyt and Mario are living legends. |
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If I met AJ, I would be tempted to ask him to slap me.
For the camera. |
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Wow.... I do not now anything about this stuff but that seems crazy high speeds.
One false move and you are toast. |
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Quoted: A C4 Corvette wasn't too far off...80's America kicked ass! If you're into Corvettes, you've likely heard of Callaway Cars. The Connecticut-based constructor specializes in turning normal Corvettes into high-powered speed machines capable of trouncing more expensive, more exotic supercars with ease. Its most famous creation, the C4-based Sledgehammer, solidified Callaway as one of the all-time great Corvette specialists of the world, setting a record-breaking top speed of 254.76 mph in a 1988 test. https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/images/news-article/2021/05/1321175962cc7352ca5f7ae96a44b0d3/1988_chevrolet_corvette_1620406991697e5f309sledgehammer-lead-photo-scaled.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8dI-47Z2hI View Quote looks like a Trans Am LOL |
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Quoted: I presented both A. J., his son Larry, and his office manager, Becky, with Aerotech models last fall. Visited with him a while, and he's still sharp as a tack. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183309/Aerotech_Larry_AJ1-2434616.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183309/aerotech_aj2-2434617.jpg And he graciously signed more of my collection https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183309/aerotech_aj1-2434619.jpg View Quote Which one is "Becky" ??? |
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